Value of: RNH to Rangers in forseeable future

[ilovemarkmessier]

What kind of package would it take to get RNH to the big apple? Would EDM be interested in a Player like Stepan to replace him? I think something around RNH + Klefbom for Stepan + Mcdonagh could benefit both teams although i think EDM adds slightly

Obviously a Edmonton fan. Stepan is better player then RNH and Mcdonagh is one of the top defensemen in the Nhl. So wait why would the Rangers do this?

 

[Measles]

Obviously a Edmonton fan. Stepan is better player then RNH and Mcdonagh is one of the top defensemen in the Nhl. So wait why would the Rangers do this?

Except for the fact he lists NYR as his favourite team and only posts in NYR threads. But yes, I suppose he could have carefully constructed a fake profile over 18 months so that someday he could impersonate a Rangers fan.

 

[ilovemarkmessier]

Points per 60

Stepan - 2.00
RNH - 1.62

First overall pick

Stepan - No
RNH - Yes

Man, decisions decisions...

And lets list it
Stepan
-Scores more ppg
-better shooter
-better defense
-better penalty killer
-way more physical
-Excels in the playoffs
oh did we mention more PPG

RNH
- Better playmaker slight edge

That being said I look back at RNH draft spot and think to myself he should have went 5 or 6 looking back he is very one dimentional

 

[One Winged Angel]

I love when people say this so concretely, even though that's not how it works.

So McDavid is better than Crosby?

 

[Measles]

And lets list it
Stepan
-Scores more ppg (Stepan .703 vs RNH .709)
-better shooter (exact same career shooting % as RNH)
-better defense (debatable)
-better penalty killer (debatable)
-way more physical
-Excels in the playoffs
oh did we mention more PPG (Stepan .703 vs RNH .709)

RNH
- Better playmaker slight edge
- Younger
- Cheaper contract
- Longer Contract

That being said I look back at RNH draft spot and think to myself he should have went 5 or 6 looking back he is very one dimentional (RNH is used and known amongst knowledgeable hockey people as at least a decent 2-way forward)

I'm not saying RNH is better than Stepan, but at least ATTEMPT an unbiased apprasial.

 

[Seachd]

So McDavid is better than Crosby?

So Anisimov is better than McDavid?

You proved my point.

 

[Seachd]

I'm not saying RNH is better than Stepan, but at least ATTEMPT an unbiased apprasial.

Yeah, that was pretty bad. The fact he called Nugent-Hopkins one-dimensional makes it pretty obvious he's confusing him with someone else.

 

[Homesick]

Yeah, that was pretty bad. The fact he called Nugent-Hopkins one-dimensional makes it pretty obvious he's confusing him with someone else.

Clearly didn't even watch the World Cup where the commentators were constantly praising RNH's two way game. I'd love to know how Stepan is "far more" physical

 

[ujju2]

I personally wouldn't trade the Nuge. I'd actually rather trade Draisaitl, especially after the great WCH he had. Not that I'd want to, but rather Drai than Nuge, IMO. It would take a very good rhd in a one-for-one deal to get the Nuge.

 

[tempest2i]

Obviously a Edmonton fan. Stepan is better player then RNH and Mcdonagh is one of the top defensemen in the Nhl. So wait why would the Rangers do this?

Because they have professional scouts.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

I don't think the value is bad. Nuge is a good young player and, as I see it, acquiring McDonagh would help solidify the Oilers as a competitive team in the Pacific. Yet, I don't see why the Rangers are a good fit for RNH. If they are in search of a young center, after trading for Zib, might as well just work on a deal around McDonagh for Draisaitl.

 

[McWeber]

I don't think the value is bad. Nuge is a good young player and, as I see it, acquiring McDonagh would help solidify the Oilers as a competitive team in the Pacific. Yet, I don't see why the Rangers are a good fit for RNH. If they are in search of a young center, after trading for Zib, might as well just work on a deal around McDonagh for Draisaitl.

I don't think Oiler fans even want to trade either center. McDonagh would be great to have but hes another LHD and we are better off having some center depth for once. Only trades I want to make at this point are trading secondary assets+futures for a RHD or a solid 3rd line C with size. We already blew our wad in trading Hall for Larsson. If someone is going to offer a player like Parayko or Ekblad for RNH/Drai obviously I would listen but outside of that I would rather keep the center depth and wait for more players to shake loose once teams are out of the playoff hunt.

 

[Skobel24]

RNH is really underrated. I'd take him over Stepan.

 

[Halla]

I wonder what objective fans think?

Nuge is a great hockey player, I think he's far better than Stepan. Could be completely wrong though.

objective fan here. its pretty even

 

[WesMcCauley]

I'm not saying RNH is better than Stepan, but at least ATTEMPT an unbiased apprasial.

You didnt get everything right you either but i agree he came off pretty biased but i would rather have Stepan than RNH. RNH doesnt have a longer contract. Both are UFA`s in 2021.

 

[48g90a138pts]

The difference in the number of years between McDonagh and Klefbom is a real downer. Oilers might win the trade over the first couple of years, but get their butts kicked down the road. Oilers real need is RHD.

Such a lateral trade that I think both sides actually lose.

 

[snipes]

objective fan here. its pretty even

Thanks, I probably shouldn't have said way better. I do prefer Nuge though (admittedly could be a homer preference, Stepan is good too). He's faced tough Pacific matchups in Getzlaf, Thornton, Kesler, and Kopitar for example since he was 18.

I think he's due to breakout very soon. It was nice to see him get noticed by many HF posters during the World Cup. I think the consensus was he was one of the better players for Team NA. Lots of good feedback for him from other fan bases.

 

[BlueBaron]

I have always thought Oiler fans overrated RNH. That some would rather have him then Draisaitl surprises me because of the Big Western Centre thing. RNH seems a better fit for the East. If I were the Oilers I would try and trade him for a D but I know you guys love him.

 

[JT Kreider]

Thanks, I probably shouldn't have said way better. I do prefer Nuge though (admittedly could be a homer preference, Stepan is good too). He's faced tough Pacific matchups in Getzlaf, Thornton, Kesler, and Kopitar for example since he was 18.

I think he's due to breakout very soon. It was nice to see him get noticed by many HF posters during the World Cup. I think the consensus was he was one of the better players for Team NA. Lots of good feedback for him from other fan bases.

Yeah, and Stepan has faced Crosby, Malkin, Backstrom and Giroux on a daily basis and more importantly the postseason and those matchups have worked out pretty favorably for the Rangers.

Stepan has been a better point producer, a better defensive player and is far more playoff proven since he has been a big part of one of the most competitive teams basically since he entered the league.

But RNH has a lot more value in a trade since he's a lot younger and still has a ton of potential, while Stepan is what he is.

He could easily blow up this year and then it's no doubt RNH> Stepan. But until that happens I'm still taking Stepan.

 

[snipes]

Yeah, and Stepan has faced Crosby, Malkin, Backstrom and Giroux on a daily basis and more importantly the postseason and those matchups have worked out pretty favorably for the Rangers.

Stepan has been a better point producer, a better defensive player and is far more playoff proven since he has been a big part of one of the most competitive teams basically since he entered the league.

But RNH has a lot more value in a trade since he's a lot younger and still has a ton of potential, while Stepan is what he is.

He could easily blow up this year and then it's no doubt RNH> Stepan. But until that happens I'm still taking Stepan.

I've heard that repeated, so I fact checked. You're wrong, and those who have spouted that are wrong.

Stepan: 305 points in 434 games -- 305/434 = 0.7028 ppg
Nuge: 222 points in 313 games -- 222/313 = 0.7093 ppg

0.7093 is greater than 0.7028. Therefore Nuge has outproduced Stepan on a worse team. Please don't repeat that false opinion.

 

[TGWL]

I've heard that repeated, so I fact checked. You're wrong, and those who have spouted that are wrong.

Stepan: 305 points in 434 games -- 305/434 = 0.7028 ppg
Nuge: 222 points in 313 games -- 222/313 = 0.7093 ppg

0.7093 is greater than 0.7028. Therefore Nuge has outproduced Stepan on a worse team. Please don't repeat that false opinion.

I don't have the numbers at the top of my head, but they weren't doing it PPG. It was either 5 on 5, or per 60. Therefore it's not a false opinion.

 

[snipes]

I don't have the numbers at the top of my head, but they weren't doing it PPG. It was either 5 on 5, or per 60. Therefore it's not a false opinion.

Ahh I see.

Still seems disingenuous to say he's out produced Nuge when Nuge has a higher PPG playing with an inferior supporting cast while also being younger.

 

[bucks_oil]

I don't have the numbers at the top of my head, but they weren't doing it PPG. It was either 5 on 5, or per 60. Therefore it's not a false opinion.

JT Kreider maybe gets a pass, maybe... since he said "point producer".

ILoveMarkMessier specifically said "better ppg", which is patently false... probably a lazy poster repeating what he thought he heard from ambiguous posts like JT Kreider's. This is how false narratives get perpetuated.

The facts are that they are very similar offensively. One plays on a team that can't execute a breakout. One has a cheaper contract. One has a longer contract. One is 3 years younger. Both are decent defensively.

Even if Nuge doesn't improve or reach his 1st overall potential,... factor that out completely... he is already a similar (if not equal) offensive producer who you can keep longer, for cheaper. I think it would be an easy call for most GMs.

 

[bucks_oil]

Also...

RNH > Stepan on the PP.

Over the past 3 years RNH = 4.78 pp pts/60 vs Stepan = 4.32 pp ppts/60

 

[ConBonJovi]

You'd improve at center and you'd get your best defenseman. Seems like a pretty clear upgrade to me.

I don't think Stepan is an improvement over RNH. Sure McDonaugh is an ok add on D, but also adds way more salary.