Value of: ROR to the Leafs at the deadline.

[peconcan]

Robertson
23 1st
Engvall
Voit or Minten
For ROR 50%retained

 

[Nothingbutglass]

Robertson
23 1st
Engvall
Voit or Minten
For ROR 50%retained

Robertson is out for the year

Blame Dubas

 

[BlueTacos]

Perfect, if hes just a B prospect then we can use a different B prospect and keep him.

He is the best prospect you have. He fits blues system. Whom else do you have worth it to the Blues that fills a need for them.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

He is the best prospect you have. He fits blues system. Whom else do you have worth it to the Blues that fills a need for them.

Thats all great, youre not getting a virtually untouchable prospect for a post-prime, injured centerman who is having the worst statistical season of his career and is an unrestricted free agent after the playoffs.

Blame Dubas

For Knies? Why would Dubas need to be blamed for drafting Knies?

 

[Nothingbutglass]

Thats all great, youre not getting a virtually untouchable prospect for a post-prime, injured centerman who is having the worst statistical season of his career and is an unrestricted free agent after the playoffs.


For Knies? Why would Dubas need to be blamed for drafting Knies?

You said Knies was untouchable. You dont have anyone else Blues would consider for a ROR trade. Thats Dubas no?

 

[Namikaze Minato]

You said Knies was untouchable. You dont have anyone else Blues would consider for a ROR trade. Thats Dubas no?

I didnt say Knies was untouchable, it was reported by Friedman that he was virtually untouchable.

If we have nobody else the blues would even consider for a ROR trade that sounds like an internal problem they should work out before they move anybody.

 

[Nothingbutglass]

I didnt say Knies was untouchable, it was reported by Friedman that he was virtually untouchable.

If we have nobody else the blues would even consider for a ROR trade that sounds like an internal problem they should work out before they move anybody.

or you have no one else worth trading for. they have other teams to trade ROR to. weird post.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

or you have no one else worth trading for. they have other teams to trade ROR to. weird post.

I imagine Dubas and the leafs would disagree. Just because you pretend the leafs have nothing anybody would ever want doesnt make it true.

 

[Nothingbutglass]

I imagine Dubas and the leafs would disagree. Just because you pretend the leafs have nothing anybody would ever want doesnt make it true.

sure. maybe Robertson and a 2nd would work. Blues fan likely laugh

 

[Namikaze Minato]

sure. maybe Robertson and a 2nd would work. Blues fan likely laugh

Thats fun for blues fans for you to make up an offer, pretend its from a toronto fan and then side with blues fans that its bad.

 

[Transplanted Caper]

Robertson
23 1st
Engvall
Voit or Minten
For ROR 50%retained

I hope he bounces back, and he's been the victim of injuries and losing games to COVID, but Robertson has next to no value now. He's just not an interesting or meaningful piece if you're selling on Deadline Day. He JUST had shoulder surgery, so who knows how is recovery will go and has done nothing in the NHL yet to make people look past the injuries.

All that being said, I think a 1st and one of Voit and Minten is probably pretty close, though including the retention may undersell that a bit.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

I hope he bounces back, and he's been the victim of injuries and losing games to COVID, but Robertson has next to no value now. He's just not an interesting or meaningful piece if you're selling on Deadline Day. He JUST had shoulder surgery, so who knows how is recovery will go and has done nothing in the NHL yet to make people look past the injuries.

All that being said, I think a 1st and one of Voit and Minten is probably pretty close, though including the retention may undersell that a bit.

Maybe 1st and minten. No interest in voit.

 

[BlueTacos]

Maybe 1st and minten. No interest in voit.

1st 2023 and minten would be decent value.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

1st 2023 and minten would be decent value.

More than I would like to pay but I can see somebody offering that level of package.

 

[BlueTacos]

More than I would like to pay but I can see somebody offering that level of package.

I'm sure it will be higher than that. Especially since dubas is on last leg.

 

[TheFinalWord]

I'm sure it will be higher than that. Especially since dubas is on last leg.

That's not how things work when there are other options available.

I would like O'Reilly, but not at any cost. And it 'feels' like this year has less teams with the assets and willingness to really push at the TDL. If the Leafs really want to go for it, I think trying to get a package of Horvat, Kuzmenko, Schenn, while expensive, would be the right pieces to really balance out the roster.

 

[ralphamale14]

Robertson
23 1st
Engvall
Voit or Minten
For ROR 50%retained

ROR has 16 points and is coming and he's 75% likely to be injured by the playoffs.

Why not use that package to get a player that isn't totally washed up?

That's not how things work when there are other options available.

I would like O'Reilly, but not at any cost. And it 'feels' like this year has less teams with the assets and willingness to really push at the TDL. If the Leafs really want to go for it, I think trying to get a package of Horvat, Kuzmenko, Schenn, while expensive, would be the right pieces to really balance out the roster.

This x 10

Imagine the Leafs get ROR and Tampa or Boston gets Horvat (a third party retaining to make it fit under the cap). It'd be like empty your prospects and pick for ROR and he'll be the match up Horvat feasts on every game.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Honestly this thread is just good material to eat popcorn to now. Lol

 

[Transplanted Caper]

One thing I do wonder about ROR to Toronto - and I stand by my 1st + Voit or Mitten type as probably within shouting distance of a deal (maybe the Leafs throw in a mid-round pick) - is whether there's a once bitten, twice shy element. Probably the biggest swing and miss of Dubas' career was the Foligno trade. Obviously the situations aren't exactly the same, but an older player/down year/lots of miles is close enough to make me wonder whether the Leafs want a bit more security in any trade where they're using their main moveable asset (the first rounder). Still, I expect ROR does return a 1st, a decent prospect (but not some team's top couple of prospects), and a mid-round pick.

 

[PocketNines]

ROR has 16 points and is coming and he's 75% likely to be injured by the playoffs.

Why not use that package to get a player that isn't totally washed up?


This x 10

Imagine the Leafs get ROR and Tampa or Boston gets Horvat (a third party retaining to make it fit under the cap). It'd be like empty your prospects and pick for ROR and he'll be the match up Horvat feasts on every game.

ROR is scoring at a 20+ goal rate for a season.

"Totally washed up" while using raw points with a player who was saddled with Josh Leivo and cataclysmically awful first month Kyrou. Also declaring the "75% likely to be injured by the playoffs" fully from your ass.

 

[Judas Tavares]

One thing I do wonder about ROR to Toronto - and I stand by my 1st + Voit or Mitten type as probably within shouting distance of a deal (maybe the Leafs throw in a mid-round pick) - is whether there's a once bitten, twice shy element. Probably the biggest swing and miss of Dubas' career was the Foligno trade. Obviously the situations aren't exactly the same, but an older player/down year/lots of miles is close enough to make me wonder whether the Leafs want a bit more security in any trade where they're using their main moveable asset (the first rounder). Still, I expect ROR does return a 1st, a decent prospect (but not some team's top couple of prospects), and a mid-round pick.

I agree. ROR is a nice fit and probably is one of the better fits out there. But age, injuries and a rental who likely won't be extend are all factors here. 1st and Minten to me is already an overpay in this situation and I get that Blues fans would be underwhelmed and other teams probably match and exceed that offer. 1st and Voit is more underwhelming for Blues fans and more palatable for the Leafs, but is still a bit of a bite the bullet/cost of doing business but better hope this works out situation.

With that and the Foligno type experience, I think would the Leafs would more likely target Barbie (life in plastic, he's fantastic!) and Acciari types than ROR or Tank (using the Blues as the example).

They need to go for it, but they also need to consider life with an extended Matthews (who is there to support him in his next stint) or life without Matthews (kickstarting a rebuild in that situation). I don't think the team should go for broke in a situation where the window could be extended by at least another half decade. Something needs to remain in the pipeline. Just kind of the situation they are in.

 

[ralphamale14]

ROR is scoring at a 20+ goal rate for a season.

"Totally washed up" while using raw points with a player who was saddled with Josh Leivo and cataclysmically awful first month Kyrou. Also declaring the "75% likely to be injured by the playoffs" fully from your ass.

Wow 20 goal pace, move over Engvall, let's trade Matthews for him.

ROR doens't have injuries issues? Ok, sure, I'm the one making things up.

 

[PocketNines]

Wow 20 goal pace, move over Engvall, let's trade Matthews for him.

ROR doens't have injuries issues? Ok, sure, I'm the one making things up.

He's currently injured. That's entirely different than "75% likelihood of being injured by the playoffs." Your 75% is straight nonsense.

A player who is scoring more than 20 goals in the NHL is not "totally washed up" which is what you wrote in your post. Also nonsense.

Carry on

 

[ralphamale14]

He's currently injured. That's entirely different than "75% likelihood of being injured by the playoffs." Your 75% is straight nonsense.

A player who is scoring more than 20 goals in the NHL is not "totally washed up" which is what you wrote in your post. Also nonsense.

Carry on

Oh so he's already injured and doesn't have an injury history.

Ok, ignore reality and pretend 'a 20 goal pace' is the same thing as 20 goals or that a 20 goal pace center is big game hunting on the trade market.

I've only stated facts, you can't to be glib about reality that's your business.

 

[Rob Brown]

As per Jeremy Rutherford and Jonas Seigel from The Athletic:

When I asked an NHL scout what the Blues might ask for, the response on the condition of anonymity because he’s not permitted to discuss other teams’ rosters was: “First-round pick plus (Matthew) Knies or (Fraser) Minten.”