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Value of: ROR to the Leafs at the deadline.

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Fogelhund said:
That's the thing... what we have on both the Tavares line, and the Kampf line is working, and there is decent chemistry there... yet you want to disrupt that chemistry, in the hopes that we can break up two lines, and somehow be better.

What you should be seeing when you look at this situation, is going... ok, so it's the ZAR/Holmberg/XXX combo that needs help... maybe you get a better C for that combo, hope that Knies joins the team, and have a Knies/XXX/Holmberg.... At this point, that's your target.... maybe that's a RoR, and Toews, or some other C, and you turn that line into a more potent line, while keeping what is working together.
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So you actually believe It's realistic that Jarnkork continues to play at this level?

I love that he's doing it but he's never done anything close to this before so It's probably not.

As for ROR that's been my #1 target because you can play him at center or wing, he provides versatility

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Who else holds value on the leafs, prospect wise? Also the first is going to happen if O'Reilly is dubas target.
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Other than Knies and our 2023 1st?

Well first of all I'm not convinced the 2023 1st won't be traded but that's already been mentioned

Let's start with 2024 and 2025, don't think that a 2025 1st wouldn't have value either because 2 2025 1sts have already been traded

Then we get 2024 and 2025 2nds.

Then we get to Topi Nemila, Nick Robertson and Fraser Mintenin

Ty Voit is having a great year.

The ONLY piece that seems to be untouchable is Knies
 
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Martin Skoula said:
They have a 2nd and a pair of 3rds until 2025, best of luck landing a top rental.
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I know that I'm arguing to a different point here, but the end result was B2B cups followed by another appearance. Proof that it can work as well - with the right players obviously.
 
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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
So you actually believe It's realistic that Jarnkork continues to play at this level?

I love that he's doing it but he's never done anything close to this before so It's probably not.

As for ROR that's been my #1 target because you can play him at center or wing, he provides versatility
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He's also never had line mates of this caliber. I'm not saying that it's definite, but I wouldn't be surprised if he had a career pace this year.
 
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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
Other than Knies and our 2023 1st?

Well first of all I'm not convinced the 2023 1st won't be traded but that's already been mentioned

Let's start with 2024 and 2025, don't think that a 2025 1st wouldn't have value either because 2 2025 1sts have already been traded

Then we get 2024 and 2025 2nds.

Then we get to Topi Nemila, Nick Robertson and Fraser Mintenin

Ty Voit is having a great year.

The ONLY piece that seems to be untouchable is Knies
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The Blues are absolutely not going to accept a 2025 first as payment for this. Bye to your captain and we'll give you a crack at an 18 year old in 30 months? Not going to happen. Mayyyybe a 2024 1st if the other part of the plus is enticing enough
 
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I know a lot of Stl fans are set on a first (or that one poster who cant stop bringing up Knies like its compulsion) but I genuinely wouldnt want to pay more for ROR than we did for Gio (with Blackwell).

Value of that trade was 2 second round picks and a third round pick.

Of course, I'm not as high on current ROR as others are and I definitely dont see him as the missing piece.
 
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Hockey 4 Life said:
2024 1st + Robertson for ROR 50% retained.
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I seem like the only one on an island by myself. Apparently, you heal in 6-8 weeks all the time from a broken foot with no lingering effects. Many fans think ROR will be 100% come playoffs and have zero effects from his broken foot so they will pay a price regardless of the broken foot or how he was trending before the injury. I guess it's high % that ROR will be the guy from age 25-30 this year at age 32 for the playoffs. Could be true and I am sure he brings it on a contender with more energy

I do see a healthy ROR helping the Leafs with an extra edge up the middle. Hope that plays out for the Leafs if they do pay the price to acquire.

Personally, I hope he plays games before the deadline.
 
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Habs Halifax said:
I seem like the only one on an island by myself. Apparently, you heal in 6-8 weeks all the time from a broken foot with no lingering effects. Many fans think ROR will be 100% come playoffs and have zero effects from his broken foot so they will pay a price regardless of the broken foot or how he was trending before the injury. I guess it's high % that ROR will be the guy from age 25-30 this year at age 32 for the playoffs. Could be true and I am sure he brings it on a contender with more energy

I do see a healthy ROR helping the Leafs with an extra edge up the middle. Hope that plays out for the Leafs if they do pay the price to acquire.

Personally, I hope he plays games before the deadline.
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You're not wrong that he is coming off both a broken foot and a down year, both of those are real. It's honestly just that, his previous level from nine months ago was SO HIGH and so coveted by NHL GMs that they will not be able to convince themselves that he has completely fallen off the cliff. Instead, they will remember the numerous times a great player who was struggling on a struggling team gets moved at the deadline to a contender and it really helps that contender. There exist those examples and that's what the GMs are trying to do versus each other, find the players who will make key differences when the elite are up against the elite. And, ROR has earned the benefit of the doubt because he has certainly proven himself elite versus elite in the playoffs, literally the last one, against the eventual Cup winner. Guys come back from foot injuries like this. It's a concern but it's not inherent to who he is as a player (for example, a knee injury to a player whose asset is speed). Yes, he should return before the deadline and the rest may even give him some jump or a reset. You may personally end up being correct that it will be a wasted 1st+ by whichever team gambles, but if instead the team that gambles finds a fit with ROR they could well extend him. There's a lot of upside to this gamble. The 1st itself is an inherent gamble in the 20s or early 30s. That's why you perceive yourself on an island, because there are certain types of upside-laden gambles that GMs take and this is one of them. As a Blues fan I personally think whichever team gets him will have gotten the prize of the year at the deadline. That may well end up being wrong but I don't think Armstrong is wrong to put the value up there.
 
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BlueTacos said:
First foremost it's gonna be a 2023 1st.
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I'll point out that in the Giroux deal (the reported Armstrong ask) the 3d was in the immediate year and the 1st is delayed. But Philly also got young recent first rounder Tippett who is playing for them on the roster.

I agree that it's more valuable to get one this year.
 
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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
I would LOVE a ROR+Barbashev to Toronto deal but two 3rds isn't getting you Barbashev



I agree but Barbashev would be a VERY smart pick up.
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For Barbashev I'd say a 2d+B prospect might be what gets it in the end but some on our board are starting to hope for a 1st, maybe a delayed & protected 1st? This is the kind of player who could sneakily get a higher price than people expect. Versatility across lines, hard nosed Berube playoff style player, productive, cheap, extendable, in his young vet prime.
 

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Blueston said:
yes, which is why he is gonna cost more. think more like 2 2nds, maybe even a 1st.
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He's not getting a 1st no chance, especially if he's packaged with ROR

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For Barbashev I'd say a 2d+B prospect might be what gets it in the end but some on our board are starting to hope for a 1st, maybe a delayed & protected 1st? This is the kind of player who could sneakily get a higher price than people expect. Versatility across lines, hard nosed Berube playoff style player, productive, cheap, extendable, in his young vet prime.
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I don't think he lands a 1st especially if he's packaged with ROR.

But a 2nd+? sure
 
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