Value of: ROR to the Leafs at the deadline.

[Habs Halifax]

Sorry but a foot injury that will be long healed by game 1 and a back injury are not the same

This is true but how would you know how the foot heals? You hope it heals 100% by playoffs. I had a broken foot in my 30's. I was not 100% until 1+ year later. In about 2 months, I felt like I was more like 80% or 90%. Doesn't mean ROR will go through the same and I do recall him finishing the game so how bad was the facture? Maybe it was minor. Weber was able to play through foot pain in his playoff run so maybe ROR can as well.

You just hope that if you trade the assets it takes to get him, that you get the ROR we have come to know. I do wish you guys luck. Habs not in the playoffs so I will be cheering for the Leafs, Oilers, Jets, Flames.

 

[Budz]

ROR = round peg / oval hole.

Kinda close, but not right.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

ROR = round peg / oval hole.

Kinda close, but not right.

He'd be a perfect fit.

 

[Pebble live]

He'd be a perfect fit.

So without even considering the cost, he'd be the perfect fit?

Remember when the leafs traded for Foligno because he seemed like the right fit, and it became clear he wasn't 100% when he got to Toronto and played a few games?

Yeah Dubas can't afford to be burned like that again.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

This is true but how would you know how the foot heals? You hope it heals 100% by playoffs. I had a broken foot in my 30's. I was not 100% until 1+ year later. In about 2 months, I felt like I was more like 80% or 90%. Doesn't mean ROR will go through the same and I do recall him finishing the game so how bad was the facture? Maybe it was minor. Weber was able to play through foot pain in his playoff run so maybe ROR can as well.

You just hope that if you trade the assets it takes to get him, that you get the ROR we have come to know. I do wish you guys luck. Habs not in the playoffs so I will be cheering for the Leafs, Oilers, Jets, Flames.

As someone that's had spinal surgery I'd rather break my foot 10 times then EVER go through spinal surgery again.

No thank you f*** that.

Break my foot 15 times over doing that again

 

[Habs Halifax]

As someone that's had spinal surgery I'd rather break my foot 10 times then EVER go through spinal surgery again.

No thank you f*** that.

Break my foot 15 times over doing that again

How many min/game does ROR get on the Leafs playing 3C? I'm curious. Plays 2nd PP and lots of PK?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

So without even considering the cost, he'd be the perfect fit?

Remember when the leafs traded for Foligno because he seemed like the right fit, and it became clear he wasn't 100% when he got to Toronto and played a few games?

Yeah Dubas can't afford to be burned like that again.

As I just said above a foot injury and a back injury are not the same.

I've had spinal surgery, please break my foot 15 times before ever doing that again.

No thank you f*** that.

 

[Kelly]

Count me on team ROR as well, he'd be the perfect fit assuming he comes back from his injury ready to go. He could be 3C, or move up to 2C and push JT to the wing when we're looking for an offensive push. Gives us 3 really good lines, something we've lacked since losing Bozak and JVR. It's a matchup nightmare. He'd beef up our PK, he's a monster in the dot, and just has the playoff killer mentality that we've lacked in recent years. He checks off a LOT of boxes for us imo.

Though, Knies is also a perfect fit for us, and I really hope Dubas does everything in his power to retain him and maybe give him some games at the end of the year, and if he plays well enough, in the playoffs.

Conditional '23 1st, something like if the Leafs win two rounds, it's '23, if not, then the next year top 15 protected. Then one of Minten/Robertson whomever Blues choose, and some salary going the other way. Kerfoot or whoever.

Basically 2 1sts -- I feel that's good value for ROR.

If Army is hellbent on Knies, I really hope Dubas just walks away. We're likely facing Tampa and Boston in the first two rounds... Would colossally suck to lose Knies then get smacked early, and having ROR overprice himself and walk.

Just my 0.2¢

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

How many min/game does ROR get on the Leafs playing 3C? I'm curious. Plays 2nd PP and lots of PK?

17-18 minutes I'd say, that factors in top PK minutes because you have to think he'd be on the top PK with Marner

 

[Habs Halifax]

17-18 minutes I'd say, that factors in top PK minutes because you have to think he'd be on the top PK with Marner

He was at 18:26 with the Blues this year before injury. 19:29 over the last 3 seasons.

I guess it will vary game/game depending on how many PP and PK's their are. 16-18 range is where I would peg it at. He won't get top 6 min at 5/5. The extra time comes from the 2nd PP and PK I would imagine.

Nylander is getting 17:56 so far this season (for example).

 

[PocketNines]

Count me on team ROR as well, he'd be the perfect fit assuming he comes back from his injury ready to go. He could be 3C, or move up to 2C and push JT to the wing when we're looking for an offensive push. Gives us 3 really good lines, something we've lacked since losing Bozak and JVR. It's a matchup nightmare. He'd beef up our PK, he's a monster in the dot, and just has the playoff killer mentality that we've lacked in recent years. He checks off a LOT of boxes for us imo.

Though, Knies is also a perfect fit for us, and I really hope Dubas does everything in his power to retain him and maybe give him some games at the end of the year, and if he plays well enough, in the playoffs.

Conditional '23 1st, something like if the Leafs win two rounds, it's '23, if not, then the next year top 15 protected. Then one of Minten/Robertson whomever Blues choose, and some salary going the other way. Kerfoot or whoever.

Basically 2 1sts -- I feel that's good value for ROR.

If Army is hellbent on Knies, I really hope Dubas just walks away. We're likely facing Tampa and Boston in the first two rounds... Would colossally suck to lose Knies then get smacked early, and having ROR overprice himself and walk.

Just my 0.2¢

There is not one single Blues fan who will or should accept Minten or Robertson being pitched as worth a first rounder, and we also would refuse the condition you're putting on the 2023 first that it be no earlier than the 29th pick.

 

[PocketNines]

He was at 18:26 with the Blues this year before injury. 19:29 over the last 3 seasons.

I guess it will vary game/game depending on how many PP and PK's their are. 16-18 range is where I would peg it at. He won't get top 6 min at 5/5. The extra time comes from the 2nd PP and PK I would imagine.

Nylander is getting 17:56 so far this season (for example).

Just FYI, whoever trades for ROR isn't going to play him 16 minutes a night ...

For a reality check here, these are how many minutes he has played on average his last five playoff trips:

22:21
21:00
23:17
21:07
21:24

The 3C talk is divorced from NHL reality; he is going to get a ton of playoff minutes from whomever acquires him ...

 

[Kelly]

There is not one single Blues fan who will or should accept Minten or Robertson being pitched as worth a first rounder, and we also would refuse the condition you're putting on the 2023 first that it be no earlier than the 29th pick.

I don't know why I thought Minten was a recent 1st rounder, that's my bad. I'd be open to adding a '24 2nd..

I'd be weary going any higher and dropping the conditions based on RORs season and him coming off a broken foot. It's definitely a risk for the Leafs, would hate to see the Foligno situation all over again.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Just FYI, whoever trades for ROR isn't going to play him 16 minutes a night ...

For a reality check here, these are how many minutes he has played on average his last five playoff trips:

22:21
21:00
23:17
21:07
21:24

The 3C talk is divorced from NHL reality; he is going to get a ton of playoff minutes from whomever acquires him ...

Kind of what was on my mind but I'm trying to be neutral here. I have no invested interest on this one. I'm just curious to see how ROR fits in that 3C role. He may not even like it.

Some other fan said recently that ROR does not want to leave the Blues? Is this true?

 

[PocketNines]

I don't know why I thought Minten was a recent 1st rounder, that's my bad. I'd be open to adding a '24 2nd..

I'd be weary going any higher and dropping the conditions based on RORs season and him coming off a broken foot. It's definitely a risk for the Leafs, would hate to see the Foligno situation all over again.

You played Nick Foligno 14 minutes a night after you acquired him and ROR hasn't played under 21 minutes a night in the playoffs since his rookie season when he played 17 minutes a night.

 

[PocketNines]

Kind of what was on my mind but I'm trying to be neutral here. I have no invested interest on this one. I'm just curious to see how ROR fits in that 3C role. He may not even like it.

Some other fan said recently that ROR does not want to leave the Blues? Is this true?

You get ROR to hard match him against the opponent's scariest offensive player.

There is a piece this week in the Athletic following up on the October report that January was when he and his agent would be discussing an extension. Reading his quotes this morning it's all the "right things" but he is very focused on getting a contract reflects what he's worth and he thinks he's still worth plenty despite the team having a down year and him having a rough start. I'd be very surprised if he extends.

 

[The Hockey Tonk Man]

I don't know why I thought Minten was a recent 1st rounder, that's my bad. I'd be open to adding a '24 2nd..

I'd be weary going any higher and dropping the conditions based on RORs season and him coming off a broken foot. It's definitely a risk for the Leafs, would hate to see the Foligno situation all over again.

If you want to make a big splash at the deadline, get ready to pony up.

Blues would have a lot of way better offers than what you brewed up.

 

[Habs Halifax]

You get ROR to hard match him against the opponent's scariest offensive player.

There is a piece this week in the Athletic following up on the October report that January was when he and his agent would be discussing an extension. Reading his quotes this morning it's all the "right things" but he is very focused on getting a contract reflects what he's worth and he thinks he's still worth plenty despite the team having a down year and him having a rough start. I'd be very surprised if he extends.

How close is ROR today to who he was when he was lets say age 28/29? What would be the reasons why he was not having a good season prior to the broken foot? Don't' shoot the messenger... just asking questions.

Seems logical the Blues will sell. If he is after fair market value as a UFA, Blues will not bite. If he is willing to do value contract, maybe they do. That's fair

 

[PocketNines]

How close is ROR today to who he was when he was lets say age 28/29? What would be the reasons why he was not having a good season prior to the broken foot? Don't' shoot the messenger... just asking questions.

I think 7 goals, 5 assists in 12 games while shutting down MacKinnon and playing over 21 minutes a night last May was an elite performance. Playoffs are a different type of hockey than the regular season and after watching hockey for nearly five decades this is one of the most impressive postseason players I have ever seen.

In the earlier pages of this thread there have been discussed a lot of reasons why ROR has had such a rough +/- to start the year. But if anyone caught the Chicago and Buffalo games the Blues just hosted they can see the Blues are wretched this year far beyond ROR and there are many factors. ROR's +/- is tied to the awfulness of the team. He has no help. Robert Thomas is still looking up what defense is. The Blues don't have a single defenseman who can reliably clear the zone. Commonly, easy zone clears are kept in for extended forechecks. I haven't spent a lot of time trying to unpack all these reasons because I'm confident that the pro scouts can distinguish what's in ROR's control and what's outside of it.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I think 7 goals, 5 assists in 12 games while shutting down MacKinnon and playing over 21 minutes a night last May was an elite performance. Playoffs are a different type of hockey than the regular season and after watching hockey for nearly five decades this is one of the most impressive postseason players I have ever seen.

In the earlier pages of this thread there have been discussed a lot of reasons why ROR has had such a rough +/- to start the year. But if anyone caught the Chicago and Buffalo games the Blues just hosted they can see the Blues are wretched this year far beyond ROR and there are many factors. ROR's +/- is tied to the awfulness of the team. He has no help. Robert Thomas is still looking up what defense is. The Blues don't have a single defenseman who can reliably clear the zone. Commonly, easy zone clears are kept in for extended forechecks. I haven't spent a lot of time trying to unpack all these reasons because I'm confident that the pro scouts can distinguish what's in ROR's control and what's outside of it.

I hope both the Blues and whoever you trade him to are both happy. I dislike high prices and poor performance of vice versa.

Lets remember, there is a roller coaster effect here where your team is a buyer some years and sellers others years. Fans need to consider both sides of the fence cause we will be on both sides at different times.

 

[Kelly]

You played Nick Foligno 14 minutes a night after you acquired him and ROR hasn't played under 21 minutes a night in the playoffs since his rookie season when he played 17 minutes a night.

and? Look at the distribution of ice time for the Leafs... Doubtful he'd be 2nd in forwards for ice time.

Guessing he's be around where Tavares is, 17-18... Maybe a little lower in ES minutes, but the PK time would push him above. Somewhere around 18-19.

If you want to make a big splash at the deadline, get ready to pony up.

Blues would have a lot of way better offers than what you brewed up.

A 1st, and basically two 2nds for a UFA, coming off injury?

I don't think it's far off at all, and if they do, then good on 'em, take those.

 

[PocketNines]

I hope both the Blues and whoever you trade him to are both happy. I dislike high prices and poor performance of vice versa.

Lets remember, there is a roller coaster effect here where your team is a buyer some years and sellers others years. Fans need to consider both sides of the fence cause we will be on both sides at different times.

Considering I've made a few posts urging Blues fans to see Knies from a Leafs point of view, this is exactly what I'm doing.

Is the suggestion that by asking for a 1st +, we Blues fans aren't considering Leafs perspective?

 

[PocketNines]

and? Look at the distribution of ice time for the Leafs... Doubtful he'd be 2nd in forwards for ice time.

Guessing he's be around where Tavares is, 17-18... Maybe a little lower in ES minutes, but the PK time would push him above. Somewhere around 18-19.

And? You were the one who said you didn't want to see the Nick Foligno situation all over again. Foligno arrived and played 14 min a night for you. Foligno pretty obviously wasn't hard matched against the opponent's top threat, so the expressed fear about them winding up in the same is more fear and less reality. The opponent's top threat will get plenty of minutes and ROR's minutes will mirror those.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

All this speculation will be for nothing if ROR can't be resigned by the Leafs. There are other players who may not be as good but can be extended.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

All this speculation will be for nothing if ROR can't be resigned by the Leafs. There are other players who may not be as good but can be extended.

I don't care if he's extended It's about winning now.