ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
Bite you tongue! You don't want to give Sather any ideas.
Although I don't think the exact scenario would happen, I wouldn't be surprised if Glen Sather makes some boneheaded push for Jumbo Joe.
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Bite you tongue! You don't want to give Sather any ideas.
Although I don't think the exact scenario would happen, I wouldn't be surprised if Glen Sather makes some boneheaded push for Jumbo Joe.
He's playing hurt and/or scared. There's just no way around it at this point. That stat is horrendous. Rick Nash just isn't that bad of a hockey player. Has to be something going on behind the scenes
Perhaps this should also be posted in the Martin St Louis thread. Do the math.
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
Perhaps this should also be posted in the Martin St Louis thread. Do the math.
There should be an option for when a member of HF-NYR types the following phrases "this guy is a bum!, Please get him off this team!, What a waste of money he is!" If one of those phrases are entered into a reply the option to post the same message in multiple player discussion threads should be available.
we want cup
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Not defending Nash at all, but his center has been equally as bad this playoff season.
That is three playoff seasons in a row where said center has underperformed.
We all know he is not a No 1 center, but being put in that position means he plays with top wingers and gets prime PP time. He has to create more.
We want to trade the guy now? I thought it was Buy Low / Sell high not the other way around? ANy major change will happen next season after the MSL deal expires.
Richards gets bought out. Hopefully, Pouliot and Zucc are back and they can use that money to fill a few spots. There is not a no 1 center out there, so don't force things. Don't overpay Stastny (who is just a slightly more productive version of Stepan) like he is elite.
My immediate solution? If Kreider plays tonight I'd replace Nash on PP with Kreider.
Kreider will park himself in front of net while Nash will not. This might also give Nash that kick in the rear I think we all believe he needs. Nash is great on the rush, not so much in a set environment like the PP
I would use Nash on my No 1 PK unit and tell him to create havoc. He is actually an outstanding penalty killer and might just allow us to take advantage.
That is three playoff seasons in a row where said center has underperformed.
We all know he is not a No 1 center, but being put in that position means he plays with top wingers and gets prime PP time. He has to create more.
We want to trade the guy now? I thought it was Buy Low / Sell high not the other way around? ANy major change will happen next season after the MSL deal expires.
Richards gets bought out. Hopefully, Pouliot and Zucc are back and they can use that money to fill a few spots. There is not a no 1 center out there, so don't force things. Don't overpay Stastny (who is just a slightly more productive version of Stepan) like he is elite.
My immediate solution? If Kreider plays tonight I'd replace Nash on PP with Kreider.
Kreider will park himself in front of net while Nash will not. This might also give Nash that kick in the rear I think we all believe he needs. Nash is great on the rush, not so much in a set environment like the PP
I would use Nash on my No 1 PK unit and tell him to create havoc. He is actually an outstanding penalty killer and might just allow us to take advantage.
94now
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Concussion injures players that play hard. Nash is safe for good.Or he gets another concussion and goes Pronger...
94now
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Nash has scored 40 goals in this league, and is a perennial 30 goal guy. You dont do that by not playing hard. I think theres something to the concussions making him a bit gun shy.
But I also think, more than anything really, the reason Nash has struggled here is because hes just absolutely awful when time and space get taken away -- a hallmarks of the playoffs, and a place he hasn't been before he came to NY.
He is a pretty dazzling player when he is given space and is on the rush. He also happens to be a terrible player against the boards, in front of the net, or any other spot where the checking is extremely tight. I cant even fully explain it, but if hes not skating on the rush, its almost as if his legs and hands aren't working in conjunction with each other.
Somebody should give him tapes of Jagr from the last 10 years and make him watch them Clockwork Orange style.
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
KingWantsCup
#FightLikeHell
There is no way he can stay on this team if he continues to falter and we get eliminated. The fans will make his life at the Garden hell.
These days it seems like more than half the crowd either doesn't care or doesn't know who Rick Nash is.
But at least they have $$$.
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ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
Well...Nash can rest a little easy because he may not be scoring, but the fans would really give it to him if he were a defenseman who the fans thought should be scoring more.
Malik, Rozsival, Poti, Del-Zotto
The fans were relentless with those guys when they weren't scoring enough.
It's a good thing Nash is supposed to be our top goal scoring winger, otherwise, there would be hell to pay!
It always works that way - culpability flows backward in the mind of most fans. Look at Hank (or most any goalie for that matter) - he can make a dozen dazzling saves that keep you a game you have no right to win, but let in one goal you think he possibly could have stopped, and he's the villain.
For a forward, you can be putrid shift after shift after shift, but deflect one into the net and you're one of the stars of the game. Not fair, but that's the way it goes.
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At the end of the day, it's just an excuse though. Sports is a results driven business, and he hasn't delivered results consistently enough this season.
Can we exercise a compliance buy out on Nash? Or, since Columbus signed him, is he not eligible?
We could move Nash, BUT, not without eating some of his salary. 9 out of 10 teams won't want to touch his contract based on his overall performance. We would need to eat at least $2M of it to move him, IMO (bring him down to the $5-6M cap hit range for a team).
I'm actually very torn on who I'd prefer to have bought out at this point between Richards/Nash. On one hand, Nash is younger and has more trade value (albeit very little trade value) but crumbles on an annual basis when he is needed most. To the point where 3rd/4th liners give more production on an annual basis in the post season.
On the other hand, Richards is on a longer term contract, is already older, but elevates his game exponentially in comparison to Nash when he is needed most.
The only reason why I would keep Nash is because we might be able to trade him if we ate some of the contract. Given Nash's performance / concussion injury with the Rangers, it's not as black and white anymore. If we buy out Richards we may be stuck with an even greater cap hit of $7.8M a year, for a player who may never play the same again post concussion and a player who never played well, or even average, or even below average in the post season.
I think none of them warranted the criticism they received from fans, to the point where they were getting booed by the Garden Faithful.
Malik was never as bad as fans made him out to be, Rozsival was a SOLID defense man for us for a number of years, Del Zotto had some good seasons with us, even Poti had one great year for us.
How Nash has escaped boos when he is getting paid his salary to produce no results is beyond me.
Another out on the Richards contract could be the Rathje, Hatcher and Pronger way (or let's just call it the Flyers way) of putting him on LTIR for good once his play really takes a dive. I know it's not quite as easy, but I'm sure he'll have some lingering injury .
jerseyjinx94
I jinx players.
We're now nearly 2 years into the Rick Nash New York Rangers saga. The story:
2 Concussions.
Inconsistent effort.
47 goals in 109 games (just over 35 per 82 games).
82 points in 109 games (nearly 62 per 82 games).
1 playoff goal in 22 games. (just under 4 per 82 games).
9 playoff points in 22 games (just over 33 per 82 games).
Has been a roller coaster marred with inconsistency and underwhelming playoff performances. The guy can score goals. He needs to meditate or something and ****ing do it already.
2 Concussions.
Inconsistent effort.
47 goals in 109 games (just over 35 per 82 games).
82 points in 109 games (nearly 62 per 82 games).
1 playoff goal in 22 games. (just under 4 per 82 games).
9 playoff points in 22 games (just over 33 per 82 games).
Has been a roller coaster marred with inconsistency and underwhelming playoff performances. The guy can score goals. He needs to meditate or something and ****ing do it already.
Go back to the Nash trade thread. While so many posters are declaring Nash to be the final piece of the puzzle for a team that just went to the ECF, some girl is in there saying she doesn't like the trade at all. And she's getting blasted by so many people who do not want to hear anyone disagree that Sather just pulled off a robbery of Columbus.
I hate that so far I'm the one who is right.
OverTheCap
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One of the many frustrating things about Nash is that he knows exactly what the deficiencies are in his game, yet he refuses to go about fixing them.
Twice this season he admitted he needs to get on the inside more, and that he is more effective offensively when he spends more time playing inside. Now he is saying they need to get more traffic in front of Fleury (it took the players until Game 4 to realize this?!) - let's see if he actually walks the walk instead of just talking the talk this time.
Twice this season he admitted he needs to get on the inside more, and that he is more effective offensively when he spends more time playing inside. Now he is saying they need to get more traffic in front of Fleury (it took the players until Game 4 to realize this?!) - let's see if he actually walks the walk instead of just talking the talk this time.
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
Jersey, if it's any consolation to you, I hate to say that I was wrong.
I felt that the Rangers were in a prime window with the way the team was constructed in terms of age, contracts, etc. I really thought that having Nash and Gaborik would bring us to the promised land. I never was bit by the hype bug as I was for the Nash trade.
CharlieCharleschuk
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Two points on the trade Nash discussion above and elsewhere:
Rick Nash has a No Trade Clause through 2018 (end of contract), and a No Movement Clause through the end of next year.
If you are contemplating "eating salary" why not just contemplate a buyout which according to capgeek will cost ~$2.6m each season for the next eight years. Eating salary may cost up to 3.9m for the duration of the contract.
Rick Nash has a No Trade Clause through 2018 (end of contract), and a No Movement Clause through the end of next year.
If you are contemplating "eating salary" why not just contemplate a buyout which according to capgeek will cost ~$2.6m each season for the next eight years. Eating salary may cost up to 3.9m for the duration of the contract.
I was always against trading for Nash simply because I wouldn't have signed him to that contract if he was an UFA. Giving up assets for an overpaid player is never a good idea. I was glad though that Sather didn't trade too much for him - or at least that's what I thought. In hindsight I like that trade even less obviously.
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