Salary Cap: RFA Marner - Silence until solution to the matter one way or the other

[kb]

10.5 mil for a 26 goal scorer is still insanity

Bringing up other worse contracts doesn’t make that look any better imo

Nylander thread...

"You don't pay 20 goal scorers $6.96 million!!!"

Same suspects.....Marner threads.

"Dubas is an idiot for not paying a 22 goal scorer (avg) $11 million!!!"

 

[Suntouchable13]

Yes because players clearly hit their peak at age 21..

Some do. I looked up Crosby and Malkin, just for fun. Crosby had his career high at 19, Malkin at 22. I am not saying Marner can't score 100, he can, but it's also a good possibility that he might never score more than 94. There are also guys who had career highs later, like Kane. You can't say for sure that he will definitely eclipse 94 points. I am not saying he won't, though.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

10.5 mil for a 26 goal scorer is still insanity

Bringing up other worse contracts doesn’t make that look any better imo

No it is not! 26 was another increase in his presence as a player. He should have signed for 11@7years is all.

We can't minimize his quality as a player to fit him in to the salary structure. Bad advice from representation he received and the classless way Ferris goes about it is blurring the lines.

Phenomenal player and person is what we knew. Lets not forget that and that entertainment to us is business to them.

We can't blurr the lines. Just be fans and enjoy it when he is signed i guess is the least frustrating way of viewing this.

 

[EP40 AKA Lil Wayne]

For a certain faction of Leafs' fans when Nylander was negotiating a contract, it was all about his playmaking abilities, not a peep about his goal scoring numbers being a limiting factor.

Nylander was not asking 11+ or 3 years in term, he is a nice player who got a fair contract.

 

[MattySnipes]

Some do. I looked up Crosby and Malkin, just for fun. Crosby had his career high at 19, Malkin at 22. I am not saying Marner can't score 100, he can, but it's also a good possibility that he might never score more than 94.

Definitely anything can happen but it's unlikely. Crosby had some crazy paces for points after his career-high but had major injury issues (concussions) which prevented him from setting new highs.

 

[Mess]

3 x 10.5 my updated guess

That price point should be associated with a Leafs offer of 7 or more years term but not 3. IMO

You would need to be buying 3 years of UFA status away from Marner to get to $10.5 mil AAV.

Jack Eichel the franchise C drafted 2 spots before Marner sold off 4 years of UFA status to get $10 mil AAV as a direct comparison to support the need for a deal near full term at that rate.

 

[deletethis]

Yes because players clearly hit their peak at age 21..

Actually now that I think of it: how many players have had their career year at aged 21? Daniel Marois and Gilbert Dionne. Any others?

 

[Suntouchable13]

Definitely anything can happen but it's unlikely. Crosby had some crazy paces for points after his career-high but had major injury issues (concussions) which prevented him from setting new highs.

Injuries are a part of the game and can happen to anyone.

 

[Burnie97]

Good... although basically what CJ said already.

 

[Kelly]

Why? You can like the player but hate their camp's tactics

Their tactics of.... Negotiating....? Like every other player?? It's his right, and like half the RFA class is still unsigned.

The only thing that I would agree on is what Ferris did after Matthews signed his contract, which clearly the player had nothing to do with.

 

[janesy12]

Leafs Lunch advised that the leak of contract details most definitely came from the team. Andi and Dave both agreed that this was a very well played leak by management and really makes the Marner camp look bad. No one from their camp commented until Dreger tweeted 2 hours ago.

Still think he tweeted that because CJ had a report that there's been progress in talks.
Dreger panicked and sent out the casual "it may get done quickly. Or not. Or next month."

 

[deletethis]

Nylander was not asking 11+ or 3 years in term, he is a nice player who got a fair contract.

Nylander at best was a 0.75 ppg player. Marner last season was 1.15 ppg player. 1.15/0.75 x $7M = $10.7M

 

[desperateblue]

The prospect package and 11 million in cap space could probably help a lot more then people are realizing

 

[Ryan Michaels]

You should try to view things without emotion. Don't want to look like that small group of Islanders fans.

Once the deal is signed, that's it. Done. Move on.

I really hope that if Marner gets signed, whatever the cost, everyone shuts up about contracts for a really long time.

 

[Madap]

Some do. I looked up Crosby and Malkin, just for fun. Crosby had his career high at 19, Malkin at 22. I am not saying Marner can't score 100, he can, but it's also a good possibility that he might never score more than 94. There are also guys who had career highs later, like Kane. You can't say for sure that he will definitely eclipse 94 points. I am not saying he won't, though.

The main reason I would say that I'm confident that Marner will beat 94 points again (and 100) is the powerplay. The reason Crosby had his career high at 19 was because of all of his powerplay points. He had 61 that year. Marner had 21 this past year. Obviously Marner is no Crosby, and there were more powerplay opportunities when Crosby was 19, but I think we can all agree that the leafs powerplay still underperformed this year. At minimum, with our talent, Marner should have had 30 pp points. That would put him well over 100.

Couple that with the fact that he will most likely still improve offensively, and that Tavares won't drop off anytime soon, I'd say there's a more than a 50-50 chance Marner breaks 94 points again.

 

[Heisen]

Dreger on 1050: "I have never once had a conversation with Paul Marner"

 

[Burnie97]

I really hope that if Marner gets signed, whatever the cost, everyone shuts up about contracts for a really long time.

Probably until Barrie or Muzzin.... or then Rielly... it'll never end lol

But if they ever take away the cap... then people wouldn't talk about it anymore.

 

[Anthrax442]

Dreger is insufferable

 

[Anthrax442]

Dreger on 1050: "I have never once had a conversation with Paul Marner"

Noone ever seen them in the same room together. Dun Dun Dun!!

 

[Cynical]

Leafs Lunch advised that the leak of contract details most definitely came from the team. Andi and Dave both agreed that this was a very well played leak by management and really makes the Marner camp look bad. No one from their camp commented until Dreger tweeted 2 hours ago.

So basically, it could happen, or it won't happen? Thanks for the insight Dregger.

 

[gabeliscious]

Nylander at best was a 0.75 ppg player. Marner last season was 1.15 ppg player. 1.15/0.75 x $7M = $10.7M

based on some of the rumours, thats basically what the 6 year deal would look like. in and around $10.5 x 6 years. i could live with that.

 

[93LEAFS]

Final ELC years. Even strength points/60

Pastrnak - 2.41
Nylander - 2.44

Yeah, I mean, its not like Nylander was riding a crazy oiSH%. I mean, he had a 12% one at 5v5, and he's never been able to be on a line that converts at a high-rate without Matthews. Marner's 11.4 likely won't hold, but there is more evidence to support he drives a higher conversion rate that makes it more likely to stay above 10 than there is with Willy. Who would have predicted that would go down and inflate his P/60....

Also, you can pick at any one stat to drive home a point. I thought goal scorers were paid more, (whcih is what I hear repeatedly in this thread).

G/60 at 5v5 for Pastrnak: 1
G/60 at 5v5 Nylander: .63

Let's also ignore that Pastrnak had better total numbers, better raw possession numbers, better relative possession numbers, was a year younger and also sold off 1 more UFA year. But, yes, P/60 at 5v5 is all that matters. If that's the metric you want to use to defend your point, Marner just finished above finished-above Patrick Kane, Panarin, Matthews, and McDavid while riding an insanely low 2nd assist rate. He also had the highest primary point/60 at 5v5 which is more repeatable than outright P/60. So, if your case is built solely around P/60 for Nylander, you should probably have no problem paying Marner his demands. Not that I would cave to Marner today, but you can't just hammer home one number as basis for why Nylander deserved a better deal than Pastrnak.

 

[Once]

Please do 6 x 10.16, thats a marginal overpayment but better than what has been floating around lately..

Everyone will forget these contract shenanigans when Marner puts up a 100+ point season in the next 2 years

 

[DarkKnight]

Dreger just said on LL he feels a lot better a deal gets done really quick than he did yesterday. Stuff flying around everywhere.

As I’ve said all summer while people have lost their minds on here, it’s just now that the PRESSURE point starts! Relax, here we go.....

 

[EP40 AKA Lil Wayne]

Nylander at best was a 0.75 ppg player. Marner last season was 1.15 ppg player. 1.15/0.75 x $7M = $10.7M

Yup no other fastors involved. Would you bet that the ppg difference will be 0.40 for the reminder of their contracts from this season and forward?