Value of: ROR to the Leafs at the deadline.

[PocketNines]

Oh so he's already injured and doesn't have an injury history.

Ok, ignore reality and pretend 'a 20 goal pace' is the same thing as 20 goals or that a 20 goal pace center is big game hunting on the trade market.

I've only stated facts, you can't to be glib about reality that's your business.

You stated he was "totally washed up." That's a quote my guy. 20+ goal pace is not totally washed up. It would be his 8th season with 20+ goals so right in line with his traditional scoring.

Now you're moving the goalposts and saying your comment was really about 'big game hunting on the trade market.' But what you said originally according to facts is that ROR was "totally washed up." I quoted your words for you, to be helpful.

You've stated "facts" like is 75% likely to be injured by the playoffs. That's the kind of argument a belligerent teen makes.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

As per Jeremy Rutherford and Jonas Seigel from The Athletic:

When I asked an NHL scout what the Blues might ask for, the response on the condition of anonymity because he’s not permitted to discuss other teams’ rosters was: “First-round pick plus (Matthew) Knies or (Fraser) Minten.”

And that would likely be the end of those talks then lol if they can get that kind of value elsewhere more power to em.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

As per Jeremy Rutherford and Jonas Seigel from The Athletic:

When I asked an NHL scout what the Blues might ask for, the response on the condition of anonymity because he’s not permitted to discuss other teams’ rosters was: “First-round pick plus (Matthew) Knies or (Fraser) Minten.”

If the Leafs can get ROR for that and exclude Knies they should go for it. That’s a solid deal.

 

[BleedBlue14]

I don’t see how ROR breaking his foot while blocking a shot gives him the description of oft-injured as it seems. I also see pretty clearly how some teams may actually take the injury as a slight positive. Guy notorious for playing heavy defensive minutes winning a million d zone draws and playing 20+ a night gets a near 2 month break coming up to deadline to reset and come back rested.

The down year could and probably will surely offer some concern for teams. But if I’m looking to add for this playoff run and have a young core like the Leafs with limited playoff success history, this is a guy I have towards the top of the list only behind Kane.

Someone had posted 1+ Minten or Voit and I’d imagine that’s a probably where the ask would be around. I’m sure there would be some other pieces involved and I wouldn’t be surprised if Robertson or Holmberg were thrown in there as well. Seems to be the general return for a higher end than rental.

There’s one thing I’d be pretty certain of and that’s that Dubas with where he’s at wouldn’t want to see the competition add ROR at a similar price and match them early in the playoffs. I don’t think he can really afford not to make a push for the sake of his future with the organization.

 

[FerrisRox]

And that would likely be the end of those talks then lol if they can get that kind of value elsewhere more power to em.

If I'm the Leafs and I can get ROR for Minten and a 1st, I pull the trigger on that deal.

 

[izzy]

Ah this brings me back to the Parayko to Toronto days

I pray ROR doesnt get traded to Toronto because I really don’t want to be rooting for them based on all this lol

 

[WetcoastOrca]

If I'm the Leafs and I can get ROR for Minten and a 1st, I pull the trigger on that deal.

Absolutely. But you have to think someone tops that offer.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

If I'm the Leafs and I can get ROR for Minten and a 1st, I pull the trigger on that deal.

Fair. Minten and Knies aren't really the same value wise at all. Minten and a 1st I would consider. Knies doesn't go for a rental period in my opinion.

 

[izzy]

Injury prone ROR, who missed 5 games over the last 5 years

 

[Rob Brown]

Absolutely. But you have to think someone tops that offer.

Does ROR have a NTC or NMC? Might just come down to where he wants to go, if so.

I know Dubas is high on Minten, but if they can get ROR for 1st + Minten then I think it's a good gamble, especially if they can add another piece from the Blues (depth D or someone like Barbashev?).

 

[ralphamale14]

You stated he was "totally washed up." That's a quote my guy. 20+ goal pace is not totally washed up. It would be his 8th season with 20+ goals so right in line with his traditional scoring.

Now you're moving the goalposts and saying your comment was really about 'big game hunting on the trade market.' But what you said originally according to facts is that ROR was "totally washed up." I quoted your words for you, to be helpful.

You've stated "facts" like is 75% likely to be injured by the playoffs. That's the kind of argument a belligerent teen makes.

When he's was a Conn Smyth talent and 1A two way player, yes 20 goal pace he's washed.

Stop saying 20 goal scorer, it's pace. Pace =/= Achievement, Nylander is on a 50 goal pace does that make him a 50 goal scorer? No, that would be manipulating the issue, that's what you're doing. So please stop lying, it's embarrassing.

Oh, it's moving the goal posts now to talk about the Leafs trading quality assets for ROR who has lost a step or two in a thread that is about trading for ROR? Nope, another manipulation.

Yes an injury prone top nine forward at this point in his career, he was special, not he's not special, he's pretty garden variety. I don't want the Leafs to waste assets on him like they did Folgino.

Saying he's injury prone and go figure he's currently injured makes me a 'belligerent teen', lol, you're being a bit dramatic, it's great your a fan of ROR, we all like players that are over hill for stuff they did in the past but be reasonable about it.

He can't even crack the Leafs top six today.

I've address the issue, I'm done posting on this, it's getting silly and personal for no good reason.

 

[BlueTacos]

That's not how things work when there are other options available.

I would like O'Reilly, but not at any cost. And it 'feels' like this year has less teams with the assets and willingness to really push at the TDL. If the Leafs really want to go for it, I think trying to get a package of Horvat, Kuzmenko, Schenn, while expensive, would be the right pieces to really balance out the roster.

Does ROR have a NTC or NMC? Might just come down to where he wants to go, if so.

I know Dubas is high on Minten, but if they can get ROR for 1st + Minten then I think it's a good gamble, especially if they can add another piece from the Blues (depth D or someone like Barbashev?).

Barbashev I'm his own right will command 2 2nds so if it's barbashev and ror you want imagine barbashev and ror with retention and needed cap dumps to blues to match money coming back. Would cost 1st 2023 2nd 2024 knies and minten.

That would be a hefty price for taking cap dumps and having retention.

 

[Rob Brown]

Barbashev I'm his own right will command 2 2nds so if it's barbashev and ror you want imagine barbashev and ror with retention and needed cap dumps to blues to match money coming back. Would cost 1st 2023 2nd 2024 knies and minten.

That would be a hefty price for taking cap dumps and having retention.

If ROR is Minten + 1st and Barbashev is two 2nds, why is Knies in there?

I don't think the Leafs will get both, FWIW.

 

[PocketNines]

When he was a Conn Smyth talent and 1A two way player, yes 20 goal pace

Stop saying 20 goal scorer, it's pace. Pace =/= Achievement, Nylander is on a 50 goal pace does that make him a 50 goal scorer? No, that would be manipulating the issue, that's what you're doing. So please stop lying, it's embarrassing.

Oh, it's moving the goal posts now to talk about the Leafs trading quality assets for ROR who has lost a step or two in a thread that is about trading for ROR? Nope, another manipulation.

Yes an injury prone top nine forward at this point in his career, he was special, not he's not special, he's pretty garden variety. I don't want the Leafs to waste assets on him like they did Folgino.

Saying he's injury prone and go figure he's currently injured makes me a 'belligerent teen', lol, you're being a bit dramatic, it's great your a fan of ROR, we all like players that are over hill for stuff they did in the past but be reasonable about it.

He can't even crack the Leafs top six today.

I've address the issue, I'm done posting on this, it's getting silly and personal for no good reason.

I will say 20 goal scorer every last bit that I please, because he is not only on pace for 20+ goals he has scored 20+ goals seven previous times. This is evidence against what you wrote, that he was "totally washed up."

Doubling down by saying you only state facts after the ludicrous "fact" you farted out about him being "75% to be injured by the playoffs" is behavior I associate with belligerent teens. This is how they argue.

Cheers

 

[jjniner]

Can Nylander shut down NateMac in a series?

 

[ralphamale14]

I will say 20 goal scorer every last bit that I please, because he is not only on pace for 20+ goals he has scored 20+ goals seven previous times. This is evidence against what you wrote, that he was "totally washed up."

Doubling down by saying you only state facts after the ludicrous "fact" you farted out about him being "75% to be injured by the playoffs" is behavior I associate with belligerent teens. This is how they argue.

Cheers

You're right my bad, he's 72.4% likely to be injured.

Thanks for fact checking me.

 

[PocketNines]

You're right my bad, he's 72.4% likely to be injured.

Thanks for fact checking me.

No problem my Big Fact Guy.

"I've only stated facts" – you, post 674

 

[TurgPavs]

Barbashev I'm his own right will command 2 2nds so if it's barbashev and ror you want imagine barbashev and ror with retention and needed cap dumps to blues to match money coming back. Would cost 1st 2023 2nd 2024 knies and minten.

That would be a hefty price for taking cap dumps and having retention.

I don't even think Toronto is a solid trade partner with the Blues. Carolina, Pitt, Washington, and to some extent Boston, all have young players or prospects that fit the Blues/Berube style of play.

Knies is the guy that would be attractive, but Toronto doesn't want to move him. Robertson looks like an injury waiting to happen, and no way do you want Niemela, as you already have two undersize defensemen in Peru and Krug that cant stay healthy.

If Army moves ROR it will be for a 1st plus a top prospect, and the only one worth anything is Knies, so you move along. IMO Carolina and the Blues match up the best and Carolina is going to add. Their prospect pool is much deeper then Toronto, and they have been a good trade partner with the Blues in the past.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Wow 20 goal pace, move over Engvall, let's trade Matthews for him.

ROR doens't have injuries issues? Ok, sure, I'm the one making things up.

He missed games last year due to covid and played every game in the 2 shortened seasons. This is his first major injury which happened on a blocked shot to the foot. RoR is not injury prone player.

 

[jjniner]

And he played the last 18 minutes after breaking his foot=warrior

 

[StlBill]

As of late last week he’s no longer in a boot and is getting around like normal (per a PR appearance locally).

 

[ralphamale14]

He missed games last year due to covid and played every game in the 2 shortened seasons. This is his first major injury which happened on a blocked shot to the foot. RoR is not injury prone player.

Lol, ok, he just has a major injury so I'm offside to say he's damaged goods.

'He's not injury prone, he just has a major injury'.... Um ok, Leafs would blow their trade assets on him then...

I wouldn't trust ROR to use a Tim Hortons drive-thru without getting injured let alone center the Leafs 3rd line.

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

Can Nylander shut down NateMac in a series?

no but Engvall and Kampf can shut down Mc Jesus so I think that is a transferable skill.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Lol, ok, he just has a major injury so I'm offside to say he's damaged goods.

'He's not injury prone, he just has a major injury'.... Um ok, Leafs would blow their trade assets on him then...

I wouldn't trust ROR to use a Tim Hortons drive-thru without getting injured let alone center the Leafs 3rd line.

Did i say yall should blow your assets on him in that post? No, no I did not. I was saying that saying he's injury prone from one injury is absurd. You've made yourself very damn clear you don't want him, so what's the point of continuing to respond in the thread?

 

[Ciao]

Just what the Leafs need. Another injured, underperforming over-30 forward.

Whatever he has to offer is not apparent this year. Maybe, like Foligno, on his next contract.

No interest in this "as-is" rental.