Value of: ROR to the Leafs at the deadline.

[Mike Liut]

Turns 32 in early Feb and has a broken foot. Are teams going to pay a premium for him before the deadline if he doesn't play from now till deadline? I keep being told his broken foot don't matter but I'm not buying it.

ROR has a lot of milage but if he is back at 100%, he should provide value and have a fair amount of gas left. But this has not been a good season for him. He's still valued but definitely not trending well.

I think he’ll be really good this year in the playoffs, but I’m not giving him a multi year deal

If I were the Leafs, I’d ask for ROR and Barbashev for Kneis. Adding those 2 guys would make it hell to play against.

 

[HuGort]

Blues playing better without ROR. If i was Leafs i wouldn't pay high for him. He's had bad year in contract year. Not good sign

 

[exporta]

Don't group wingers with centers. Centers and D will be targeted more and a star like P Kane on wing. Remember, teams are looking for different pieces.

There are going to be about 10 teams who are after improvements and each of those 10 teams are likely to be after 2 moves. Not just one.

It hasn't been a buyers trade deadline market for a while now. The other angle is cap space and teams who have players on an attractive cap hit (even after 50% retention) have leverage. I said this with Chiarot last year... $1.75M after retention and prorated. All teams can fit that in which helps the seller narrative.

 

[BlueTacos]

I think he’ll be really good this year in the playoffs, but I’m not giving him a multi year deal

If I were the Leafs, I’d ask for ROR and Barbashev for Kneis. Adding those 2 guys would make it hell to play against.

Knies first 2023 and 2nd in 2024

 

[Mike Liut]

Blues playing better without ROR. If i was Leafs i wouldn't pay high for him. He's had bad year in contract year. Not good sign

The Blues playing poor has nothing to do with ROR. Their D sucks.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I think he’ll be really good this year in the playoffs, but I’m not giving him a multi year deal

If I were the Leafs, I’d ask for ROR and Barbashev for Kneis. Adding those 2 guys would make it hell to play against.

Knies is unlikely to be moved at all and if he is it won't be for a rental

 

[HuGort]

The Blues playing poor has nothing to do with ROR. Their D sucks.

ROR not same player. Played hard all these years, could be done

 

[Celtic Note]

Leafs have no interest if thats what youre targeting.

So the Leafs are in the mid to lower tier of trade targets if this is true.

 

[StlBill]

ROR not same player. Played hard all these years, could be done

Ok… lol

 

[I am Canadian]

Blue's fans need to temper expectations. You aren't getting a prospect of Knies quality from anyone.

Rentals simply do not bring back top prospects.

 

[Mike Liut]

Blues trade Tage Thompson for ROR and win the cup

Leafs dont trade Kneis for ROR and don’t win the cup

 

[PocketNines]

One Blues poster wants a particular prospect and values him as a blue chipper. If he is not a blue chipper then the fixation on him is unwarranted. If he is a blue chipper then he is not on the table for a rental (or two rentals). So we don't need to argue about Knies. Leafs fans should understand that Blues fans understand this.

We are talking about a 1st round pick + 3d rounder + young reclamation player who is underperforming hopes if it's Giroux value as reported. That's the ask, and maybe Armstrong will get all of that or a little less. Leafs value Knies like Blues fans value Snuggerud currently. If the Blues were in a similar position as last year's team and buyers approaching this year's deadline, then teams would be asking for Snuggerud as the prospect coming back in a rental deal and we'd be saying no and having no trouble understanding why we're saying no.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Blues trade Tage Thompson for ROR and win the cup

Leafs dont trade Kneis for ROR and don’t win the cup

Guess you should keep current ROR and win the cup then?

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Blues trade Tage Thompson for ROR and win the cup

Leafs dont trade Kneis for ROR and don’t win the cup

Don't be like that mate. We heard for a long time stuff like that about "Miller would make you a cup winner" and we all saw how that ended.

 

[Got One Cup]

i Just want to see ROR go to a contender, wouldn’t mind seeing him help Toronto go deep or win it all. 1st + decent prospect seems fair value to me.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Blue's fans need to temper expectations. You aren't getting a prospect of Knies quality from anyone.

Rentals simply do not bring back top prospects.

Knies isn’t Knies quality prospect. The mythology some of y’all have built around him is ridiculous. He is good prospect and likely NHLer, but let’s not act like he is Matthew Tkachuk or anything. He’s 3rd best guy on his own line at UM.

 

[Mike Liut]

Guess you should keep current ROR and win the cup then?

Have you seen our defense?

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Have you seen our defense?

Have you seen our centers? Youre not getting a virtually untouchable asset for an over the hill, injured centerman whos got a lot of hard miles on his body and is playing arguably the worst hockey in his career and is pacing for less than 40 points.

ROR was a great asset when you traded for him, hes not that same player as when you traded for him 5 years ago.

Don't be like that mate. We heard for a long time stuff like that about "Miller would make you a cup winner" and we all saw how that ended.

"Foligno is the perfect guy for the Leafs, you should give up whatever it takes to get him! Instant contenders!" was a constant right before it turned into "OMG YOU GUYS GAVE UP A FIRST FOR HIM LOLOLOL LAFS SUCK"

It's HF tradition!

 

[Linkens Mastery]

"Foligno is the perfect guy for the Leafs, you should give up whatever it takes to get him! Instant contenders!" was a constant right before it turned into "OMG YOU GUYS GAVE UP A FIRST FOR HIM LOLOLOL LAFS SUCK"

It's HF tradition!

As a Blues fan I've seen a lot of "trade for this guy he'll win you a cup 100% guaranteed" or "trade your top prospect/1st round picks for a player that isn't your #1 need". Nothing is ever guaranteed and saying it is is silly. I hated other fan bases saying it to us, so I hate when we say it to other fan bases.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

As a Blues fan I've seen a lot of "trade for this guy he'll win you a cup 100% guaranteed" or "trade your top prospect/1st round picks for a player that isn't your #1 need". Nothing is ever guaranteed and saying it is is silly. I hated other fan bases saying it to us, so I hate when we say it to other fan bases.

Yeah, a lot of people get super caught up "winning" online trade arguments that they will say some dumb shit.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Knies isn’t Knies quality prospect. The mythology some of y’all have built around him is ridiculous. He is good prospect and likely NHLer, but let’s not ask like he is Matthew Tkachuk or anything. He’s 3rd best guy on his own line at UM.

Imagine you've been told and believed for 6 years that your forward group needs more size upfront. And you've had a big hole at LW for years. And your top prospect is a big LW who might develop into a good NHL power forward. Is it really difficult for you to imagine why fans are excited and don't want to trade him?

And there's no need to pretend Knies is a passenger or that he's being carried or anything. The Leafs wanted to sign him last year after his frosh season before he had played with either of them. He's the rare Leafs prospect that actually might project better in the NHL than his junior/college counting stats.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

So the Leafs are in the mid to lower tier of trade targets if this is true.

Why? because they don't want to trade Knies for a rental? They shouldn't.

If Knies was traded it shouldn't be for a rental it should be for somebody with term.

Or is it because it says They'd prefer not to trade their 1st?

That's literally every team in the NHL, no team WANTS to trade their 1st but I bet Toronto does trade a 1st, it might be 2024 instead of 2023 but it probably happens.

And if you can get better without trading a 1st why not?

Guys like Sean Monahan, Max Domi. Tyler Bertuzzi, Nyquivst would all make them better and with the possible exception of Bertuzzi none of them are getting 1st.

And given Bertuzzi current injury combined with the market being flooded with offensive talent I don't know that he does either.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Knies is unlikely to be moved at all and if he is it won't be for a rental

If the leafs aren’t moving a first or knies, then be prepared to be disappointed in the TDL deal,
like a seventh D or third or fourth liner should be the expectation.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

If the leafs aren’t moving a first or knies, then be prepared to be disappointed in the TDL deal,
like a seventh D or third or fourth liner should be the expectation.

Who said they aren't moving a 1st?

It was said they prefer not to trade their 1st, not that they wouldn't.

I got news for you every team would prefer not to trade their 1st, literally all of them.

But I bet Toronto does trade a 1st, maybe It's 2024 instead of 2023 but I bet they do it.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

I still maintain that ROR value is a 1st + 2nd considering factors such as injury, down season by his standards, age, likelihood of acquiring teams resigning him.
We must also consider the supply of impact centers of ROR caliber or better of which there are only two.
The last factor is perceived draft strength and teams willingness to part with said pick based on how each team views their chances based on team strength as well as the strength of competition of potential playoff opponents.

A 2023 1st + a 2024 2nd is in my opinion fair and could be slightly increased or decreased based on any of the above factors changing.