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Value of: ROR to the Leafs at the deadline.

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BlueTacos said:
You are a donkey bro. The fact that he went from being a beast. Shutting down Aves top d last year to having an off year this year and you calling him a shell is absolutely a donkey of a statement. You sir need to learn more about hockey.
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So because he did it last year, it's automatically linear connection for you that he is a lock to do it again this year? You're calling me a donkey but you have no clue how a players skills decline with injury and age? The fall off is not usually gradual, it's sudden and its ugly. Gretzky scored 92 goals in 1982, so because he did it once, its a lock he will do it this year... QUICK SIGN WAYNE!!!! Age and physical condition matter.

I wont even look it up, I'll assume you're not full of s#it and he was a stud vs Colorado (team they lost against BTW, what a great leader), so because he was a beast last year, that means as another poster suggested he is worth a 1st rounder, a good prospect and a very good 2nd/3rd line tweener? Right and I need to learn more about hockey?

We tried old beaten up past their due date "leaders" before and that blew up in our face. Thanks but hard pass on Grandpa Ryan.

BlueBaron said:
I think your wrong. If he plays a "too risky game" why is he among the best defensive numbers in the league? Just lucky I guess.
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You have a lot of opinions but not seeing a lot of facts. :D (see what I did there?)

Play Sandin vs top lines, even 2nd lines and lets see where his metrics fall.

Numbers don't lie but with out context they do mislead.
 
Mike Liut said:
I take it you missed last years playoffs? ROR was a beast
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I know right? I particularly liked him in the Stanley Cup finals against Tampa... oh.. oopsie, beast mode wasn't beastie enough to make it that far...

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Hellcat said:
You have a lot of opinions but not seeing a lot of facts. :D (see what I did there?)

Play Sandin vs top lines, even 2nd lines and lets see where his metrics fall.

Numbers don't lie but with out context they do mislead.
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I saw his and Liligrens on a podcast last weak which demonstrated their great seasons. Perhaps you can find the numbers and show me I'm wrong. I'm always happy to learn.
 
thusk said:
Kerfoot, engval, nylander played at center too but i dont consider anyone of those player as a C. Playing at c doesn't make him a good C, at best an option is someone is injured and you domt have a lot of option for thats it
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I don’t think you understand - Barbashev is a true center that can play the wings, not a winger that can play center. It’s semantics, but he was brought up as a center but has played both center and wing in the NHL.
 
tfriede2 said:
I don’t think you understand - Barbashev is a true center that can play the wings, not a winger that can play center. It’s semantics, but he was brought up as a center but has played both center and wing in the NHL.
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If he was a true center, he would be one today at age 27. He's a winger who can play center (if needed). Not the other way around.
 
BlueBaron said:
You have a lot of opinions but not seeing a lot of facts.


I think your wrong. If he plays a "too risky game" why is he among the best defensive numbers in the league? Just lucky I guess.
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When have small slow offensive d men had success in the playoffs? It doesn't work.

Any team can use a guy like ROR. The leafs lack depth after their big 4 up front and a shut down center.... Plus someone that's been there. Is none of this factual or you just don't want it to be because it doesn't suit the narrative you'd like push?

Habs Halifax said:
If he was a true center, he would be one today at age 27. He's a winger who can play center (if needed). Not the other way around.
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If he was on the Habs he'd be playing center that's for sure.
 
Habs Halifax said:
If he was a true center, he would be one today at age 27. He's a winger who can play center (if needed). Not the other way around.
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So the Blues should play Barbashev at center over one if ROR, Thomas, or Schenn? Interesting take.
 
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bert said:
If he was on the Habs he'd be playing center that's for sure.
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Right now today yes. But when we got Suzuki, Dach, Monahan, Dvorak? NO. He's not very good on faceoffs and gets a lot of offensive zone starts.

He's a good winger who can play center if needed. Not the other way around. I stand firm.
 
Habs Halifax said:
If he was a true center, he would be one today at age 27. He's a winger who can play center (if needed). Not the other way around.
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So then is Brayden Schenn a winger or a center? He plays both for St Louis as does Barbie... I think it is a matter of matchups and Berube liking two good faceoff guys in his own zone defensively.
 
tfriede2 said:
I don’t think you understand - Barbashev is a true center that can play the wings, not a winger that can play center. It’s semantics, but he was brought up as a center but has played both center and wing in the NHL.
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And kerfoot is a real c playing who played both of center and wing... but he still closer of a wing than a real center at NHL level... same with barbashev
 
Habs Halifax said:
Both of them to me are wingers who can play center. There are a lot of these types in the NHL.
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So...using your logic... Tiger Williams was really a penalty box rather than a hockey player since he spent 300 minutes a season in there....If you a bunch of centers, then you can interchange them on your wings. It isn't that hard to understand. He is a natural center and a very good two-way 200ft one at that.
 
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PerryTurnbullfan said:
So...using your logic... Tiger Williams was really a penalty box rather than a hockey player since he spent 300 minutes a season in there....If you a bunch of centers, then you can interchange them on your wings. It isn't that hard to understand. He is a natural center and a very good two-way 200ft one at that.
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He's not a natural center IMO. Sorry that I don't agree with you. I understand it well. Now you can proceed to disagree with belittle narrative if you wish.
 
bert said:
When have small slow offensive d men had success in the playoffs? It doesn't work.

Any team can use a guy like ROR. The leafs lack depth after their big 4 up front and a shut down center.... Plus someone that's been there. Is none of this factual or you just don't want it to be because it doesn't suit the narrative you'd like push?
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You seem angry. I don't have a narrative. I have an opinion based on the information I've received. I don't have hostility to people with other opinions but I do need facts to have reason to change mine. All I've got from you is you have a height bias. I'm sure no 5' 10 defenseman have ever won the Cup. That was a valuable insight.
 
Habs Halifax said:
He's not a natural center IMO. Sorry that I don't agree with you. I understand it well. Now you can proceed to disagree with belittle narrative if you wish.
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As do I. I have watched hockey since the 70s. I remember when Barbashev was drafted and centered Dmitri Jaskin to a high scoring season in the Q. (Edit: I checked and it was only one season they played together in the Q as Jaskin moved up after one season) I've seen enough games of Barbashev to know very well. Not belittling you, but I'm sure you could use a 60 point center even if it is for one season. It just worked with Tarasenko and Buch.
 
thusk said:
Kerfoot, engval, nylander played at center too but i dont consider anyone of those player as a C. Playing at c doesn't make him a good C, at best an option is someone is injured and you domt have a lot of option for thats it
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He has drafted a center has always played center is labeled a center in every hockey database. You are completely wrong. . Thanks for playing the I have no clue what I'm talking about game. You Lose lol
 
Again, it goes back to what I said last week, St. Louis and Toronto are not good trade partners.
You drop ROR and Barbie on that Leafs team and that looks like a team that could compete for a cup. However in that scenario that is going to cost Toronto their 1st in 2023 and Knies, which Toronto is unwilling to do.

So you move on to the next trade partner.
 
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BlueBaron said:
I saw his and Liligrens on a podcast last weak which demonstrated their great seasons. Perhaps you can find the numbers and show me I'm wrong. I'm always happy to learn.
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but ... but ... but ... didn't you say his defensive stats put Sandin in the top of the league? Stats that you don't have? Weren't you just calling out another poster for stating their opinion but not having any facts to back it up? So to sum it up, you want people to back up their opinions with facts but when you are asked to back up your opinions with stats, you don't need to back up your opinion with facts?
 
Habs Halifax said:
If he was a true center, he would be one today at age 27. He's a winger who can play center (if needed). Not the other way around.
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He's a swiss army knife that gives a playoff team lots of flexibility where to slot him up front ... versatility is a good thing and yes he is a fine center. I don't understand this semantic debate since the takeaway is that he's more-than because of this, not less-than
 
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Hellcat said:
but ... but ... but ... didn't you say his defensive stats put Sandin in the top of the league? Stats that you don't have? Weren't you just calling out another poster for stating their opinion but not having any facts to back it up? So to sum it up, you want people to back up their opinions with facts but when you are asked to back up your opinions with stats, you don't need to back up your opinion with facts?
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Lol. Ok. So we both have opinions and only I have to prove them. I asked because I don't know where to find them and I'm at work. If you don't want to then we'll have to assume neither of us know what we are talking about.
 
BlueBaron said:
You seem angry. I don't have a narrative. I have an opinion based on the information I've received. I don't have hostility to people with other opinions but I do need facts to have reason to change mine. All I've got from you is you have a height bias. I'm sure no 5' 10 defenseman have ever won the Cup. That was a valuable insight.
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BlueTacos said:
He has drafted a center has always played center is labeled a center in every hockey database. You are completely wrong. . Thanks for playing the I have no clue what I'm talking about game. You Lose lol
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Like kerfoot he been draft as a c and played a big part of his carreer at c, but still a better winger at NHL level than a C...

Team who was looking to upgrade at C will not look at Barbashev, thats a reality. Just the fact he's one of 10 worst player on faceoff didn't help him as a c
 
Such a silly debate on Barbashev. He centered Buchnevich and Tarasenko quite productively and you can pretty much put him anywhere up front. You absolutely don't want to use him as a shutdown center or have him taking a key faceoff, but what he is is a quality 6th/7th NHL forward who can do what your team needs at the moment require him to do. He blends with linemates very well and perfectly understands the playoff physical forechecking game. Coaches absolutely love swiss army knife players. He is also in his prime and would be an ideal candidate to extend for a contract beginning in the 4s. The Blues themselves may do this.

Every year the GMs are in a race to find the Nick Paul impact addition and Barbashev is a candidate to be that type of player for someone
 
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