Rumor: Report: Red Wings want 1st-round pick for Nyquist, Howard

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Classic HF **** post. Your player sucks and bad luck in the playoffs because you dont agree with our value.

LMFAO Our players suck, Yeah a few of them do. Larkin hardly sucks Cholowski and Hronek will be good. Have tons of good players coming up in the next few years. But yeah if you want a 1st round exit. That's fine by us nothing to see here move on.

 

[Sparksrus3]

Howard for low first

Let's discuss.
A low first as you report is let's say a bottom 10 or so pick . Which of the top teams need a Howard ? A Howard to be the starter? I don't see any top team giving up a first for a guy that may never see the ice in the playoffs. Do you? Thanks . Remember we are discussing .

 

[LAKings88]

Everyone wants a first.

There are only so many to give.

Guaranteed to get one:
Panarin
Duchene
Stone
Huberdeau

Probably get one:
Simmonds
Nyquist
Hayes
Silfverberg

Others:
Zuccarello
Ferland
Dzingel

I’m sure I’ve left players off. These are just forwards too. A very flooded forward market. Then you factor how many contenders there are actually willing to make those moves.

Good luck.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

If Holland can get a 2nd round pick for Howard even at half retention, He should be jumping for joy.

 

[Leafs87]

Nyquist probably will get it. Howard probably not. Is any playoff team even in the market for a goalie right now ?

 

[Patty Ice]

LMFAO Our players suck, Yeah a few of them do. Larkin hardly sucks Cholowski and Hronek will be good. Have tons of good players coming up in the next few years. But yeah if you want a 1st round exit. That's fine by us nothing to see here move on.

The only thing to see in your post is the complete lack of reading comprehension.

In no way did I disparage any Red Wing. You are just so blinded by false outrage, it is all you see

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

The only goalie I’d pay a 1st for is Quick. I have zero interest in Howard.

 

[Makar Goes Fast]

problem with nyqvist return is there are just too many better forwards that will take a first. there is no way a goalie rental will get a 1st. teams who could afford it just dont need it (i dont see bob getting a first either. although his return if traded will be very different i would assume).

edit: afford = playoff team willing to trade their first.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Holland should take whatever he can get for Howard. This team isn't making the playoffs while Howard is a viable starter. I would also try to trade Green.

Howard should get 2nd+3rd, Nyquist a mid-1st. I am ok with that. Get as many firsts and seconds as you can, if you luck into a top two pick draft Hughes or Kakko and then take defensemen with every other pick.

 

[Tkachuky]

LMFAO Our players suck, Yeah a few of them do. Larkin hardly sucks Cholowski and Hronek will be good. Have tons of good players coming up in the next few years. But yeah if you want a 1st round exit. That's fine by us nothing to see here move on.

So basically having Nyquist in the Flames would result in not going out first round. Good stuff.

What makes him better than what we have in Calgary?

 

[Dotter]

Ken Holland should just re-sign Jimmy Howard to 1 year deals. It's not like they have a goalie to replace him right now. He's top-5 in the league right over any goalie that played as many games as him this season.

 

[Reddwit]

Should have never made the ask public especially with the notion that teams are prob not going to pay it

Do people seriously think that a guy who has been a GM for 25 years, surrounded by a bunch of other veteran NHL executives, doesn’t know what he’s saying? I am not a Holland fan, but almost everything the guy says to the public is rote commentary. He’s one of the most stoic, reserved guys out there when it comes to showing his cards.

 

[Hockeyfannnn91]

So basically having Nyquist in the Flames would result in not going out first round. Good stuff.

What makes him better than what we have in Calgary?

It’s your goalie situation that will result in you being outed first round, need an upgrade don’t care if it’s howard or quick or who ever but a 38 yr old struggling smith and a. 26 yr old with no experience will do the trick

 

[BlueSeal]

Blues should at least kick the tires on Nyquist.

 

[Lunatik]

He's better then what you've in Calgary now, But then again if you want a 1st round exit that's fine by us.

Even if Howard I s better, which I don't believe, that doesn't make the upgrade with the price being asked. It's a pretty and simple basic concept that you can't seem to grasp.

A first of Howard is more realistic, Then you going on a date with Kate Upton. Seeing that she's married to Justin Verlander.

Apparently you can't grasp hyperbole either.

 

[ALee10]

As a caps fan, nyquist intrigues me.

 

[Newsworthy]

The wings will get those 1sts or the teams wanting the players can go pound sand down a rathole.

Then we go somewhere else for a goalie.

 

[Reddwit]

problem with nyqvist return is there are just too many better forwards that will take a first. there is no way a goalie rental will get a 1st. teams who could afford it just dont need it (i dont see bob getting a first either. although his return if traded will be very different i would assume).

edit: afford = playoff team willing to trade their first.

I don't think there are "too many," mainly because Duchene/Stone/Panarin are atypical deadline acquisitions. Panarin may not get moved, but if he does, it may not be for a 1st+ but a top six roster player to compensate for his loss. And if he is moved for a 1st+, then Columbus might turn around and flip that 1st to someone else, which essentially just puts another 1st right back on the table.

Then you have Duchene and Stone, who could get moved to a team that has been allowed to negotiate an extension with them. If that happens, then the acquiring team isn't necessarily going to be a bona fide contender but could be a bubble team right now and/or one that is trending in the right direction such that its still an attractive team/market for them to re-sign in. That could open up their trade options to half the league - teams that wouldn't spend assets on any legit deadline UFAs otherwise.

TLDR - This year's cream of the crop is so atypical/costly that they might not be a comparable market for those seeking the usual UFA deadline upgrades.

Either way, I wouldn't expect Nyquist to get a 1st straight up (I don't think Howard gets a 1st whatsoever unless he goes in a package). Something like Nyquist + DET 2019 3rd for Contender's 1st + 5th.

 

[TatarTangle]

Ken Holland should just re-sign Jimmy Howard to 1 year deals. It's not like they have a goalie to replace him right now. He's top-5 in the league right over any goalie that played as many games as him this season.

Be that as it may he's still cabbage and worth at the most, a 3rd round draft pick. Trust me, I play Beer League D level!

 

[Deen]

How about Kronwall to Calgary?

 

[TS Quint]

Nyquist on pace for 70 points. Should get that pretty easily.

Howard is the one that's far fetched. More or less Holland sending a message that he's keeping Jimmy unless you blow his mind.

I think goaltenders have low trade value compared to the actual value to the team. I can't imagine going into next year with Bernier as the starter and there is nothing resembling a future starter in the system. So unless there is an overpayment coming back it's not worth it.

Edit: now I see this a month old thread. Point still stands.

 

[benedictTavares]

Who are these teams that are willing to trade a 1st for Howard? LOL

Nyquist has a chance at a late 1st for sure.

 

[Dotter]

Then we go somewhere else for a goalie.

 

[benedictTavares]

What playoff team is even looking to add a Goalie?

 

[BStinson]

Who are these teams that are willing to trade a 1st for Howard? LOL

Nyquist has a chance at a late 1st for sure.

Pretty sure it’s just a negotiation tactic...