Salary Cap: RFA Marner - Silence until solution to the matter one way or the other

[ShaneFalco]

You should try to view things without emotion. Don't want to look like that small group of Islanders fans.

Once the deal is signed, that's it. Done. Move on.

Why do a few posters tell everyone else how to feel? You do you

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Get Marner signed and go win the cup that's how I think this team can be

 

[Nineteen67]

That would be too honest and too kind. Personally, I'd be reducing the offer daily after training camp starts.

Using your leverage.

 

[Burnie97]

If he signs 6 years at 10.5 or less... at this point I guess its better then a lot of us were thinking. Not great... but better.

Im sure its been said a bunch of times earlier ... but when this stuff happens... it seems to make it look like they leak it... so Marner if he does indeed sign for less than speculated... doesn't look as greedy then.

I don't mind admitting I was pissed at the 11 x 7 ask and its turned away... but I still think he's a heck of a talent. So hopefully if what friedman is saying is true... get this shit over with and get playing Marner.

Hopefully for his sake he puts up multiple 80 to 90 point seasons.

 

[Advanced stats]

It's almost worth quoting some of these "I'll never cheer for Marner" posters, just to make them look stupid in half a season.

Of course you'll love and cheer marner when he puts up 90 points and scores a series clinching goal. No matter the contract, I'm sure everyone will come around.

 

[FrozenJagrt]

Why do a few posters tell everyone else how to feel? You do you

Merely offering a suggestion to make watching the game more enjoyable. If you or anyone wants to hate, by all means. I can understand it. It's just the kind of stuff people are referring to when they suggest Leafs fans run their players out of town.

I'm not innocent of this. I tried my damndest to not hate on Gardiner, but failed. It's difficult to contain emotions. But I find the more effort I put into being a supportive fan (without wearing blinders), the more enjoyable the game is.

At the end of the day, the win is all that matters. If Marner waits til the night before the first game to sign, then comes in, plays his ass off and produces the way we know he can, I can let it go.

 

[ACC1224]

It's almost worth quoting some of these "I'll never cheer for Marner" posters, just to make them look stupid in half a season.

Of course you'll love and cheer marner when he puts up 90 points and scores a series clinching goal. No matter the contract, I'm sure everyone will come around.

Minimum 100 points this year in a full season.

 

[kb]

Using your leverage.

There is no additional leverage gained by waiting

 

[ACC1224]

Merely offering a suggestion to make watching the game more enjoyable. If you or anyone wants to hate, by all means. I can understand it. It's just the kind of stuff people are referring to when they suggest Leafs fans run their players out of town.

I'm not innocent of this. I tried my damndest to not hate on Gardiner, but failed. It's difficult to contain emotions. But I find the more effort I put into being a supportive fan (without wearing blinders), the more enjoyable the game is.

At the end of the day, the win is all that matters. If Marner waits til the night before the first game to sign, then comes in, plays his ass off and produces the way we know he can, I can let it go.

Maturity can be a rare trait

 

[desperateblue]

10.5 mil for a 26 goal scorer is still insanity

Bringing up other worse contracts doesn’t make that look any better imo

 

[Raymondo316]

If Mitch only signs for 3 years id put money on him being traded within a year or 2.

No way management will want to go through this process again and have to deal with Mitch & his crazy advisors demanding 14-15 million a year.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Minimum 100 points this year in a full season.

It's just as likely that 94 points is going to be his career high. Jut my opinion.

 

[CDN24]

10.5 mil for a 26 goal scorer is still insanity

Bringing up other worse contracts doesn’t make that look any better imo

Can't look at just goals, gotta look at everything he does. Heck 10.5 is a lot for a guy with 13 career assists too Carey Price

Could say That 11.634M is a lot for a centre whose career high in assists is 36.

Here are some centres who had more than 36 assists last year

Phil Danault 41
Chris tierney 39
D Strome 37

 

[ACC1224]

It's just as likely that 94 points is going to be his career high. Jut my opinion.

Better not be and I don't see why it would.

 

[Mess]

Yeah those leaks yesterday destroyed them and I'm sure it was a PR nightmare. I'm actually shocked Ferris didn't attempt to at least deny the claims through a couple radio hits to defend Marner and their position. That tells me all I need to know to be perfectly honest.

For me no denial from Ferris seems to support the accuracy of the numbers being reported.

Where often rumours need to be taken with a grain a salt, but no denials seem to suggest this is now low sodium rumours and likely factual as reported.

 

[Bomber0104]

It's just as likely that 94 points is going to be his career high. Jut my opinion.

Yes because players clearly hit their peak at age 21..

 

[RoyalCitySlicker]

Me too, without getting bent over.

After going my entire life without a Stanley Cup to date, there are a lot worse things I'd do than getting bent over to see that flag fly

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Nylander is $400/500K overpaid so, extrapolating Marner being $600K overpaid isn't horrible. Neither would ever kill our team so no need to build trade values etc

I'm more saying it is a deal that would give us more leverage to trade him at some point during his contract than we likely have right now.

As long as it is structured like Nylander's where it is front loaded with bonuses so there's not a lot of real money to be paid out when we may be looking at trading him (therefore increasing the number of trading partners and the amount we can receive in return), I'll live with the overpay. Just shows that money was more important than the team for Marner, and that is how people are likely going to be looking at him now...

It's actually even worse than Nylander, because at least Nylander could have made a legitimate claim that the Leafs may have been forced to trade him down the line due to cap constraints (40+ mill tied up to our top 4 forwards is not sustainable unless the cap goes up significantly in the next 3 years), and that if he was not going to play in Toronto like he wanted, he at least wanted to be properly compensated. I can at least understand where he's coming from. Marner did not have those concerns because the Leafs would never have considered trading him (just like they almost certainly would not with Tavares and Matthews) if they ran into cap trouble. However after all of this, and showing money>team, I am not so sure that luxury applies to him anymore.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Better not be and I don't see why it would.

There have been guys who had their most points in a season around age 21-22-23. So it's just in my opinion, it's 50-50 that he gets more than 94 points again. I hope he gets more, it would be fun to see. I hope he, Matthews, JT, Willy all score a ton of points. Most importantly, though, they need to score ton of points in the playoffs. Regular season is nothing. It's just a warm up.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Yes because players clearly hit their peak at age 21..

scoring peaks in a year that clearly showed an increase in league scoring? it's not super rare actually.

 

[desperateblue]

Can't look at just goals, gotta look at everything he does. Heck 10.5 is a lot for a guy with 13 career assists too Carey Price

Could say That 11.634M is a lot for a centre whose career high in assists is 36.

Here are some centres who had more than 36 assists last year

Phil Danault 41
Chris tierney 39
D Strome 37

10.5 is too much regardless which stat you wanna cherry pick.
And for the record I’m not claiming Matthews deal is good either. As I said bringing up other bad deals doesn’t make anyone feel better about these crazy demands.

 

[stickty111]

If it's 6 years at around 10.5, Dubas wins this just based on the stuff we have heard during this process.
It's not good, but it's certainly manageable.

 

[deletethis]

For a certain faction of Leafs' fans when Nylander was negotiating a contract, it was all about his playmaking abilities, not a peep about his goal scoring numbers being a limiting factor.

 

[RoyalCitySlicker]

Minimum 100 points this year in a full season.

Will be tough if he misses much of camp etc. Hard to get up to speed, but I guess if there is a guy to do it, it's Mitch.

 

[MattySnipes]

Leafs Lunch advised that the leak of contract details most definitely came from the team. Andi and Dave both agreed that this was a very well played leak by management and really makes the Marner camp look bad. No one from their camp commented until Dreger tweeted 2 hours ago.