Player Discussion Ridly Greig (LW) 28th Overall

[Tragedy]

What the plan with Greig? Do you think he stay in the NHL for the remainder of the season?

I don't think that was the original plan but with how he has played I think he has forced the teams hand

 

[thinkwild]

Great start for the Riddler. But a lot of adrenaline still, we'll see how he settles in before declaring him here for the rest of the season. But he has been developing really well. Tme well spent in Belleville it seems. If he could develop into a Mike Richards role, that would be a great high bar for him to strive for.

 

[SquidNasty]

God I love this player.

One thing I’m tired of hearing though is all the people saying “why was he even in the minors in the first place!” No such thing as letting a prospect cook for too long and those 30ish games in the AHL were much better for his development than starting the season in Ottawa on the 4th line.

 

[aragorn]

This would be a pretty good top nine for next yr no matter how you shuffle them.

Tkachuk - Norris - DeBrincat
Greig - Stutzle - Batherson
Formenton - Pinto - Giroux

 

[OD99]

This would be a pretty good top nine for next yr no matter how you shuffle them.

Tkachuk - Norris - DeBrincat
Greig - Stutzle - Batherson
Formenton - Pinto - Giroux

Man, I really hope Formenton is back next year.

 

[Xspyrit]

I’d still take Pinto over him. The biggest concern with Ridly isn’t play it’s inability to stay healthy.

Great start. I love his compete level. Seems like a guy who has that inner drive cranked to a higher level. Hopefully as he gains man strength the injuries become fewer and further apart.

Yeah but Pinto also missed 77 games last season... It's not like we have a lot of guys who rarely get injured and when we have them we trade them anyway

I think it's the skill part people have underrated with Greig. That's usually what poor initial scouting reports do. Just like "3rd line C" label stuck too long for Josh Norris, for example

 

[Cosmix]

Yeah but Pinto also missed 77 games last season... It's not like we have a lot of guys who rarely get injured and when we have them we trade them anyway

I think it's the skill part people have underrated with Greig. That's usually what poor initial scouting reports do. Just like "3rd line C" label stuck too long for Josh Norris, for example

Based on the games I have seen of both players (Pinto more than Greig), they seem to have similar skills and might have similar value. Too early to say. I would like to retain both players for our bottom six.

 

[Bileur]

Yeah but Pinto also missed 77 games last season... It's not like we have a lot of guys who rarely get injured and when we have them we trade them anyway

I think it's the skill part people have underrated with Greig. That's usually what poor initial scouting reports do. Just like "3rd line C" label stuck too long for Josh Norris, for example

I wanted the sens to target Greig predraft, I’m not surprised.

That said, Greig’s injury history is hardly comparable to Pinto’s. Pinto had a one off severe injury from an awkward hit into the boards. Greig on the other hand is frequently nicked up and missing time.

The latter is more concerning as a pattern than the former.

 

[Ouroboros]

God I love this player.

One thing I’m tired of hearing though is all the people saying “why was he even in the minors in the first place!” No such thing as letting a prospect cook for too long and those 30ish games in the AHL were much better for his development than starting the season in Ottawa on the 4th line.

Wild isn't it?

But that's Sens Twitter for you, I guess. A bunch of pathologically obnoxious mid-wits who have taken the default position that everything the Senators organization does is incorrect, so obviously they didn't know what they had in Ridly Greig. People who aren't even observant enough to recognize correct player development when it is playing out in real time right before their eyes.

These are the same people that were braying endlessly about how the organization was mishandling Logan Brown. And Christian Wolanin. And Max Lajoie. And Filip Chlapik. And Vitaly Abramov. And Jonathan Dahlen. And Christian Jaros. And Rudolfs Balcers.

...and yet, none of those guys can play a lick. But they know better.

 

[aragorn]

Yeah but Pinto also missed 77 games last season... It's not like we have a lot of guys who rarely get injured and when we have them we trade them anyway

I think it's the skill part people have underrated with Greig. That's usually what poor initial scouting reports do. Just like "3rd line C" label stuck too long for Josh Norris, for example

I had plenty of arguments with people when we acquired Norris & I suggested he had 1st line potential, maybe you were one of them?

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

I had plenty of arguments with people when we acquired Norris & I suggested he had 1st line potential, maybe you were one of them?

However we got here, we went from “who will even be our first line C” a few years ago to west we are now. The outlook is looking bright at C, even if this year has been a challenge.

 

[HSF]

lets not over rate him like we did Pinto and have him penciled into the top 6 for next year

Let him go into next season developing on the 3rd line and see what happens

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

I just hope the team has a good plan in place to get him a good 5+ pounds of muscle on in the summer. His style of game, he needs it (without losing footspeed).

 

[Answer]

This would be a pretty good top nine for next yr no matter how you shuffle them.

Tkachuk - Norris - DeBrincat
Greig - Stutzle - Batherson
Formenton - Pinto - Giroux

Yeah, I am pretty excited about next year!!! Can't wait!

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Greig is a hockey players hockey player. Alfie type, I love it.

Also I get that development at lower level is important. But when he started finding his stride there and considering we were playing Brassard in the top six and pinto was struggling and we were still in the playoffs race. Would it not have been worth to call up Greig and try him for a game or two ? Would it have hurt anyone?

A shit load of players from his draft have already been playing games and it truly is a young man's game. Worst case he sucks and still needs more seasoning.

Best case he sticks and is one of our most complete forwards, like he is now, and we see better hockey and win more games and are right in the playoff hunt.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

What the plan with Greig? Do you think he stay in the NHL for the remainder of the season?

Unless his play dips drastically. which it very well might, that second line C spot is his to lose.

 

[SensFan1010]

lets not over rate him like we did Pinto and have him penciled into the top 6 for next year

Let him go into next season developing on the 3rd line and see what happens

I dont think we over rated Pinto I think he just ended up on the 2nd line because of the norris injury.

 

[JD1]

Unless his play dips drastically. which it very well might, that second line C spot is his to lose.

We've got Stuetzle and Norris in those top 2 C spots. Or did you mean this year?

 

[Burrowsaurus]

We've got Stuetzle and Norris in those top 2 C spots. Or did you mean this year?

I meant just till the end of the year.

 

[Sun God Nika]

Greig gets injured more often than Pinto so far.

Anyways i would say keep Both. You need forwards like these guys in your middle 6 if you ever want to have the chance of sniffing a cup. We seen teams get top 4 D for way less. But if you put a gun to my head and we had to move one. It would be Greig.

 

[Xspyrit]

I wanted the sens to target Greig predraft, I’m not surprised.

That said, Greig’s injury history is hardly comparable to Pinto’s. Pinto had a one off severe injury from an awkward hit into the boards. Greig on the other hand is frequently nicked up and missing time.

The latter is more concerning as a pattern than the former.

Yeah I get your point and his playing style is certainly not helping. I hope he gets the right advices and adjust his game

Based on the games I have seen of both players (Pinto more than Greig), they seem to have similar skills and might have similar value. Too early to say. I would like to retain both players for our bottom six.

Pinto is more of a shooter 2-way player. He's in the same mold as Norris. Greig is a multi-faceted player who is a better playmaker than goal scorer. Both are really nice assets and one thing I appreciate is that Dorion never traded these young studs for immediate help

I had plenty of arguments with people when we acquired Norris & I suggested he had 1st line potential, maybe you were one of them?

I was one of the very few who defended Dorion in the Karlsson trade, and Norris was a big reason for that. I also said that I thought the Sharks 1st could be good after they let Pavelski go (and their core was aging). Didn't expect 3rd overall good though!

 

[HSF]

I dont think we over rated Pinto I think he just ended up on the 2nd line because of the norris injury.

going into last season he was def overrated as a 2C

So much so people were saying last year would have been different if he played which does not seem to be the case

these guys take a while to develop

 

[aragorn]

Having Greig & Pinto is a real luxury for this team, two good young two way players who bring some energy, can play centre or wing, both play with some edge, both can play on special teams, both are good at faceoffs & possession & both can contribute offensively & defensively. Two very good young players that improve the team & they will only get better.

 

[coladin]

Does he seem a little tame? Like maybe he was spoken to?

 

[NyQuil]

Does he seem a little tame? Like maybe he was spoken to?

Such a small sample size of play to conclude anything.