Value of: ROR to the Leafs at the deadline.
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The overrating of Knies by both leafs fans and blues fans is becoming comical. He is a fine prospect. Likely to be a good middle 6 winger, might even be able to help this season. Since he plays on a line with blues top prospect folks connect the dots. I get it. I did that too. But he isn’t likely 2nd coming of jarome iginla. And he isn’t only way to make a ROR deal work with leafs.
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PocketNines
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According to numerous Leaf fans in this thread, ROR is too broken down by injury to benefit from an unexpected midseason recovery break.
But there's no trouble understanding the same concept for Matthews ...
Credit to @LEAFANFORLIFE23 who has been consistent about both.
But there's no trouble understanding the same concept for Matthews ...
Credit to @LEAFANFORLIFE23 who has been consistent about both.
Namikaze Minato
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Almost like one has over 1000 career regular season and playoff games while being in his thirties and the other has less than 500 career regular season and playoff games and is in his mid twenties. Of course the younger guy is expected to recover better.
PocketNines
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You know it's a broken foot which is pretty insignificant compared to other spots and you know ROR has been pretty healthy over his career though, right? ROR has missed 16 games in the 5 years before this year whereas Matthews has missed 59 games over those 5 years. But sure, ROR's body is broken down. I'm just pointing out how speedily you all got the concept with Matthews in the context where ROR's injury history has been used in bad faith to spit at his value.
TheGroceryStick
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Ain't wrong. He's more likely to be a Tyler Biggs than Todd Bertuzzi (just truthful) ..but we lack a big power forward type, and thus here we are.
Martin Skoula
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Biggs was under PPG in the OHL in his D+2 and capped out as mid level ECHL player lol. Knies current NCAA season is already significantly more impressive than Biggs has ever done in his entire career, let alone as a prospect.
Spargon
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Admittedly haven't read the whole thread so many a couple people are overeating him but for most Leafs fans the aversion to trading knives isn't because he is viewed as some future superstar worth a kings ransom. It is because his play style and position are exactly what the Leafs are missing in their current lineup (physical 2LW) and being on an ELC it would be completely dumb asset management to trade him for something that isn't in that mold.
It's like I've said if Toronto acquired ROR today I wouldn't care if he played a single regular season for us, it would be preferred obviously because you want him to build chemistry with the team.
But ROR would be STRICTLY a playoff addition, he would be there to shut down, Point, or Bergeron, or Crosby or whoever it is that's it, that would be his job
That's it the regular season does not matter just be ready by game 1.
Gary Nylund
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I don't see that as a factor. If the Leafs want to move on from him, they'd do it even if he had multiple years left on his contract (like they did with Babcock).
These theories not only assume that Dubas would be willing to put his own interests ahead of what's good for the team, they also assume that the decision makers around the league are so stupid that they wouldn't see right though it and thus, there would be no negative impact on his future prospects. Another assumption is that Dubas lacks integrity in this regard and IMHO, none of these assumptions are valid.
No he's not, just the fact that he looks like he's going to make it makes him closer to Bertuzzi than Biggs, Biggs was a bad pick from day 1 and we all knew it.
Biggs never had a shot.
TheGroceryStick
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I seriously hope so. I'm just not quick to overrate now - These powerforwards are a crap shoot, no matter how they look in Jr. /College. Not slaggin on em really...trying to stay realistic.
PocketNines
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I totally understand this about Knies and the Leafs which is why I've been discouraging Blues fans from fixating on him.
Leafs IMO need both ROR and Knies. I don't believe ROR is washed up, I think he hit a little dip and it was wildly exacerbated by an absymal team around him, a team that without him just fell behind Chicago 3-0, Buffalo 4-0 and lost both games and then lost to Arizona 5-0 last night.
AllDay28
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If ROR comes to Toronto, Timmies better start paying higher insurance premiums on their buildings.
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Namikaze Minato
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I appreciate the fact that you aren't obsessed with Knies and you realize there is more than one way to skin this cat
PocketNines
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It's hard to say what will happen when you're delirious from experiencing a Cup win, ask Tampa and Boston fans, they know
Well by the time the deadline comes about 80% of his cap hit is paid, then there is retention with the possibility of double retention.
Plus you can send back money.
You have been here since 2017, you should know this.
Plus there is the possibility of double retention
You are playing detective on me I see , was a simple question because Toronto is up against the cap and I’m not a leaf Fan I’m a Sabres and Canucks fan so I’m not familiar with Toronto’s assets , prospects or team that well outside of the main players .
So was curious , O’Reilly would be a great pickup , I hope it happens
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