Rumor: Report: Red Wings want 1st-round pick for Nyquist, Howard

[Reddwit]

Blues should at least kick the tires on Nyquist.

Is Tank locked in with ROR? Larkin plays a similar game to ROR and Nyquist has been phenomenal on Larkin's wing. I could see him being a great fit there rather quickly. And he has the defensive awareness to play with a team's main match-up force as well. But I don't know enough about the state of St. Louis' other centers beyond that.

Also, would Bozak be a cap dump guy? As scary as it is to say this, I could see Holland interested in Bozak under certain circumstances.

As a caps fan, nyquist intrigues me.

Yeah, he'd fit. Nyquist is T-37 among all forwards in even strength points. It surprised me to see that he actually has more ESP than anyone on the Caps outside of Ovechkin.

What was the asking price for Burakovsky? Is he still available? I could see Holland seeking him over a 1st rounder. Would Nyquist + Vanek + small add do the trick?

 

[Sparky93]

Maybe it’s a miss quote and Holland is actually looking for a 1st from Nyquist + Howard, in a package.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

Neither of these players will get a first round pick. But especially Howard. Goalies are the least valuable commodity in the league as a trade chips aside from the exceptionally good ones on value contracts. And that's not Howard.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Pls

Nyquist is at best case worth a late 1st and Howard maybe a late 2nd or early 3rd

 

[Hobnobs]

Neither of these players will get a first round pick. But especially Howard. Goalies are the least valuable commodity in the league as a trade chips aside from the exceptionally good ones on value contracts. And that's not Howard.

No one has said Howard will get a first. Maybe you should read a little?

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

If all three of Panarin/Stone/Duchene are traded, I have a hard time seeing Nyquist (or any other player in that "tier" of wingers) getting a 1st.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

No one has said Howard will get a first. Maybe you should read a little?

Literally in the title that they want 1st for Howard.

Don't have time to read 8 pages of thread as I'm not unemployed and thus don't have unlimited amounts of free time.

 

[Pens x]

Howard for a first is amusing

 

[Hammettf2b]

Do people seriously think that a guy who has been a GM for 25 years, surrounded by a bunch of other veteran NHL executives, doesn’t know what he’s saying? I am not a Holland fan, but almost everything the guy says to the public is rote commentary. He’s one of the most stoic, reserved guys out there when it comes to showing his cards.

I guess we will find out if he doesn't trade them for anything other than 1st round picks.

 

[BStinson]

Literally in the title that they want 1st for Howard.

Don't have time to read 8 pages of thread as I'm not unemployed and thus don't have unlimited amounts of free time.

You don’t have to read 8 pages to know ‘want’ doesn’t mean ‘will’. Anyone that has ever bought anything of significance (e.g. house, car) will see this is as a negotiate tactic.

 

[Reddwit]

Red Wings want 1sts, but might settle for 2nds and B prospects?

It's sad how few people are able to read between the lines here.

Wings radio show tonight said if he does not get a first they will just keep Jimmy on. And so long as its year to year I'm ok with that.

What radio show? I don't know why I'm asking. They all suck and read things into Holland's words and actions that aren't there. Holland isn't going to pass on two 2nds (for example) just because he isn't getting a 1st.

Wants a first for Howard... and I want to go on a date with Kate Upton

Appa Apparently you can't grasp hyperbole either.

You going on a date with Kate Upton would be like Holland saying he wants Connor McDavid for Howard.

Bruins desperately looking for a RWer. I wonder if the Redwings would take Zboril for him to put on their LHD. Former 1st Rounder ready for the NHL.

On our NHL roster? He wouldn't make it. Detroit's defense sucks because its barren of top 3 guys but we have solid 4/5 guys coming out our ears. As for the future, he's not as good as Cholo/Hronek (and 1-2 years older) and those guys need to be full-timers next year. He'd be in the AHL this year and next, so he'd only really have value to us as a project pick.

Howard is quietly having one of the better seasons goalie-wise. He’s worth a 1st, don’t know if they will be able to get it since there probably aren’t a ton of teams bidding against each other.

Flames should just pay it, they’re a goalie away from being a pretty tough out. I remember their fans laughing at the thought of giving up anything of value for MAF. If you don’t want to pay the price for a good goalie you end up with a Mike Smith.

Yeah, I don't think anyone really expects a 1st for him, but I think Calgary and San Jose need to make that move. SJ's window could be closing soon and Calgary could re-sign him to platoon/mentor with Rittich.

Let's discuss.
A low first as you report is let's say a bottom 10 or so pick . Which of the top teams need a Howard ? A Howard to be the starter? I don't see any top team giving up a first for a guy that may never see the ice in the playoffs. Do you? Thanks . Remember we are discussing .

Ignoring the fact that Holland saying he wants a 1st does not mean he expects a 1st, no one seems to be discussing the fact that Holland wanting a 1st also doesn't mean he wouldn't add on futures to Howard in order to get it. He's not going to broadcast his entire gameplan. I suspect if he is hell-bent on a 1st, its not necessarily because he wants the 1st for the farm, but because he/ownership wants those 1sts for trade use to expedite the rebuild process.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

You don’t have to read 8 pages to know ‘want’ doesn’t mean ‘will’. Anyone that has ever bought anything of significance (e.g. house, car) will see this is as a negotiate tactic.

That is correct. I choose what to devote my finite time to. I chose to respond to the title, but chose not to read 8 pages of this thread.

Of course "want" doesn't mean "will," but I chose to explain why the WANT WILL not happen.

Understand?

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

Looks like things are getting serious. The other night, Sportsnet reported that the Wings have asked Nyquist for a list of teams he'd waive for.

Today, this:



Would be a helluva coincidence.

 

[Reddwit]

I guess we will find out if he doesn't trade them for anything other than 1st round picks.

Not being traded for a 1st doesn't mean he received solid offers that he turned down. Like I said, he's not going to pass on a couple of 2nds or a pick and a prospect he covets. But if he gets offered nothing more than packaged late picks or polarizing prospects he's a skeptic of, then it doesn't make sense to move a guy who still has use to you in the next few years and doesn't command a long-term deal.

 

[BStinson]

That is correct. I choose what to devote my finite time to. I chose to respond to the title, but chose not to read 8 pages of this thread.

Of course "want" doesn't mean "will," but I chose to explain why the WANT WILL not happen.

Understand?

Hence why I explained it in business terms since the NHL = a business. Understand?

 

[Hobnobs]

Literally in the title that they want 1st for Howard.

Don't have time to read 8 pages of thread as I'm not unemployed and thus don't have unlimited amounts of free time.

How can you be employed when you dont know the difference between "want" and "will get". You must the worst paid employee...

 

[Reddwit]

Looks like things are getting serious. The other night, Sportsnet reported that the Wings have asked Nyquist for a list of teams he'd waive for.

Today, this:



Would be a helluva coincidence.

Nyquist has only missed 6 games since becoming an NHL regular 6 seasons ago, and they all came in one season from one injury. Would be a huge coincidence indeed.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

How can you be employed when you dont know the difference between "want" and "will get". You must the worst paid employee...

What?

I know the difference between the two. I simply responded to the want of the Detroit Red Wings by saying what will happen in reality. Wants have no relevance if the market value doesn't reciprocate.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

Hence why I explained it in business terms since the NHL = a business. Understand?

Great. That's exactly what I did in the first place, by saying that they will not get the first round pick they want for him. IE the invisible hand of the market will not satisfy their wants.

Why are you asking me if I understand a concept I clearly stated?

 

[Hobnobs]

What?

I know the difference between the two. I simply responded to the want of the Detroit Red Wings by saying what will happen in reality. Wants have no relevance if the market value doesn't reciprocate.

So if you understand market concepts so good because you're "employed", you should know why someone sets a price that is clearly above market value, right?

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

So if you understand market concepts so good because you're "employed", you should know why someone sets a price that is clearly above market value, right?

That's irrelevant to what I posted. The Red Wings could set the price for Howard at McDavid, and my post would still be applicable if you switch out 1st round pick for McDavid.

 

[Hobnobs]

That's irrelevant to what I posted. The Red Wings could set the price for Howard at McDavid, and my post would still be applicable if you switch out 1st round pick for McDavid.

Yes, thats why people responded. Because you were stating something so obvious and then bragging about being employed. Dude, everyone here inlcuding Wings fans and Holland knows no one is going to offer a first unless Chia or Milbury gets a gm job.

 

[BStinson]

Great. That's exactly what I did in the first place, by saying that they will not get the first round pick they want for him. IE the invisible hand of the market will not satisfy their wants.

Why are you asking me if I understand a concept I clearly stated?

The first post I read of yours was essentially “neither of these players will get a 1st. Escpecially Howard since he is a goalie and isn’t on a value contract.” That doesn’t mean you understand how negotiating works but maybe you posted earlier (I didn’t read the entire thread).

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

Yes, thats why people responded. Because you were stating something so obvious and then bragging about being employed. Dude, everyone here inlcuding Wings fans and Holland knows no one is going to offer a first unless Chia or Milbury gets a gm job.

So you can't respond to a title that says something outrageous because it's "obvious?" In that case, what's the point of this thread? Because neither of those two are worth the wants the wings want.

And I wasn't bragging about being employed. You effectively asked me why I didn't read the 8 pages and I told you that I have finite amounts of free time due to work and I don't find it useful of my free time to read 8 pages talking about a player who isn't on my favorite team.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

The first post I read of yours was essentially “neither of these players will get a 1st. Escpecially Howard since he is a goalie and isn’t on a value contract.” That doesn’t mean you understand how negotiating works but maybe you posted earlier (I didn’t read the entire thread).

I know how negotiating works perfectly. How is that relevant to my post? I know teams start that ask high, but that doesn't change the fact that Howard won't get a first or anywhere close. I'm not wrong.

What point are you making here?