Return for Matthews in a trade

[RoadWarrior]

I would be asking his agent for 10- or 12 places that might interest him as soon as I got his number. It tells him the club is serious but also gives him input over a landing spot if he is in fact, all about the Benjamins. Particularly if they have the stones to say "here is our hard number". I wonder if that's how the last deal was cut.

you don’t start negotiations that way. It’s not how it works. First you presume that you can work out an extension and proceed along those lines for 2 or 3 weeks. If you reach an impasse then you threaten to trade him to a team he doesn’t like as a point of leverage.

 

[WTFMAN99]

That would make no sense for the Leafs. Even in an off year Matty scored at a 95pt clip At this point Fantilli and Carlson are much more likely to top out at Laine, Eichel, Reinhart at best and never get a sniff of an MVP award, never mind the possible Patrick or Puljujarvi outcomes. If the Ducks could resign him their retool advances by years and Matthews will put butts in the stands. But Fantilli would be the main high value piece I think and as others have mentioned, there needs to be money coming back.

I think California would be attractive to Matthews and the key is finding a place he is likely to re-sign at. The Ducks brain trust might not have interest simply based on the depth of the rest of their organization If they see their system as weak then immediate gratification makes no sense although the quick success of the Knights and Kraken would suggest that building with high draft picks year after year is not a requirement.

I did suggest afterwards maybe something like 2nd overall, Henrique, McTavish and a 3rd might make more sense for 28th and Matthews (willing to extend).

RD is pretty awful but could be fixed if they were willing to spend more.

 

[capfit9]

Who signs off on all moves? Is he still in charge? Asking for a friend

Then you can’t say Dubas did a good job.

 

[nuck]

Have you seen Pasta's new deal?

Looks like he talked to the Core Four of the Leafs and isn't following that outdated Bruins formula.

After the monster season he just put up for $6.7M that's way more than fair to the club. He outscored the next best Bruin by 46 points so let's talk about carrying the mail. He resigned for term at $350k more then Marner has been receiving for the least 4 years. I would love if the Leaf players would adopt this new Bruin formula and give the club a chance to compete on level ground.

 

[Cleetus]

Well Dubas is not here so he is only worth future considerations, am I doing this right?

 

[Nineteen67]

I would be asking his agent for 10- or 12 places that might interest him as soon as I got his number. It tells him the club is serious but also gives him input over a landing spot if he is in fact, all about the Benjamins. Particularly if they have the stones to say "here is our hard number". I wonder if that's how the last deal was cut.

You might get a list of two or three teams.

 

[rielledup]

I'd really consider that.

I'd really consider that.

Just curious, is it because you think Horvat is a legit number 1c?

 

[Notsince67]

A competent GM will deal him

Dubas/New GM needed/needs to deal him and not let him f*** us over

The big 4 era is purgatory. The ceiling is a 2nd round exit until JT is gone

Matthews wasnt signed 8 years and we cant wait out JT.

Move Marner+Matthews and kickstart a massive rebuild.

In 3 years we hopefully have Misa + other high end talent and can look to come up again.

Rebuild in 3?
You can't be that new at this. Holy shit I remember when the playoffs was a pipe dream. This is the shit of fantasy. You get rid of both, you get jack shit until years after the next lottery win.
Just ubsurd.

 

[Martin Skoula]

NYI

1st round pick
Bo Horvat
1 of Pelech, Pulock or Dobson

Horvat probably costs a 1st to dump at this point. If Tavares is a bad deal as a PPG C for 11 I don’t see how Horvat is good value at 8.5 for 60 points.

 

[Buds17]

I can't imagine that calibre of team being interested in Matthews without a contract extension as part of the trade. Would Matthews be willing to forgo free agency for a team currently in that predicament?

 

[Trapper]

Just curious, is it because you think Horvat is a legit number 1c?

If Matthews doesn’t want to stay, you aren’t getting a Matthews C.
I think Horvat is a solid, 2 way, 30 goal C, who with Marner on his wing, maybe could get more. He can play a hard nosed game. So can Knies, which takes some of that away from Marner.
If you are trading Matthews, you want someone who can step into the top 6 C role. Move JT to the wing and find another C.

Knies-Horvat-Marner
JT-C-Nylander
3 line that can skate, disrupt and provide some scoring.

 

[hamzarocks]

Rebuild in 3?
You can't be that new at this. Holy shit I remember when the playoffs was a pipe dream. This is the shit of fantasy. You get rid of both, you get jack shit until years after the next lottery win.
Just ubsurd.

Leafs rebuilt in 3 previously with 2014-2016 drafts

This time we have huge packages from 34/16/88 + Knies and cap space again

 

[RoadWarrior]

Leafs rebuilt in 3 previously with 2014-2016 drafts

This time we have huge packages from 34/16/88 + Knies and cap space again

This could be a fast rebuild.

 

[rielledup]

If Matthews doesn’t want to stay, you aren’t getting a Matthews C.
I think Horvat is a solid, 2 way, 30 goal C, who with Marner on his wing, maybe could get more. He can play a hard nosed game. So can Knies, which takes some of that away from Marner.
If you are trading Matthews, you want someone who can step into the top 6 C role. Move JT to the wing and find another C.

Knies-Horvat-Marner
JT-C-Nylander
3 line that can skate, disrupt and provide some scoring.

I know you aren't getting an elite c but I don't think Horvat is even an average 1c, more like a good 2c. Before this season he was never more than a 60 pt player.

I actually like the idea of trading Marner for Dobson straight up though. Islanders need help scoring and the Leafs need a high end dman. Hope that Knies can develop quickly and be a solid 50 to 60 pt top sixer next season and try and use the money you save on another solid top sixer who is big and physical. It would give the Leafs more balance and a much different loom.

 

[rielledup]

Rebuild in 3?
You can't be that new at this. Holy shit I remember when the playoffs was a pipe dream. This is the shit of fantasy. You get rid of both, you get jack shit until years after the next lottery win.
Just ubsurd.

This take doesn't make sense without knowing what the Leafs could or would get in return for the core players and how those prospects/young players would develop. You wouldn't go full rebuild without sniffing around and getting a good idea of if you could get some really high end prospects in return.

 

[the real Fox mulder]

If the Leafs are trading Matthew to Anahiem. We should target McTavish + Drydale + Vatrano + one of Ana 2nd rd pick.

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[ULF_55]

Yeah well, that is going to be 14-15 if he stays. It's that or lose him for nothing

If he is asking ...walk away.

There really are times when walking away is the best option.

 

[myleafs]

Yeah well, that is going to be 14-15 if he stays. It's that or lose him for nothing

No thank you

A competent GM will deal him

Dubas/New GM needed/needs to deal him and not let him f*** us over

The big 4 era is purgatory. The ceiling is a 2nd round exit until JT is gone

Matthews wasnt signed 8 years and we cant wait out JT.

Move Marner+Matthews and kickstart a massive rebuild.

In 3 years we hopefully have Misa + other high end talent and can look to come up again.

As sad as it is to say I cant say that that would be a bad idea.

 

[Torontonian]

Resign him, big talented centers do not grow on trees, he leaves, your trying to find the next Matthews.

 

[myleafs]

Matthews, if he agrees to extend in Anaheim for..

2nd overall
Henrique ($)

and Ideally McTavish...

I'd be willing to give them 28 too if they gave us a 3rd.

I dont mind this....you know there is a gm job available asap for someone willing to make the moves that need to be done

 

[myleafs]

If you lose Matthews and Marner you'll want ROR even at 7mx2, we have JT may as well do something.

not in a million years would I want that

 

[Buds17]

A team-friendly contract is not when you outperform your contract, it is when you sign for less than you are worth.

If it is what you think, there are hundreds of team-friendly contracts in the league.

Players aren't likely to sign for much of a term though if the belief is that the contract comes in at a value less than their worth. A team-friendly contract involves a GM making a concession on the AAV in exchange for a longer term. The player will ultimately be locked in at a bargain AAV if the GM's gamble has been proven to be correct.

 

[Stolie the Goalie]

Resign him, big talented centers do not grow on trees, he leaves, your trying to find the next Matthews.

Gotta feeling Matthews will do a Tkachuk. Signs or Gets traded to a team out in west, wins the cup in the 2-3 years.

 

[myleafs]

This is why his agent works differently than most and why it's hard to truly predict what Matthews wants.

I can see his agent coming with a ridiculously high offer if Matthews wants out.

If that's the case, you have to trade him.

I can see this even if Matthews wants to stay

 

[Torontonian]

Gotta feeling Matthews will do a Tkachuk. Signs or Gets traded to a team out in west, wins the cup in the 2-3 years.

Hopefully he tell us he doesn't plan on resigning, the thing is he lives a good life here in Toronto, much more then we would in Anahiem etc.. Matthews to me comes off of a guy that doesn't just want to play hockey, but wants to be in the spotlight.

Either way, no point in just not resigning him/trading him because as soon as you do, your looking for what you just had.