Value of: RNH to Rangers in forseeable future

[Mctryoshka Rebuild]

You'd improve at center and you'd get your best defenseman. Seems like a pretty clear upgrade to me.

I'm sure it does when you colour it like that. Nuge is better than stepan, however. And while McD is an upgrade on D, it's minimal (providing klef continues his play from last year) and on the wrong side. So again... Not addressing a need.

 

[JT Kreider]

I'm sure it does when you colour it like that. Nuge is better than stepan, however. And while McD is an upgrade on D, it's minimal (providing klef continues his play from last year) and on the wrong side. So again... Not addressing a need.

RNH is not a better player than Stepan. He's more valuable based on age and potential to improve while Stepan is what he is.

And McDonagh is not a minimal upgrade over Klefbom. C'mon you can't actually believe that.

 

[Mctryoshka Rebuild]

RNH is not a better player than Stepan. He's more valuable based on age and potential to improve while Stepan is what he is.

And McDonagh is not a minimal upgrade over Klefbom. C'mon you can't actually believe that.

Oilers were in a playoff spot last season when Klefbom went down. McDonagh is an upgrade, for sure, but not one worth trading prime assets to get when our real need is on the right side. Yes I believe exactly what I stated.
There's no trade to be had here.

 

[aufheben]

Why do we need the Nuge?

 

[SupremeTeam16]

RNH and Stepan are very similar players with very similar production. Like others have said on ice they are basically a wash.

I'd say RNH gets the edge as the more valuable player though because he is younger has a cheaper contract both cap hit wise and actual money wise. Also RNH doesn't have any sort of NTC/NMC on his contract which Stepan does.


We're giving up the more valuable C to get the more valuable D but at the end of the day Edmonton doesn't do it because they need to add another top 4 (preferably RHD) without subtracting one.

 

[TGWL]

i am not saying its a wash, NYR would have to add a bit more,

but why should they go overboard - to add a young talented top 6 C?
they just added one in Zibenejad

NYR has NO great incentive here,
i get that the EO fans want a home run to continue the shakeup

Hayes is the best forward (aside from Nash) that NYR would include, and he could assume RNH's C minutes.

from NYR side, that's where a useful deal would most likely start

They shouldn't. It doesn't make sense for the Rangers.

 

[ManofSteel55]

RNH is not a better player than Stepan. He's more valuable based on age and potential to improve while Stepan is what he is.

And McDonagh is not a minimal upgrade over Klefbom. C'mon you can't actually believe that.

If Klefbom plays this year like he did last before his injury, then I wouldn't move him 1 for 1 for McDonagh. It is when we lost him that our season really tanked. He is much better than most people here realize.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Why do we need the Nuge?

You don't. And we don't need Stepan. So it makes no sense on either side.

 

[aufheben]

You don't. And we don't need Stepan. So it makes no sense on either side.

Agreed. Nuge is great but this doesn't make sense.

 

[LTIR]

Value favors Edmonton but EDM has no reason to make this swap.

 

[Lundy HOF]

RNH > Stepan.

This is not accurate. Just because he was drafted 1st overall doesn't mean he is the better player.

CTD (career-to-date) Step has been the better player and the less injury prone one imo.

RNH has a "higher end skillset" and may make flashier plays but Step quietly always puts up a good season.

 

[Gardner McKay]

You can think that.

But their draft position though...

 

[Seachd]

I think the Oilers would be very happy keeping their own players in this one. Not sure I'd see the appeal of Stepan for them here.

 

[Gardner McKay]

I think the Oilers would be very happy keeping their own players in this one. Not sure I'd see the appeal of Stepan for them here.

There isn't. It is a wash. The appeal for the Oilers is the upgrade to McDonagh from Klefbom.

 

[Seachd]

There isn't. It is a wash. The appeal for the Oilers is the upgrade to McDonagh from Klefbom.

Obviously, with Klefbom's contract they're thinking long term. There's probably more than a little confidence on their part that Klefbom could outperform McDonagh over that time.

 

[tempest2i]

There isn't. It is a wash. The appeal for the Oilers is the upgrade to McDonagh from Klefbom.

At this time I don't think Oiler fans have seen enough of Klefbom to agree with your statement that McDonagh is an upgrade over Klefbom.

Klefbom has struggled to stay healthy, but when he has been in the lineup he has been a revelation. You're going to struggle to convince Oilers fans that they should trade their young Dman, who has been one of few positive lights over the past couple years and is signed to an attractive contract, to the Rangers for a player who they rarely watch and don't hear a lot of glowing comments about.

Is McDonagh the player with the more impressive resume? Absolutely
Is McDonagh the more proven player? No doubt

But Klefbom is basically a unicorn in Edmonton right now; a developed by the Oilers Dman that by all accounts looks like a legit Dman. They're rare and Oilers fans have bad memories of watching their homegrown Dmen get traded away and continue their careers elsewhere in the NHL.

 

[VoynovsParoleOfficer]

At this time I don't think Oiler fans have seen enough of Klefbom to agree with your statement that McDonagh is an upgrade over Klefbom.

Klefbom has struggled to stay healthy, but when he has been in the lineup he has been a revelation. You're going to struggle to convince Oilers fans that they should trade their young Dman, who has been one of few positive lights over the past couple years and is signed to an attractive contract, to the Rangers for a player who they rarely watch and don't hear a lot of glowing comments about.

Is McDonagh the player with the more impressive resume? Absolutely
Is McDonagh the more proven player? No doubt

But Klefbom is basically a unicorn in Edmonton right now; a developed by the Oilers Dman that by all accounts looks like a legit Dman. They're rare and Oilers fans have bad memories of watching their homegrown Dmen get traded away and continue their careers elsewhere in the NHL.

Good insight, Is Klefbom the higher prized young Defenseman out of him and nurse?

 

[McWeber]

Good insight, Is Klefbom the higher prized young Defenseman out of him and nurse?

Without a doubt, nurse has a slightly higher ceiling because of his physicality and mean streak but Klefbom is much more proven. I wouldn't do Klef 1 for 1 with McD especially because of contracts. We don't have the best history of resigning american born D. Honestly there isn't anything on the rangers that would make me wanna trade RNH or Klef.

 

[tempest2i]

Good insight, Is Klefbom the higher prized young Defenseman out of him and nurse?

Thanks and I'll echo McWeber's comment that Klefbom is currently the higher prized Dman when compared to Nurse.

 

[PuckG]

You'd improve at center and you'd get your best defenseman. Seems like a pretty clear upgrade to me.

Not an improvement at centre at all. No thanks from Edmonton.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Bad deal for the Rangers, doesn't make sense for Edmonton.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Good insight, Is Klefbom the higher prized young Defenseman out of him and nurse?

Yes. If Klefbom continues his development even just slightly over the next couple of years compared to where he was last year before he got injured, Klef is a sure top pairing Dman for years to come. I haven't seen anywhere near that in Nurse yet. But that could change. But as of now, I value Klefbom way more than Nurse. But I can also say it's VERY likely we'll be keeping both; Klef is on a fantastic long-term contract, and Nurse does have a lot of potential -- especially if he can put some hockey sense together.

I actually HATE this proposal as an Oiler fan. Not interested one iota. And yes, I've seen McD quite a bit. Don't want to start a flame war, so I'll keep my opinion of him to myself. Besides, it's only my opinion, and maybe I'm wrong, so who cares? Don't let what some random guy thinks of one of your Dman rattle you. Choose the high path.

 

[PuckG]

Bad deal for the Rangers, doesn't make sense for Edmonton.

Value wise, it's definitely better for Edmonton. Unfortunately, we're all too invested in Klefbom (and in my case, RNH too) to ever like that deal. My two favourite players off the Oilers...no thanks.

 

[Homesick]

What kind of package would it take to get RNH to the big apple? Would EDM be interested in a Player like Stepan to replace him? I think something around RNH + Klefbom for Stepan + Mcdonagh could benefit both teams although i think EDM adds slightly

haha no way. Oilers get considerably older and take on salary. If Klefbom can stay healthy for a full season this will be considerably bad(obviously McDonagh has the highest value)

 

[WesMcCauley]

What kind of package would it take to get RNH to the big apple? Would EDM be interested in a Player like Stepan to replace him? I think something around RNH + Klefbom for Stepan + Mcdonagh could benefit both teams although i think EDM adds slightly

Not Even close... horrible for nyr. Mcdonagh is a pretty big upgrade from Klefbom.