Proposal: RNH For Your 3C and Spare RHD

[JohnnyJacket13]

So your solution is to trade a borderline #1C or atleast a solid #2 for...nothing? Draisaitl was ahead last year because, if you noticed, RNH was injured for the vast majority of it. And even last season, which was Draisaitl's best season, he didn't hit the point totals RNH hit previously or play the defensive game RNH played. Recency bias screws people's minds on these boards.

From an outsider's perspective, I think people value Drai over RNH simply because of contract status and bang-for-buck value. They both have very high ceilings, but sort of play different roles (RNH a two-way game, Drai can be a game breaker). RNH is signed for 6M for the long term, and Drai is on his ELC. As a Jackets fan, I would have extreme interest in acquiring both, but would prefer Draisaitl to Nugent-Hopkins.

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

So your solution is to trade a borderline #1C or atleast a solid #2 for...nothing?

That would appear to be your plan should we hang on to him for multiple seasons at 3C. This way, the Oilers fill a need while ensuring their financial position is secure.

Draisaitl was ahead last year because, if you noticed, RNH was injured for the vast majority of it.

I'm not sure why that doesn't count.

And even last season, which was Draisaitl's best season, he didn't hit the point totals RNH hit previously or play the defensive game RNH played. Recency bias screws people's minds on these boards.

I don't know what sort of bias it is that makes 50 points look like less than 50 points, but that's what you're suffering from here. Draisaitl produced well within the wheelhouse of Nuge's "best" seasons while also playing decent D and providing a physical element RNH just simply isn't capable of.

 

[PuckG]

That would appear to be your plan should we hang on to him for multiple seasons at 3C. This way, the Oilers fill a need while ensuring their financial position is secure.



I'm not sure why that doesn't count.



I don't know what sort of bias it is that makes 50 points look like less than 50 points, but that's what you're suffering from here. Draisaitl produced well within the wheelhouse of Nuge's "best" seasons while also playing decent D and providing a physical element RNH just simply isn't capable of.

Considering you'd trade him for any #3C and RHD, that's your plan.

Sure it counts. It doesn't mean he repeats the performance or is ready for the position you have him pegged at. And it certainly doesn't mean you trade your second best center because of it.

Recency bias. Not that hard to figure out, but basically your perception of RNH is skewed because he was incapable of performing last year due to injury, while Draisaitl performed well in a short but more recent sample size. Again, last season, Draisaitl still didn't do what a healthy RNH has done twice, and he certainly wasn't as good defensively.

 

[PuckG]

From an outsider's perspective, I think people value Drai over RNH simply because of contract status and bang-for-buck value. They both have very high ceilings, but sort of play different roles (RNH a two-way game, Drai can be a game breaker). RNH is signed for 6M for the long term, and Drai is on his ELC. As a Jackets fan, I would have extreme interest in acquiring both, but would prefer Draisaitl to Nugent-Hopkins.

Out of curiosity, what has Draisaitl done to show that he could be anymore of a game breaker than RNH?

The only edge he gets over RNH is the fact that's he bigger and on an ELC. He hasn't produced more and he certainly isn't better than RNH defensively.

As an Oiler fan, I'm proud to have both and I'm a fan of both. But people suggesting that trading RNH would be a good idea baffle me. Once injuries hit, this team is ****** if Letestu has to be our #2C.

 

[snipes]

Out of curiosity, what has Draisaitl done to show that he could be anymore of a game breaker than RNH?

The only edge he gets over RNH is the fact that's he bigger and on an ELC. He hasn't produced more and he certainly isn't better than RNH defensively.

As an Oiler fan, I'm proud to have both and I'm a fan of both. But people suggesting that trading RNH would be a good idea baffle me. Once injuries hit, this team is ****** if Letestu has to be our #2C.

Management values having McDavid-Nuge-Drai as our 1-2-3 punch down the middle.

Nuge is staying put. This proposal makes zero sense.

 

[PuckG]

Management values having McDavid-Nuge-Drai as our 1-2-3 punch down the middle.

Nuge is staying put. This proposal makes zero sense.

Agreed. And it's ideal for when injury hits (it always does), and it allows us to roll three lines solid lines out.

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

Zajac and Severson for RNH and Fayne

 

[Rebuilt]

What the Oilers need, I think their fans would agree, is a stud #1 D. That should be the target of any trade, not 3C's or more second rate defenders.

I disagree. I will give my reasons.

-We already have Larsson, Klefbom and Nurse. All quality defenders whom at least 1 will become a #1 in their prime. Hopefully all 3

- we would have to give up more core pieces to get this #1 and there is no way we give up anymore save Eberle.

-we already have 3 defenders we have to protect, a 4th would screw over 3 forwards we could otherwise protect.

Its not a good time and I think we should just develop the ones we have.

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

Considering you'd trade him for any #3C and RHD, that's your plan.

Not any; I'm weighing individual proposals.

Sure it counts. It doesn't mean he repeats the performance or is ready for the position you have him pegged at. And it certainly doesn't mean you trade your second best center because of it.

So you think Draisaitl will put up less than 50 points. Sure, okay. That's a bizarre point of view, but sure.

Recency bias.

So that's what your form of bias is called too? Okay, thanks for clarifying.

asically your perception of RNH is skewed because he was incapable of performing last year due to injury, while Draisaitl performed well in a short but more recent sample size.

It absolutely wasn't a short sample size. It was a full season. Again, I have to ask: do you honestly believe Draisaitl can't repeat 50+ points?

Again, last season, Draisaitl still didn't do what a healthy RNH has done twice, and he certainly wasn't as good defensively.

One 50-point season in the bag, so that matches one of RNH's three. He's 46 away from another, or just slightly over 1 point every other game. If you want to insist he's incapable of that, by all means.

 

[LTIR]

Zajac and Severson for RNH and Fayne

After the expansion draft..maybe

 

[KlefDown]

No to trading RNH. Especially for next 3/4 years.
Hate Oilers fans who are out for the heads of every player ever since McDavid.
Hall, Yak and now Nuge? y'all need to stop.

 

[LTIR]

The reason McDavid and Draisaitl can thrive is because Nugent-Hopkins is doing the dirty work, defending top competition and doing all the things we need from a defensive center. He doesnt even need to score right now, If we lose him, we will be in trouble.

Not sure if you are making a case for keeping Nuge or trading Nuge.. this post feeds both sides of the argument.
If Nuge doesn't need to score then shouldn't a cheaper , less offensive but better defensive C be ideal for Oilers especially if they are adding a top 4 RD as well.

I don't think adding a top 4 D is a huge need anymore but Oilers should be open to deals that help balance its roster.
A deal like Zajac and Severson for Fayne and Nuge would be ideal unless Zajac has taken a step back.. ( haven't followed him in a long time)

 

[Evocable Manager]

Patrik Berglund and Jordan Schmaltz

Rather Lehtera.
Berglund plays in a role I don't think Lehtera could fill. Besides, I think Edmonton might rather have Lehtera, seeing as he is signed longer.

I wouldn't be too open to moving Schmaltz, he is cost controlled and with the Shattenkirk situation, I'm not sure we could afford to take that risk. We may end up with no RHD who is also a PMD. At the same point, a top 6 center would help desperately. It's a tough situation, but it all leads back to Shattenkirk.

 

[Halla]

trouba,dumba,shattenkirk = spare rhd

good grief

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

Rather Lehtera.
Berglund plays in a role I don't think Lehtera could fill. Besides, I think Edmonton might rather have Lehtera, seeing as he is signed longer.

I wouldn't be too open to moving Schmaltz, he is cost controlled and with the Shattenkirk situation, I'm not sure we could afford to take that risk. We may end up with no RHD who is also a PMD. At the same point, a top 6 center would help desperately. It's a tough situation, but it all leads back to Shattenkirk.

Shattenkirk + Lehtera for RNH. Problem(s) solved.

Schwartz-RNH-Tarasenko
Steen-Stastny-Fabbri
Perron-Berglund-Yakupov
Paajarvi-Brodziak-Jaskin
Upshall Reaves

Bouwmeester-Pietrangelo
Gunnarsson-Parayko
Edmundson-Schmaltz
Bortuzzo

Edmonton gets to run:

Lucic-McDavid-Eberle
Maroon-Draisaitl-Kassian
Pouliot-Lehtera-Puljujarvi
Pitlick-Letestu-Slepyshev
Lander

Sekera-Shattenkirk
Klefbom-Larsson
Russell-Gryba
Fayne

IR: Hendricks Davidson

 

[McSuper]

Did you miss the part where RNH both makes more than Bonino and is a borderline 1C?

Edmonton can still run three strong centers, but they can't afford to pay the third-best one $6M. It's that simple.

So you say , but if you consider our top pairing D are young locked up long term for under 8.5 million for years to come , well yeah we can afford to over spend on 3 centres

They're blessed, yes, and as such should trade from a position of strength to address a weakness. Downgrading at 3C to do that isn't the worst price to pay.

Count how many right shots are in that group, and then how many of those right shots can quarterback a powerplay. You'll see the problem, I believe in you.

Count how many RHD Chia has added . Benning is close to making the team full time , Bear has lock great draft +1 . I am really not as worried about a RHD unless he is a 45 + point guy



That's nice

. Expectations change

, especially when you find yourself a generational talent to lead the team. Much as McDavid supplanted Hall as the team's go-to player, Draisaitl has looked terrific in the 2C hole. RNH can be moved, even if he is himself still an excellent young talent.

Chia has made a ton of changes . Beating Calgary twice to start the season shows that . This team is new lets give them sometime to gel before making changes we could regret unless it moving no impact players , draft picks , rookies , Fayne and Pouliot

 

[McSuper]

As a Leaf fan RNH impressed me greatly with his play in the WC. Took his game to a new level.

No he really didn't he been playing like this for a few years

 

[spaghtti]

Chia has made a ton of changes . Beating Calgary twice to start the season shows that . This team is new lets give them sometime to gel before making changes we could regret unless it moving no impact players , draft picks , rookies , Fayne and Pouliot

How short your memory must be didn't you already start a thread trying to trade Puljujarvi?

 

[BudBundy]

The best center depth the Oilers have had since Jimmy Freakin Carson left town and you want to flush it after two wins. How 'bout NO?!! Nuge is playing the tough minutes and that'll finally make the Oilers more successful on the road and helps McJesus and Draisaitl keep producing. In case of injury, presto, you still have two scoring lines. Throwing his name out there just chums the water for trolls who are more than happy to sewer his worth.

 

[Roof Daddy]

We're not going to get good enough value back, especially if we're doing 2 for 1 deals pre-expansion draft (one of those players we return might get claimed).

I'd say we're better off with Nuge on the team this year, evaluate Caggulia's ability to play C, and see what the market for Nuge would be to a team like Vegas. The expansion draft was designed to make D men more exposed for Vegas to grab. Maybe they flip the best guy they man for Nuge, considering many teams will protect 7 F. Nuge could be the best forward they can land, post expansion draft.

 

[ujju2]

Yes, this territory is well-trodden by now, but while Nugent-Hopkins looks as though he could still score 40 points while playing excellent two-way hockey on the third line, he both costs too much and has too high of a ceiling to force him into such a role this early in his career.

I'm not expecting a Weber or Karlsson back, obviously, but a "real" 3C who posts 30ish points a year and can win draws is worth the downgrade if it means Edmonton can also pick up a decent right-handed defender in the same deal.

Potential fits (add as needed):

-WPG for Trouba and any spare C (Lowry?)
-MIN for Dumba and a C (Perennial MVP Erik Haula?)
-STL for Shattenkirk (I know, I know, hates Canada/dog-sledding to the rink) and Lehtera?

Is there a team I'm not thinking of? Keep in mind Edmonton could also stand to absorb salary in any trade, and that secondary picks/prospects are more available than at any time before as the team strives to become a contender.

I do think that once Caggiula returns, RNH and Drai will both play2nd line.

 

[WesMcCauley]

Hayes+Klein

 

[major major]

RNH and Fayne for Dubi and Savard

I'll be the next Jackets fan to come and say "where do i sign?" The Jackets really do need immediate help at center (forget what I was saying this summer).

Though full disclosure: I might just be fine with this deal because Dubi and Savard have been awful to start the year. Which of course might be a problem for the Oilers, assuming the Oilers have pro scouts.

 

[JarvisFunk]

Not sure if you are making a case for keeping Nuge or trading Nuge.. this post feeds both sides of the argument.
If Nuge doesn't need to score then shouldn't a cheaper , less offensive but better defensive C be ideal for Oilers especially if they are adding a top 4 RD as well.

I don't think adding a top 4 D is a huge need anymore but Oilers should be open to deals that help balance its roster.
A deal like Zajac and Severson for Fayne and Nuge would be ideal unless Zajac has taken a step back.. ( haven't followed him in a long time)

Im in the keep Nuge camp, I guess what im trying to say is that hes not being given a huge chance to put up points right now because of how he is being used, hes more than capable of scoring if hes centering a scoring line. But what hes doing for us right now is more important, and id be willing to bet if we stick with our current lines he will out produce almost any center in the league replicating his role.

 

[HowSweeeedeItIs]

Shattenkirk + Lehtera for RNH. Problem(s) solved.

Schwartz-RNH-Tarasenko
Steen-Stastny-Fabbri
Perron-Berglund-Yakupov
Paajarvi-Brodziak-Jaskin
Upshall Reaves

Bouwmeester-Pietrangelo
Gunnarsson-Parayko
Edmundson-Schmaltz
Bortuzzo

Edmonton gets to run:

Lucic-McDavid-Eberle
Maroon-Draisaitl-Kassian
Pouliot-Lehtera-Puljujarvi
Pitlick-Letestu-Slepyshev
Lander

Sekera-Shattenkirk
Klefbom-Larsson
Russell-Gryba
Fayne

IR: Hendricks Davidson

Huh?