Raptors Discussion: REPORT: Raptors trade DeRozan, Poeltl, Protected 1st to Spurs for Leonard, Green

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2005 called...it wants its....nonsense back.

I mean, the guy did just spent a season disrespecting the Spurs, probably one of the most respected franchises in all of sports. I just don't see him showing up here and putting a full effort in. It wouldn't just be a Raptors problem either, if this guy doesn't land where he wants there will be more drama to follow.
 
I mean, the guy did just spent a season disrespecting the Spurs, probably one of the most respected franchises in all of sports. I just don't see him showing up here and putting a full effort in. It wouldn't just be a Raptors problem either, if this guy doesn't land where he wants there will be more drama to follow.

Well, there's a significant amount more to the story than that. His distaste and unwillingness to remain in San Antonio has far more to do with his relationship with management and the coaching staff. It soured considerably over his injury situation, and when he should or should not be returning.

I find it funny how quickly the narrative on Kawhi, once portrayed as the rare quiet, lunchpale, NBA superstar, has now changed into the malcontent, spoiled, uppity (yep, I said it) NBA player. Funny, yet unsurprised given how people turned on Lebron and Durant.
 
For me the perfect trade for Leonard (if we wanted to go that route) would be:

(Checked on ESPN trade machine)

To Spurs:
OG
Poetl
Wright
Powell
Ibaka (salary)
1st Round pick 2019

To Toronto:
K. Leonard
Aldridge

Sign Vince

JV
Aldridge
Leonard
Derozan
Lowry

Bebe
Siakam
Miles
Carter
FVV
 
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Wow! I'm completely disagree. Leonard should be our focus.

The way i look at it is you had DD for 5 years of playoffs, yet we didn't salvage a final, this team cannot rebuild; retooling is the only option. BC of the economics... And so. Lakers didn't want to go that route too, and others are following suit. NBA isn't about development anymore. You stack the cards!

I really think Masai is gonna make a blockbuster deal with KL/Aldridge.
 
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Well, there's a significant amount more to the story than that. His distaste and unwillingness to remain in San Antonio has far more to do with his relationship with management and the coaching staff. It soured considerably over his injury situation, and when he should or should not be returning.

I find it funny how quickly the narrative on Kawhi, once portrayed as the rare quiet, lunchpale, NBA superstar, has now changed into the malcontent, spoiled, uppity (yep, I said it) NBA player. Funny, yet unsurprised given how people turned on Lebron and Durant.

Actions speak louder than words, and once Kawhi stopped talking and just disappeared for the rest of the season it wasn't exactly giving off a good impression. Then you hear stuff like the reports of the Spurs trying to check up on him while his people shuffled him around the building so they wouldn't cross paths. Crazy stuff. There's probably a LOT to the story but from the outside looking in it doesn't look good on Kawhi.
 
I find it funny how quickly the narrative on Kawhi, once portrayed as the rare quiet, lunchpale, NBA superstar, has now changed into the malcontent, spoiled, uppity (yep, I said it) NBA player. Funny, yet unsurprised given how people turned on Lebron and Durant.

Agreed. But I don't care...its about winning and this team has frustrated me for the past 6 years, time to take as risk. If others are stacking the odds against wshy not do the same? Go for it!

I was a proponent of Casey being fired last season. Ujiri waited too long. Sometimes a new voice is what's needed.
 
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For me the perfect trade for Leonard (if we wanted to go that route) would be:

(Checked on ESPN trade machine)

To Spurs:
OG
Poetl
Wright
Powell
Ibaka (salary)
1st Round pick 2019

To Toronto:
K. Leonard
Aldridge

Sign Vince

JV
Aldridge
Leonard
Derozan
Lowry

Bebe
Siakam
Miles
Carter
FVV

Demasiado.

Actions speak louder than words, and once Kawhi stopped talking and just disappeared for the rest of the season it wasn't exactly giving off a good impression. Then you hear stuff like the reports of the Spurs trying to check up on him while his people shuffled him around the building so they wouldn't cross paths. Crazy stuff. There's probably a LOT to the story but from the outside looking in it doesn't look good on Kawhi.

Sure it doesn't look good. And who knows who's version of the story is correct.

Does that mean it will dictate the price I pay in trade? Yes (it Pejorative Slurs the value required to acquire the player). Does it mean the player is going to be upset, or somehow not report or play? No. That's an assumption based on very little information.
 
Masai is just doing everything that smart GMs should be doing. Hes exploiting a weakness in the market. Kawhi IS a top 10 at the absolute worst, giving ppl too much credit, and hes not #10. So a top 10 player is on the market and the names that are being thrown out are incredibly low in return on a player of his caliber. If Masai can pull this off without losing DD or KL, hes a star. Kawhi doesnt sit last yr and plays, continues his obvious dominance, whats his value? It sure aint the things Toronto might be giving up.

What if hes a 1 yr rental. Who cares. Basketball has the highest turnaround of any sport esp with the 12-15 person roster. If he leaves, our core is gonna be older and a major fire sale is gonna happen anyways. What if he pulls a PG13 and stays? No one thought George would stay in OKC over LAL but he liked it there so hes remaining. Torontos a great city, dont see why Kawhi (albeit cold) would dislike it

Anyways, get Kawhi!!!
 
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Masai is just doing everything that smart GMs should be doing. Hes exploiting a weakness in the market. Kawhi IS a top 10 at the absolute worst, giving ppl too much credit, and hes not #10. So a top 10 player is on the market and the names that are being thrown out are incredibly low in return on a player of his caliber. If Masai can pull this off without losing DD or KL, hes a star. Kawhi doesnt sit last yr and plays, continues his obvious dominance, whats his value? It sure aint the things Toronto might be giving up.

What if hes a 1 yr rental. Who cares. Basketball has the highest turnaround of any sport esp with the 12-15 person roster. If he leaves, our core is gonna be older and a major fire sale is gonna happen anyways. What if he pulls a PG13 and stays? No one thought George would stay in OKC over LAL but he liked it there so hes remaining. Torontos a great city, dont see why Kawhi (albeit cold) would dislike it

Anyways, get Kawhi!!!

How did the Nets make out with that?
 
Well, there's a significant amount more to the story than that. His distaste and unwillingness to remain in San Antonio has far more to do with his relationship with management and the coaching staff. It soured considerably over his injury situation, and when he should or should not be returning.

I find it funny how quickly the narrative on Kawhi, once portrayed as the rare quiet, lunchpale, NBA superstar, has now changed into the malcontent, spoiled, uppity (yep, I said it) NBA player. Funny, yet unsurprised given how people turned on Lebron and Durant.

I don't think the race angle plays in your examples. People turned on Durant because he joined a 73-team and ruined the competitive league balance, people turned on Lebron when he did the same thing with Miami (note that people have moved past it and like Lebron again), and KL refusing to let the Spurs doctors touch him, refusing to speak to Pop/teammates and demanding a trade because he felt disrespected when his teammates went public with wanting him to return last season has turned a few people against him too. All understandable.

I don't think race is an issue in the NBA in general, to be honest. It might be in hockey (I still don't know what PK did wrong in MTL), and possibly in baseball (Stro's has been picked apart over some harmless tweets on this very board), and arguably in the NFL with the kneeling thing...but not in the NBA.
 
And to be fair the spurs attacking him in the media with Parker commenting on how his injury was worse or pop deflecting questions to KLs team was kinda amateur, I was surprised and shocked to hear that so I can only imagine what KL felt. There’s a lot of blame to go around on both sides there
 
Oh, and if we can get KL by giving up only one of Paskal/OG and keeping our picks (other than the 2019 1st which I'm ok parting with), we should definitely go for it. George was seemingly a lock to sign in LA a year ago, but after spending a year in OKC changed his mind. If we can convince KL to do the same - we're setting us up to be a real contender for the next 5-6 years. If he leaves, we can move our vets and tank for the stacked 2020-2021 drafts.

Getting Tavares here has been amazing...landing both Tavares and KL in the same off season would be otherworldly.
 
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I don't think the race angle plays in your examples. People turned on Durant because he joined a 73-team and ruined the competitive league balance, people turned on Lebron when he did the same thing with Miami (note that people have moved past it and like Lebron again), and KL refusing to let the Spurs doctors touch him, refusing to speak to Pop/teammates and demanding a trade because he felt disrespected when his teammates went public with wanting him to return last season has turned a few people against him too. All understandable.

I don't think race is an issue in the NBA in general, to be honest. It might be in hockey (I still don't know what PK did wrong in MTL), and possibly in baseball (Stro's has been picked apart over some harmless tweets on this very board), and arguably in the NFL with the kneeling thing...but not in the NBA.

where did he bring up race?
 
i was reading up on Andrew Wiggins and now Minny seems to be second guessing signing him last year to that fat contract lol. Has he not developed? Whats minnesotas issues? Owners are really dumb many times signing players to HUGE contracts.
 
I don't think the race angle plays in your examples. People turned on Durant because he joined a 73-team and ruined the competitive league balance, people turned on Lebron when he did the same thing with Miami (note that people have moved past it and like Lebron again), and KL refusing to let the Spurs doctors touch him, refusing to speak to Pop/teammates and demanding a trade because he felt disrespected when his teammates went public with wanting him to return last season has turned a few people against him too. All understandable.

I don't think race is an issue in the NBA in general, to be honest. It might be in hockey (I still don't know what PK did wrong in MTL), and possibly in baseball (Stro's has been picked apart over some harmless tweets on this very board), and arguably in the NFL with the kneeling thing...but not in the NBA.

I think the Spurs are just in uncharted territory and they don't know how to handle it. For 25 years they were built around three of the most selfless, team-first players in NBA history -Robinson, Duncan, Ginobili- who spent their entire careers in a Spurs uniform. But now the foundation is crumbling and they're feeling the small-market squeeze that half the teams in the league go through, for the first time in a couple decades.
 
Anyone and everyone is expendable when you are talking about acquiring the kind of talent that can win an MVP award in the NBA. Raptors are a couple of years away from a rebuild when Derozan and Lowry's contracts are done. So why not get a super star and go for it? Lebron is gone and Raptors can win the East.
 
i was reading up on Andrew Wiggins and now Minny seems to be second guessing signing him last year to that fat contract lol. Has he not developed? Whats minnesotas issues? Owners are really dumb many times signing players to HUGE contracts.

He has no floor game, incredibly inefficient and looks disinterested most of the time

Very disappointing because we grew up in the same area and I've met his father a few times (very nice).
 
Aww okay. Interesting. I guess it has something to do with his personality? I’ve seen him on interviews and seems very laid back. Maybe that’s part?
 
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