Value of: ROR to the Leafs at the deadline.
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I am not arguing that he is a good prospect. My thoughts are that dubas is on the hot seat. It's make or break for him and if Armstrong has several offers for ROR. ARMY will hold his ground to get jimmy snuggeruds line mate. I agree its hard to part with him but it may win you a cup and ror may resign for home team discount.
Honest question if you knew you were getting the cup by the trade would you make it?
You will have the best chance with ror as your 3rd line center or second line center. His defensive play is one of the best in the league.
TheBeastCoast
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Right but we are likely playing Tampa Bay in the first round. We could very well get RoR and still go out to Tampa in the first round and giving up a player like Knies for 20 games of ROR makes no sense. Especially since there is a pretty good chance that Knies would be playing for us down the stretch and into the playoffs. Essentially I really want O'Rielly. If Knies is the piece the deal hangs on then I would just move elsewhere. There should be enough other pieces we have to get the deal across the line. If not then we move somewhere else I guess.
Agreed that doesn't mean Knies is going for a rental unless It's in a package for Meier that might be an exception
BleedBlue14
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Just curious, is that due to you thinking Meier would make more of an impact?
PocketNines
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Toronto has been a likely partner for ROR since the ROR element is what's missing on that roster, but I honestly think Boston is a more likely candidate because Montgomery remembers coaching him last year and knows what he's getting.
My top target has been ROR from the moment the blues started looking like sellers.
I LOVE the ideal of Matthews Tavares ROR and Kampf down the middle, I don't think there would be a better center group in the league than that.
That being said while I could see ROR being a target, ROR is a center they need a top 6 winger and unlike Tarasenko, or ROR, Or Kane Meier is in his 20's he's a sniper and even if they can't keep him you could probably get a top 10 pick for him at the draft.
I think they might be tempted by the idea of
Meier Matthews Marner
Or Meier Tavares Nylander
And if that's true, if I'm right who could blame them? Wouldn't you be?
I want ROR but I don't think he gets Knies.
I think if Knies goes it will be for somebody with term or maybe an exception is made for Meier
No way the Leafs are going to trade Knies (no matter how much I'd want him).
Blues wouldn't trade Snuggerud + a 1st for Tavares is he was an upcoming UFA rental.
We really need to get off the Knies being the center of the deal. It's not going to happen.
Blues wouldn't trade Snuggerud + a 1st for Tavares is he was an upcoming UFA rental.
We really need to get off the Knies being the center of the deal. It's not going to happen.
Menzinger
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And when was the last time ROR had a post season good enough to justify that being part of the equation?
Few players in this league are good enough that a cup would be a near lock with their addition.....
ROR in the 2022 playoffs..
12 points in 12 games. And he shut down natemck cold in the Colorado series
Looks pretty damn good to me
| Age | Pos | GP | G | A | P | PIM | +/‑ | TOI | ES | PP | SH | ESG | PPG | S... | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | David Perron | 33 | F | 12 | 9 | 4 | 13 | 10 | 0 | 19:50 | 16:41 | 3:07 | 0:00 | 5 | 4 | 0 |
| 2 | Ryan O'Reilly | 30 | F | 12 | 7 | 5 | 12 | 2 | 3 | 21:23 | 16:07 | 3:03 | 2:13 | 3 | 4 | 0 |
| 3 | Pavel Buchnevich | 26 | F | 12 | 1 | 10 | 11 | 6 | ‑3 | 18:55 | 14:46 | 2:07 | 2:00 | 0 | 1 | 0 |
12 points in 12 games. And he shut down natemck cold in the Colorado series
Looks pretty damn good to me
ManofSteel55
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*Edmonton Oilers enter the chat.
We need a 3C who can win faceoffs, and help our defensive game and the penalty kill.
We need a 3C who can win faceoffs, and help our defensive game and the penalty kill.
You are correct that Dubas is likely on the hot seat, but trading Knies would seemingly be extremely uncharacteristic for how Dubas operates. This is a GM who held onto Robertson, Sandin & Lilejgren for a very long time, despite not really "needing" them. Knies is a player who fits exactly what this team has needed for years.
He has NHL-ready size, and has a very good chance of being a factor in the playoffs this year.
If the Leafs could guarantee themselves a trip to the finals by trading Matthew Knies, I have little doubt that they do it.
But, there are no guarantees in life; and certainly not hockey. You can't trade a player conditionally... you can trade picks.
In a perfect world, I'd imagine that the Leafs would like the deal to be something along the lines of Robertson + a 2nd that becomes a 1st if they win a round or two + something else smaller. The challenge with that is they don't have a ton of picks to play with, so you don't really want to tie up both the 2024 2nd and 2023 1st in one deal, even if you know you're only giving up one of them.
BleedBlue14
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I find it hard to believe someone would give up a pick in the top 10 of this draft for Meier. Especially considering what is QO is.
Completely understand the reasoning of positional need. But the fact he’s an RFA honestly should hold little value to a lot of teams that have the potential of buying.
I’m not too sure if he’s worth 10m, but I’m fairly certain Toronto couldn’t extend a QO unless they make some drastic roster changes, and making those sorts of changes are extremely difficult until the cap raises a bit more than the projected 1m this off-season.
I think there are certainly a few teams that would be interested at that stage. But with the top 10-15 of this draft I doubt it’s someone that’s looking to draft in that range
There’s nobody that’s a lock. But it’s hard to argue with RORs playoff performance less than a calendar year ago. The main question is how risky is it with his play this season.
If anything I think the injury was a good thing for him for the outlook of the remainder of this season. It let him reset and also gave him time to essentially rest up. He’s played a lot of hockey and a lot of minutes in the games he’s played. Having a couple months off most likely will do wonders for his legs
ManofSteel55
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ManofSteel55
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2023 1st round pick, either Markus Niemelainen or Raphael Lavoie and Jesse Pulujarvi (cap reasons) for ROR with retention.
Need better prospect. No interest in those 2. Or another pick (3rd?) could work. your 1st is likely to be higher than Toronto so there is value there.
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Oh make no mistake Dubas is very likely on the hot seat, nobody will tell you differntly, in fact I'm surprised both he and Keefe are still here after the Montreal series, and in Keefe case, certainly after he spoke about respect in the handshake line, I would have fired him about 3 seconds after he said that, that was mind blowing that he said that.
But Dubas is still here and we know he doesn't give up top prospects for rentals, in fact he hasn't traded a single prospect in 3 years, I suspect that streak is about to end.
But if It's Knies it will be for somebody with term or maybe an exception is made for Meier
Meier i
Meier is the Las thing your team needs. You need two way play. Defensive minded offense men built for the playoffs. You have enough scoring now you need players to match up against teams best lines and shut them down.
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