Player Discussion Ridly Greig (LW) 28th Overall

[aragorn]

I am uncertain about Joseph. He did exceptionally well immediately after arriving here and playing with top 6 players. He might do it again if he played on the same line as before. Whoever got bumped from RW (was it Batherson ?) could move down to play with Pinto.

Given the poor performances recently, a line juggling might be on order to get this team playing better.

Hopefully next season we will start with a new owner, a new GM, a new coaching staff AND the first summer of the new GM will include obtaining a top 2 RD!

We do have Giroux (although aging) & Batherson in the top six playing RW & Joseph & my guess Sokolov graduating next yr who should fight it out for the 3rd line RW spot. Greig shoots left so I imagine he will be in a competition with Formenton or someone else for the 3rd line LW spot. I think Pinto gets the 3rd line centre spot. I honestly don't know if anyone else in this org who could challenge Greig & Sokolov for those spots on the 3rd line other than Formenton. Should be interesting what happens, I have no idea what will happen with management whether there will be changes or not for next yr.

 

[jhutter]

Would it not make sense to give Grieg a shot in an attempt to get a better idea of what he is (and will be) at the NHL level? He’s likely to be an ask in any significant trade. It might be a good time to see what he is in an effort to better determine whether or not he should be a piece to be moved.

 

[StoicSensFan]

Would it not make sense to give Grieg a shot in an attempt to get a better idea of what he is (and will be) at the NHL level? He’s likely to be an ask in any significant trade. It might be a good time to see what he is in an effort to better determine whether or not he should be a piece to be moved.

If AF47 isn't back next season, we're going to need an effective pest type player really bad. Greig should stay either way really, I would sooner part with Pinto

 

[OD99]

Would it not make sense to give Grieg a shot in an attempt to get a better idea of what he is (and will be) at the NHL level? He’s likely to be an ask in any significant trade. It might be a good time to see what he is in an effort to better determine whether or not he should be a piece to be moved.

I think they know what he is and they want him to be part of the future.

We talk about Boucher and what he will bring but Greig will be physical, a pest and score while being effective in almost any role they give him.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I think they know what he is and they want him to be part of the future.

We talk about Boucher and what he will bring but Greig will be physical, a pest and score while being effective in almost any role they give him.

Interview on 1200 today with Greig, about 13 minutes long. Pretty good listen.

 

[Sensinitis]

I think they know what he is and they want him to be part of the future.

We talk about Boucher and what he will bring but Greig will be physical, a pest and score while being effective in almost any role they give him.

I can’t wait

I think he can be a more pesty version of Formenton for us, who we’ve been sorely lacking this year

 

[OD99]

I can’t wait

I think he can be a more pesty version of Formenton for us, who we’ve been sorely lacking this year

Me too.

I love Forms and hope things work out for him to come back but Greig will put up a lot more points and have an overall greater impact.

I see 2nd line potential with ability to jump onto top line when needed. Super high on him.

If he can get any substantial weight gain then the skys the limit. Hopefully he and Jake have another great offseason in the gym together.

 

[JD1]

Me too.

I love Forms and hope things work out for him to come back but Greig will put up a lot more points and have an overall greater impact.

I see 2nd line potential with ability to jump onto top line when needed. Super high on him.

If he can get any substantial weight gain then the skys the limit. Hopefully he and Jake have another great offseason in the gym together.

Here's a theory

There's been a ton of media and political pressure on the HC scandal and the event was reopened by police and presumably thoroughly investigated again. Why haven't charges been laid? Could be that political pressure aside, there's insufficient grounds to charge anyone or limited probably to convict anyone

 

[OD99]

Here's a theory

There's been a ton of media and political pressure on the HC scandal and the event was reopened by police and presumably thoroughly investigated again. Why haven't charges been laid? Could be that political pressure aside, there's insufficient grounds to charge anyone or limited probably to convict anyone

Not sure we can get into this discussion, at least in this thread, but it seems plausible particularly given that there was already a civil case closed with an NDA in place.

Must be hard to investigate fully, not to mention we are now 5 years past?

 

[StoicSensFan]

Interview on 1200 today with Greig, about 13 minutes long. Pretty good listen.

Greig: I'm not too worried about getting called up, just loving what I'm doing right now

Sens prospect Ridly Greig joins The Drive to talk about how his season's been going in the AHL, his experiences at the World Juniors, and more

www.tsn.ca

 

[Cosmix]

I think they know what he is and they want him to be part of the future.

We talk about Boucher and what he will bring but Greig will be physical, a pest and score while being effective in almost any role they give him.

I want to keep Greig. Trading Boucher is fine with me, even though I tend to like bigger more physical players, because I think Greig will be the better more valuable player.

I would also like to give Sokolov a chance to play RW this season, with Pinto at C. It's time to give him the opportunity to show if his development has made him into an NHL player, or not. Sokolov is subject to waivers next season so this is the time to do it; as the team is not likely going to make the playoffs this season.

 

[Cosmix]

Me too.

I love Forms and hope things work out for him to come back but Greig will put up a lot more points and have an overall greater impact.

I see 2nd line potential with ability to jump onto top line when needed. Super high on him.

If he can get any substantial weight gain then the skys the limit. Hopefully he and Jake have another great offseason in the gym together.

I do not think Greig will have a better career than Formenton; I think they are likely to be a similar level of player. To date Formenton has shown he can already play well in the NHL; Greig has not.

 

[Cosmix]

I think I'd like to see the Sens go to a more offensive 3rd line .. something like
Greig - Pinto- Lodin/Sokolov but I'd like to see Lodin
and one really solid checking line
Motte - Kastelic - Joseph.. ( I would look to move Joseph to use a cheaper player without much drop off)
Leaves Kelly, Watson, Lucchini, Chartier..
Its a change in Philosophy but I think it would be interesting to try.

Now if we could only teach forwards to defend.

I am not a fan of Motte. I would rather see a big bruiser policeman on the 4th line. Joseph is paid too much to be on the 4th line; another Dorion contract goof.

Why 163 seems very specific, where is that number from.?

I’d guess 175-180
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@Cosmix

Hockeydb I think.

 

[OD99]

I do not think Greig will have a better career than Formenton; I think they are likely to be a similar level of player. To date Formenton has shown he can already play well in the NHL; Greig has not.

We will see.

Greig is showing production at the AHL level and if he can stay healthy he is looking to put up a Josh Norris type of year compared to what Formenton put up in his rookie AHL season (which was quite good as well).

I think Greig is better at everything other than straight line speed compared to Formenton as well. Vision, playmaking, toughness, shot, edges.

Greig will be on the Senators next season which is 4 years after being drafted compared to 5 years for Formenton and I would not be surprised if Greig puts up better numbers due to his playmaking abilities.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Not sure we can get into this discussion, at least in this thread, but it seems plausible particularly given that there was already a civil case closed with an NDA in place.

Must be hard to investigate fully, not to mention we are now 5 years past?

HC mentioned a while back that the NDA was cracked open, presumably due to political and subsequent public pressure, that and leadership change. I don’t think that agreement holds any sway any more.

The London police did say that there is enough evidence to conclude that an assault did take place (or something to that effect) however, in these types of cases that’s very different from also concluding that there is enough evidence that a ‘crime’ was committed (mens rea). Prosecutors while have to decide if there is enough evidence to prove guilty mind, because the guilty act is not being questioned.

I suspect that there is a huge question of whether it is to the public benefit to make public the names of several people who will be most certainly judged by the public regardless, without strong enough evidence to secure a legal guilty verdict.

 

[Xspyrit]

I do not think Greig will have a better career than Formenton; I think they are likely to be a similar level of player. To date Formenton has shown he can already play well in the NHL; Greig has not.

Completely normal as Formenton was a NHL rookie at 22 y/o last season. Greig is a rookie in the AHL this season. He turned 20 y/o in August

 

[Cosmix]

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We will see.

Greig is showing production at the AHL level and if he can stay healthy he is looking to put up a Josh Norris type of year compared to what Formenton put up in his rookie AHL season (which was quite good as well).

I think Greig is better at everything other than straight line speed compared to Formenton as well. Vision, playmaking, toughness, shot, edges.

Greig will be on the Senators next season which is 4 years after being drafted compared to 5 years for Formenton and I would not be surprised if Greig puts up better numbers due to his playmaking abilities.

i hope you are correct.

 

[jhutter]

I think they know what he is and they want him to be part of the future.

We talk about Boucher and what he will bring but Greig will be physical, a pest and score while being effective in almost any role they give him.

I don’t think you can know what a 28th overall pick is in the NHL until he’s actually played in the NHL.

 

[Xspyrit]

I don’t think you can know what a 28th overall pick is in the NHL until he’s actually played in the NHL.

Projecting talent is absolutely possible. Some people are even paid for it as a job. People who don't work in that field can also make money by investing on the right players (hockey cards, etc)

Of course we have no idea what the finished product will exactly look like but there's many players that you can see coming from a distance. Shane Pinto for example. However I've seen some people think he could be a high end producer (he's more a Phillip Danault in the making IMO) so projections seem to be all over the place.

Which meets your argument, there's no consensus on what a player will become

 

[OD99]

I don’t think you can know what a 28th overall pick is in the NHL until he’s actually played in the NHL.

At this stage where he was drafted is irrelevant.

What he has done post draft from WHL to WJHC to AHL is impressive and puts him on a good path.

 

[barriers]

 

[StoicSensFan]

Looks like he'll be playing with DeBrincat and Giroux to start. Greig's favorite player growing up was G, super cool opportunity.

 

[DrEasy]

I was expecting this to happen after the TDL. This seems a bit premature to me, but desperation has set in the front office.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I was expecting this to happen after the TDL. This seems a bit premature to me, but desperation has set in the front office.

Dorion said a what 3-4 days ago the plan was to get him 50 games in Belleville. Norris going down changed this I would guess.

 

[DrEasy]

Dorion said a what 3-4 days ago the plan was to get him 50 games in Belleville. Norris going down changed this I would guess.

They could have gone back to using Pinto on the 2nd line. We are going nowhere. Let Greig develop in the AHL.