Nash at his absolute best was never in the same class as Gaborik. Just because Nash has that fluke Rocket Richard doesn't mean anything. Nash is the single most overrated player I have ever seen in the NHL, always has been. Never wanted him on the Rangers. People kept saying that if he played on a real team his stats would improve. WRONG. His numbers have gone down because now the play doesn't flow through him and he doesn't play 24 minutes per game. Nash has gotten worse and will only continue to do so.
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Nash at his absolute best was never in the same class as Gaborik. Just because Nash has that fluke Rocket Richard doesn't mean anything. Nash is the single most overrated player I have ever seen in the NHL, always has been. Never wanted him on the Rangers. People kept saying that if he played on a real team his stats would improve. WRONG. His numbers have gone down because now the play doesn't flow through him and he doesn't play 24 minutes per game. Nash has gotten worse and will only continue to do so.
Nash at his best is a quick physical monster who can dance through teams and score along with killing penalties and playing well defensively. we have seen this. lets not pretend like Nash doesnt have another level. Gaborik at his best is a player who can appear out of nowhere, but when he isnt scoring hes absolutely invisible. I take Nash at his best every time over Gaborik at his best.
and yea your post clearly isnt agenda driven
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Yeah, Gabby was electric and an elite sniper. Nash has never had a good shot, he was always a lumbering sort of guy who scored goals in open space that you see in the reg season especially on bad teams when the opposition doesn't have to worry about the outcome halfway through the game.
Hopefully we can dump Nash soon and move on.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the new CBA allow you to eat salary to move a contract? I think you can eat up to half the contract, and then there are restrictions around how many contracts and how much "dead cap" you can have.
If so, and if we do decide to move Nash, I think it will be much easier than people think (the main hold up in my mind would be getting him to waive his NTC). You're telling me a team wouldn't give up assets for a 5-6mm 30+G scorer?
If so, and if we do decide to move Nash, I think it will be much easier than people think (the main hold up in my mind would be getting him to waive his NTC). You're telling me a team wouldn't give up assets for a 5-6mm 30+G scorer?
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Gaborik's career has been SIGNIFICANTLY more impressive than Nash's so far. Where on earth do you ground the idea that Nash is better? Nash has never been physical. He absolutely cannot dance, he lumbers. And he certainly doesn't have another level.
Both are offense first players. Only Nash's offense is poop compared to Gabby's.
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It would have to be a non-playoff team because no one would want a 30 goal scorer who becomes a 5 goal scorer over an 82 game pace in the playoffs.
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Good point. I'm pretty sure the Leafs would be banging on our door. There are plenty of teams who just want to get to the dance, and only a handful who are specifically looking for the "PO player."
I would've agreed, until we traded Gaborik. For all Slat's shortcomings, he hasn't hesitated to move "stars" when it was time (whether its been trades, buyouts, AHL demotions). Question is, are we willing to eat 4 yrs of dead cap? If we did, I believe bubble teams (Dallas, Leafs, Caps, Wings; the list is long) would be all over Nash at $5.8mm, and would give up real assets to acquire him.
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You know, I was cursing Sather for putting this ****** team together, but in reality, on paper our team is pretty good. We have one of the best goalies in the world, one of the best shutdown d pairings in the NHL, and perennial all-star forwards in Nash and St. Louis. Not to mention some scoring depth (finally).
The thing is, if Hank was playing like Hank, McD like the real McD, if Nash was scoring just at the rate he did last season and St. Louis when he was in Tampa, we'd be one hell of a dangerous team. The thing is, EVERYONE is slumping at the absolute worst time imaginable. If they could just meet (not exceed) their expectations, we'd be a real contender.
So i don't know who's to blame. Could it possible be AV? I mean, under Torts last season Nash and Stepan were almost a PPG. Torts was blamed for our offensive woes, but we have been even worse under AV.
The thing is, if Hank was playing like Hank, McD like the real McD, if Nash was scoring just at the rate he did last season and St. Louis when he was in Tampa, we'd be one hell of a dangerous team. The thing is, EVERYONE is slumping at the absolute worst time imaginable. If they could just meet (not exceed) their expectations, we'd be a real contender.
So i don't know who's to blame. Could it possible be AV? I mean, under Torts last season Nash and Stepan were almost a PPG. Torts was blamed for our offensive woes, but we have been even worse under AV.
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So the coaches change, the result remains the same, and we still blame the coach?
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This is debatable.
Also, in general, a [potential] 2nd round playoff exit is right in line with NYR hockey.
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The roster might be a slight step above last year's team, but the team still has Rick Nash and Derek Stepan on their first line, no finishing ability, lack of size/defensive skill up front, lack of skating ability down the middle, lack of faceoff winning ability, a lack of offense from the blueline, and an anemic powerplay. Most of these problems were problems last year, and they haven't been fixed. Sure, you can slap MSL on this team and expect him to carry it, but it's most likely not going to (and hasn't) worked. The one constant? Lack of dynamic talent and a lack of all-around game at center. And if a team does not have dynamic talent at center, it needs a functioning powerplay if there is any chance of contending.
The lack of powerplay success is clearly not a coaching issue. It's a player issue. There's no one to cause problems in front, no one to get the puck through from the point, no one that is dangerous from the top of the circles. It's up to Sather to get players to better fill these roles, and he has been unable to time and time again.
So, yeah, keep blaming the coach.
KirkAlbuquerque
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Look at our bottom 6 and bottom pairing this year compared to the last two years. We're no longer forced to play guys like Darrol Powe, Matt Gilroy, Arron Asham, Benn Ferriero, Jeff Halpern, Michael Haley, Stu Bickel etc.
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I agree that Sather sucks and im not putting all the blame on the coach, but having SO many players underperforming is quite alarming. I mean, Nash gets the benefit of the doubt since he's had a bunch of concussions, he may never be effective again. But what about MSL? PPG player until the day he's traded to NY. Horrible pointless streak, then he has a couple good games against a mediocre Flyers team, everyone gets excited that he's finally about to "break out", and since then he's been more invisible than Nash and as bad as Stepan.
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I don't know, I was going to say it's debatable, but let's look at the two rosters in comparison:
'13
Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Hagelin-Brassard-Callahan
Pyatt-Boyle-Dorsett
Garbage
Richards scratched, Clowe injured
McDonagh-Girardi
Del Zotto-Stralman
Moore-Eminger
Staal hurt
'14
Nash-Stepan-MSL
Pouliot-Brassard-Zucc
Hagelin-Richards-Miller/Carcillo
Boyle-Moore-Dorsett/Fast
McDonagh-Girardi
Staal-Stralman
Moore-Klein
I mean, to me, the latter team is clearly better on paper...but not good enough and still severely lacking in versatility.
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nice to see you've come around to the dark side on Rick Nash. Next stop is defending Torts. 
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The roster being better on paper isn't the same as actually...being better. The GM puts the teams together.
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I still think firing Torts was the right move, but I've been saying he's a solid coach despite all the Vancouver fans throwing a party over his firing (although he did not do a good job with the Canucks at all, and while he was not the main problem, he didn't do anything to help).
And, yes, it pains me to very core to admit you were right about Nash...but you were right about Nash. Gotta admit when I'm wrong.
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