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Value of: ROR to the Leafs at the deadline.

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Memento said:
Well, as a Blues fan, I'd be satisfied with a first, Fraser Minten, and Kerfoot (for salary purposes) for O'Reilly. I know y'all aren't going to trade us Knies, as much as I'd love that to happen. But the first and a decent prospect is non-negotiable.
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Id just like to circle around and say that I think this is a fair ask, its just slightly more than I would be willing to pay.
 
Memento said:
Well, as a Blues fan, I'd be satisfied with a first, Fraser Minten, and Kerfoot (for salary purposes) for O'Reilly. I know y'all aren't going to trade us Knies, as much as I'd love that to happen. But the first and a decent prospect is non-negotiable.
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I think we know that, just not Knies
 
LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
I think we know that, just not Knies
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I think the main issue in regards to prospect assessment is that there are reasons to not be thrilled about 3-5 of your top prospects when it comes to trying to fit pieces into the mould in the future. I could be wrong and correct me if I am but here is more or less how I see the Leafs pool.

1. Knies - obviously most attractive, however due to positional need etc very realistic to see why he wouldn’t be moved. Probably a 2nd/3rd line scorer with a bit of grit to the game.

2. Robertson - undersized player who’s probably ready now, good shooter and plays hard. Issue he hasn’t stayed healthy at all throughout his career. Could very easily be above Knies if his injury concerns weren’t consistently repeated and a serious red flag.

3. Niemela - undersized d man. Probably a safe bet to play in the NHL. However, I don’t necessarily love smaller d men that aren’t elite skaters. Probably tops out as a bottom pairing guy. Wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. But not too attractive with our current d contracts and needing to draft and develop a top 4 guy in the near future.

4. Minten - seems to have a ceiling as a 3rd line center who is a 200 ft player. If there is a real unwillingness to not move Knies. This would be my preferred target.

5. Hirovenen - small center, don’t know much about his game. But I don’t know many small centers that stick long in the NHL and I would prefer to avoid without seeing him on NA ice.

Of those 3 personally I wouldn’t really be thrilled about Robertson, Niemela or Hiroven. I think these 5 are the only ones at this moment you can say have a good chance to make the NHL. Personally would prefer Minten and be completely happy with Minten and a 1st as the main pieces of a deal.

I could be completely wrong in regards to what these players are and I accept that. However, from reading reports etc, this seems to be a fair assessment in my mind.
 
BleedBlue14 said:
I think the main issue in regards to prospect assessment is that there are reasons to not be thrilled about 3-5 of your top prospects when it comes to trying to fit pieces into the mould in the future. I could be wrong and correct me if I am but here is more or less how I see the Leafs pool.

1. Knies - obviously most attractive, however due to positional need etc very realistic to see why he wouldn’t be moved. Probably a 2nd/3rd line scorer with a bit of grit to the game.

2. Robertson - undersized player who’s probably ready now, good shooter and plays hard. Issue he hasn’t stayed healthy at all throughout his career. Could very easily be above Knies if his injury concerns weren’t consistently repeated and a serious red flag.

3. Niemela - undersized d man. Probably a safe bet to play in the NHL. However, I don’t necessarily love smaller d men that aren’t elite skaters. Probably tops out as a bottom pairing guy. Wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. But not too attractive with our current d contracts and needing to draft and develop a top 4 guy in the near future.

4. Minten - seems to have a ceiling as a 3rd line center who is a 200 ft player. If there is a real unwillingness to not move Knies. This would be my preferred target.

5. Hirovenen - small center, don’t know much about his game. But I don’t know many small centers that stick long in the NHL and I would prefer to avoid without seeing him on NA ice.

Of those 3 personally I wouldn’t really be thrilled about Robertson, Niemela or Hiroven. I think these 5 are the only ones at this moment you can say have a good chance to make the NHL. Personally would prefer Minten and be completely happy with Minten and a 1st as the main pieces of a deal.

I could be completely wrong in regards to what these players are and I accept that. However, from reading reports etc, this seems to be a fair assessment in my mind.
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I'd probably swap Robertson and Niemela
 
Beauterham said:
I don't... understand?

Blues fan here... no interest in Robertson and pick 60 for ROR.
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Oh sorry stop overrating ROR lol
He’s worth what Giordano cost IMO
2 seconds roughly and a ok prospect
Copp deal last year is a comparable
 
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PocketNines said:
Projecting a negative emotion onto someone you say to them they have so that it can become part of the subject of the conversation. Are you really going to play dumb, everyone knows what that is when people do it. Kids do it
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You said this
PocketNines said:
In STL the only issue was parade insurance for 500K people at an event
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I replied with a joke about your alumni at the parade
Namikaze Minato said:
Pretty sure the alumni were responsible for more damage than that alone.
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You somehow took offence to this and replied with "a dig" at our cup drought.
PocketNines said:
It's hard to say what will happen when you're delirious from experiencing a Cup win, ask Tampa and Boston fans, they know
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Yet i attached a negative emotion onto it?

I'll just stop engaging with you now.
 
Even if he's not played as well as he should this year in addition to being injured, I think he will fetch a good return. His defense, faceoff ability and playoff record will be attractive to a lot of teams.
 
Memento said:
Well, as a Blues fan, I'd be satisfied with a first, Fraser Minten, and Kerfoot (for salary purposes) for O'Reilly. I know y'all aren't going to trade us Knies, as much as I'd love that to happen. But the first and a decent prospect is non-negotiable.
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Way too much for a rental having a bad year. I'd pay this for a F with term
 
BlueBaron said:
Last night Morgan played with Liligren. Worked out ok. Would I upgrade Holl or add a Schenn type? If the price works sure. The two things aren't mutually exclusive.
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So if that’s the case, Sandin will probably be part of a package to acquire a top 9 player with some grit who can hopefully score and PK.

Mike Liut said:
ROR and Barbashev for a 2023 1st and a 2024 1st?
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Isn’t Barbashev an expiring?
 
Shanwhatplan said:
So if that’s the case, Sandin will probably be part of a package to acquire a top 9 player with some grit who can hopefully score and PK.


Isn’t Barbashev an expiring?
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Yeah, both are. A 1st is a little light for ROR and a 1st is a little much for Barbs. They balance out. Adding ROR and Barbs to the Leafs is a huge upgrade. Adding lots of D and toughness.
 
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Vitto79 said:
Oh sorry stop overrating ROR lol
He’s worth what Giordano cost IMO
2 seconds roughly
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That’s great. I’d venture to guess you wouldn’t get ROR then.

LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
That would make Barbashev worth a 1st he's not.
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He’s borderline in that area. All situations all positions forward with grit to his game. Not a 60 point forward. But certainly a .5-.6 PPG player.

With this market, he’s probably not worth a first.
 
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