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Nylander thread...
"You don't pay 20 goal scorers $6.96 million!!!"
Same suspects.....Marner threads.
"Dubas is an idiot for not paying a 22 goal scorer (avg) $11 million!!!"
Salary Cap: RFA Marner - Silence until solution to the matter one way or the other
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"You don't pay 20 goal scorers $6.96 million!!!"
Same suspects.....Marner threads.
"Dubas is an idiot for not paying a 22 goal scorer (avg) $11 million!!!"
Suntouchable13
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Some do. I looked up Crosby and Malkin, just for fun. Crosby had his career high at 19, Malkin at 22. I am not saying Marner can't score 100, he can, but it's also a good possibility that he might never score more than 94. There are also guys who had career highs later, like Kane. You can't say for sure that he will definitely eclipse 94 points. I am not saying he won't, though.
Wafflewhipper
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No it is not! 26 was another increase in his presence as a player. He should have signed for 11@7years is all.
We can't minimize his quality as a player to fit him in to the salary structure. Bad advice from representation he received and the classless way Ferris goes about it is blurring the lines.
Phenomenal player and person is what we knew. Lets not forget that and that entertainment to us is business to them.
We can't blurr the lines. Just be fans and enjoy it when he is signed i guess is the least frustrating way of viewing this.
Nylander was not asking 11+ or 3 years in term, he is a nice player who got a fair contract.
MattySnipes
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Definitely anything can happen but it's unlikely. Crosby had some crazy paces for points after his career-high but had major injury issues (concussions) which prevented him from setting new highs.
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That price point should be associated with a Leafs offer of 7 or more years term but not 3. IMO
You would need to be buying 3 years of UFA status away from Marner to get to $10.5 mil AAV.
Jack Eichel the franchise C drafted 2 spots before Marner sold off 4 years of UFA status to get $10 mil AAV as a direct comparison to support the need for a deal near full term at that rate.
Actually now that I think of it: how many players have had their career year at aged 21? Daniel Marois and Gilbert Dionne. Any others?
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Kelly
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Their tactics of.... Negotiating....? Like every other player?? It's his right, and like half the RFA class is still unsigned.
The only thing that I would agree on is what Ferris did after Matthews signed his contract, which clearly the player had nothing to do with.
janesy12
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Still think he tweeted that because CJ had a report that there's been progress in talks.
Dreger panicked and sent out the casual "it may get done quickly. Or not. Or next month."
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Nylander at best was a 0.75 ppg player. Marner last season was 1.15 ppg player. 1.15/0.75 x $7M = $10.7M
desperateblue
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The prospect package and 11 million in cap space could probably help a lot more then people are realizing
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I really hope that if Marner gets signed, whatever the cost, everyone shuts up about contracts for a really long time.
The main reason I would say that I'm confident that Marner will beat 94 points again (and 100) is the powerplay. The reason Crosby had his career high at 19 was because of all of his powerplay points. He had 61 that year. Marner had 21 this past year. Obviously Marner is no Crosby, and there were more powerplay opportunities when Crosby was 19, but I think we can all agree that the leafs powerplay still underperformed this year. At minimum, with our talent, Marner should have had 30 pp points. That would put him well over 100.
Couple that with the fact that he will most likely still improve offensively, and that Tavares won't drop off anytime soon, I'd say there's a more than a 50-50 chance Marner breaks 94 points again.
Probably until Barrie or Muzzin.... or then Rielly... it'll never end lol
But if they ever take away the cap... then people wouldn't talk about it anymore.
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So basically, it could happen, or it won't happen? Thanks for the insight Dregger.
based on some of the rumours, thats basically what the 6 year deal would look like. in and around $10.5 x 6 years. i could live with that.
Yeah, I mean, its not like Nylander was riding a crazy oiSH%. I mean, he had a 12% one at 5v5, and he's never been able to be on a line that converts at a high-rate without Matthews. Marner's 11.4 likely won't hold, but there is more evidence to support he drives a higher conversion rate that makes it more likely to stay above 10 than there is with Willy. Who would have predicted that would go down and inflate his P/60....
Also, you can pick at any one stat to drive home a point. I thought goal scorers were paid more, (whcih is what I hear repeatedly in this thread).
G/60 at 5v5 for Pastrnak: 1
G/60 at 5v5 Nylander: .63
Let's also ignore that Pastrnak had better total numbers, better raw possession numbers, better relative possession numbers, was a year younger and also sold off 1 more UFA year. But, yes, P/60 at 5v5 is all that matters. If that's the metric you want to use to defend your point, Marner just finished above finished-above Patrick Kane, Panarin, Matthews, and McDavid while riding an insanely low 2nd assist rate. He also had the highest primary point/60 at 5v5 which is more repeatable than outright P/60. So, if your case is built solely around P/60 for Nylander, you should probably have no problem paying Marner his demands. Not that I would cave to Marner today, but you can't just hammer home one number as basis for why Nylander deserved a better deal than Pastrnak.
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Yup no other fastors involved. Would you bet that the ppg difference will be 0.40 for the reminder of their contracts from this season and forward?
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