Value of: ROR to the Leafs at the deadline.

[jjniner]

Unfortunately, you are not going to win very many playoff games getting outhit 52-19! Like tonight against the Blues. You all need some grit.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Unfortunately, you are not going to win very many playoff games getting outhit 52-19! Like tonight against the Blues. You all need some grit.

Tonight had NOTHING to do with being out hit.

Tonight Samsonov couldn't give them a save, it was his worst game as a Leaf.

There were also stupid coaching decisions like having a 5 forward PP that caused a short handed goal

Or not using Tavares or Bunting as the 4th shooter.

But hits had NOTHING to do with it.

 

[jjniner]

I’m not saying hits had anything to do with tonight’s game. Playoff hockey is all about wearing the competition down. You do that by throwing your body and creating havoc. Getting strong special teams and having your goalie make the saves he should. If you get outhit by that large margin every game, trust me, it will show. Ask Boston in 2019.

 

[PocketNines]

Friedman reports the Blues are valuing ROR like Giroux last year.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Friedman reports the Blues are valuing ROR like Giroux last year.

Bit too rich for me, i'd rather not give up a first + for ROR at this stage of his career.

 

[PocketNines]

Bit too rich for me, i'd rather not give up a first + for ROR at this stage of his career.

Well a 1st+ is the opening of negotiation, as we've been saying since the opening of this thread. The market will determine the +.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Well a 1st+ is the opening of negotiation, as we've been saying since the opening of this thread. The market will determine the +.

And I respectfully consider that too rich for me, i'd much rather allocate our assets to a larger need than a 3C while understanding that some people think its a perfect time to bring in ROR.

 

[PocketNines]

And I respectfully consider that too rich for me, i'd much rather allocate our assets to a larger need than a 3C while understanding that some people think its a perfect time to bring in ROR.

Completely understand. People beat up on the Leafs but last year's playoffs were of a different order and they had a real chance to take out Tampa. I saw it.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Completely understand. People beat up on the Leafs but last year's playoffs were of a different order and they had a real chance to take out Tampa. I saw it.

Which is why, assuming he's healthy I want to bring him in.

They came within an inch of beating Tampa last year, a Tampa team that at the time included Palat and McDonough and no longer does.

They are weaker today than they were last year and I don't think Toronto is, and if you bring in ROR, assuming he's healthy they definitely wouldn't be

 

[PocketNines]

Which is why, assuming he's healthy I want to bring him in.

They came within an inch of beating Tampa last year, a Tampa team that at the time included Palat and McDonough and no longer does.

They are weaker today than they were last year and I don't think Toronto is, and if you bring in ROR, assuming he's healthy they definitely wouldn't be

If I were a Leaf fan and also as familiar with ROR as I am, I would genuinely be excited if the Leafs do get him. Obviously from your standpoint you want to pay as little as possible but when the smoke cleared you'd have a player who really understands the details of the game in the playoffs and can only help you in a variety of areas. Despite his start, come playoffs I strongly believe he will be a legitimate benefit to whoever gets him.

 

[leafsfan2point0]

I probably would do the 1st + our #5-10 prospect assuming he’s healthy. I think he would fit extremely well with the leafs. He’s clutch, excellent defensively, smart, etc.

I would also want a condition on the 1st that we get out of the first round lol.

 

[PocketNines]

I know it's probably a jest but the Blues would not agree to condition a 1st on the Leafs not getting out of the first round. If they don't get out of the first round the pick will be in the mid 20s and if they defaulted to a second rounder the Leafs don't even have one of those this year. We would not accept 2024 2d rounder as the starter. We fans are thinking 1st+ and it appears the Blues GM's opening position is Giroux value.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I probably would do the 1st + our #5-10 prospect assuming he’s healthy. I think he would fit extremely well with the leafs. He’s clutch, excellent defensively, smart, etc.

I would also want a condition on the 1st that we get out of the first round lol.

Haha now you're talking, that's the right idea anyway. One round isn't enough though, I'd give the prospect and then conditional 1st if we win two rounds, 2nd if we fail to do so. Yes I know, that probably won't be enough to get it done but in the unlikely case that the other contenders fill their needs elsewhere, it gets down to the last minute and there are no other offers, that's my offer (assuming ROR is healthy at the time).

The way I see it, rentals are pointless unless the team's cup window is closing (which it isn't) and the team has a good shot at winning the cup (doubtful).

We're probably favorites against TB as it is, and we're dogs against BOS with or without ROR. Then if we get that far, we'll have to beat two more really good teams, probably end up having to beat the #1, #2 and #3 teams in the NHL to win the cup + TB. Possible, but highly unlikely. Do the best we can with what we've got, add some gritty forward depth if the price is right and continue building.

 

[yurnxt]

ROR will be fully healthy for the playoffs. This set back probably lowered his value to just a 1st rounder, with no added prospect to the deal. That’s a steal for somebody.

As long as he is back and playing a couple weeks before the trade deadline as projected, I don't think it lowers his value at all. If I was a GM wanting to potentially trade for a workhorse like ROR, I would like the fact that he was getting a mid-season 6 week refresher before I aquired him.

His injury is of the basic time based variety and is not an injury that is going to cause recurring issues and or an injury that increases the probability of suffering the same injury again like a muscle pull/tear. If he had suffered something like a concussion, a bad oblique strain or a muscle/ligament tear, I would tend to agree that his value would take some kind of hit even if he returns as planned weeks before the trade deadline. In this case, assuming it's a routine healing process and he returns 10-20 days before the trade deadline as currently predicted I feel at worse and most probably, it's neutral to his value and best case scenario though not likely, it's healthy for his value IMO though not healthy enough to truly increase his return in a real meaningful way.

 

[Mike Liut]

Playoff ROR turns unto a beast. Sometimes I think he gets bored in the regular season.

 

[banks]

As long as he is back and playing a couple weeks before the trade deadline as projected, I don't think it lowers his value at all. If I was a GM wanting to potentially trade for a workhorse like ROR, I would like the fact that he was getting a mid-season 6 week refresher before I aquired him.

His injury is of the basic time based variety and is not an injury that is going to cause recurring issues and or an injury that increases the probability of suffering the same injury again like a muscle pull/tear. If he had suffered something like a concussion, a bad oblique strain or a muscle/ligament tear, I would tend to agree that his value would take some kind of hit even if he returns as planned weeks before the trade deadline. In this case, assuming it's a routine healing process and he returns 10-20 days before the trade deadline as currently predicted I feel at worse and most probably, it's neutral to his value and best case scenario though not likely, it's healthy for his value IMO though not healthy enough to truly increase his return in a real meaningful way.

I agree with all of this. I don't think his injury hurts trade value much, if at all. Assuming he gets into a few games and can play some real minutes, then there should be no concern from buyers.

I'd give up a 1st plus from Toronto. ROR can play wing, if memory serves. So he's be able to play on the top lines if needed, or play #3C giving the Leafs an insane group down the middle.

Can any STL fans tell me what they are looking for in terms of prospects? Is there a position of need? Do you have a guess on their interest in names like Robertson, Sandin, Knies, etc?

 

[Frenzy31]

I agree with all of this. I don't think his injury hurts trade value much, if at all. Assuming he gets into a few games and can play some real minutes, then there should be no concern from buyers.

I'd give up a 1st plus from Toronto. ROR can play wing, if memory serves. So he's be able to play on the top lines if needed, or play #3C giving the Leafs an insane group down the middle.

Can any STL fans tell me what they are looking for in terms of prospects? Is there a position of need? Do you have a guess on their interest in names like Robertson, Sandin, Knies, etc?

I can't see ROR returning any of Sandin, Knies, etc. I wish, but that isn't happening at all.

I am not familiar enough with your prospects. But somewhere in the 3-5 range. We can use the depth.

Fraser Minten? I have really have no idea.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I agree with all of this. I don't think his injury hurts trade value much, if at all. Assuming he gets into a few games and can play some real minutes, then there should be no concern from buyers.

I'd give up a 1st plus from Toronto. ROR can play wing, if memory serves. So he's be able to play on the top lines if needed, or play #3C giving the Leafs an insane group down the middle.

Can any STL fans tell me what they are looking for in terms of prospects? Is there a position of need? Do you have a guess on their interest in names like Robertson, Sandin, Knies, etc?

There isn't a chance in hell Sandin is in a deal for ROR unless the Blues decided to completely blow it up and it became a much MUCH bigger deal.
But ROR is a rental

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

I agree with all of this. I don't think his injury hurts trade value much, if at all. Assuming he gets into a few games and can play some real minutes, then there should be no concern from buyers.

I'd give up a 1st plus from Toronto. ROR can play wing, if memory serves. So he's be able to play on the top lines if needed, or play #3C giving the Leafs an insane group down the middle.

Can any STL fans tell me what they are looking for in terms of prospects? Is there a position of need? Do you have a guess on their interest in names like Robertson, Sandin, Knies, etc?

Knies would be our target.

 

[Spektre]

Knies would be our target.

How desperate are Dubas and management wanting to become legends in Toronto by winning a Cup? How much is he willing to sacrifice future assets to go all in? How much does he think ROR is a piece that accomplishes that goal?

It’s not just ROR or another is such and such value. There’s always other variables.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

If the Leafs defense and Goaltendong continue to regress I hope they don't spend a thing at the deadline. Since the Calgary game in December its been a slow slide into being average or downright not good enough.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Knies would be our target.

How desperate are Dubas and management wanting to become legends in Toronto by winning a Cup? How much is he willing to sacrifice future assets to go all in? How much does he think ROR is a piece that accomplishes that goal?

It’s not just ROR or another is such and such value. There’s always other variables.

Leafs have no interest if thats what youre targeting.

 

[Loimike]

If we are giving up 1st plus a good prospect or two we might as well get someone younger with term. Often when you target big names you end up with someone over the hill that's not worth it.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Leafs have no interest if thats what youre targeting.

I’m not saying we will get him, but leaf fan asked who we would be interested in and i think it’s likely that Knies is who we would target.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Playoff ROR turns unto a beast. Sometimes I think he gets bored in the regular season.

Turns 32 in early Feb and has a broken foot. Are teams going to pay a premium for him before the deadline if he doesn't play from now till deadline? I keep being told his broken foot don't matter but I'm not buying it.

ROR has a lot of milage but if he is back at 100%, he should provide value and have a fair amount of gas left. But this has not been a good season for him. He's still valued but definitely not trending well.