Raptors Discussion: REPORT: Raptors trade DeRozan, Poeltl, Protected 1st to Spurs for Leonard, Green

[Glenn Isildur Healy]

Anyone and everyone is expendable when you are talking about acquiring the kind of talent that can win an MVP award in the NBA. Raptors are a couple of years away from a rebuild when Derozan and Lowry's contracts are done. So why not get a super star and go for it? Lebron is gone and Raptors can win the East.

Pretty much my opinion
We can stay status quo and we'll be a 2nd round exit again and in 2 years, our team will start over
Or we can take a risk but a risk for a top 5 player when healthy (at age 27) who could possibly get us to an NBA finals

 

[Glenn Isildur Healy]

Aww okay. Interesting. I guess it has something to do with his personality? I’ve seen him on interviews and seems very laid back. Maybe that’s part?

Very laid back
He always got by with his athleticism
Let's not forget, he was a good college player but not dominant by any stretch
Teams banked on him having the work ethic to raise his game once he reached the NBA

 

[Glenn Isildur Healy]

If anyone watched our summer league game yesterday
Last possession, 4th quarter, I sincerely hope that's not a sign of how Nick Nurse runs his plays because that was awful

 

[trellaine201]

Cleveland dominating the Raptors. Heard this line before.

Raps scored 4pts in the 3rd quarter.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

I don't think the race angle plays in your examples. People turned on Durant because he joined a 73-team and ruined the competitive league balance, people turned on Lebron when he did the same thing with Miami (note that people have moved past it and like Lebron again), and KL refusing to let the Spurs doctors touch him, refusing to speak to Pop/teammates and demanding a trade because he felt disrespected when his teammates went public with wanting him to return last season has turned a few people against him too. All understandable.

I don't think race is an issue in the NBA in general, to be honest. It might be in hockey (I still don't know what PK did wrong in MTL), and possibly in baseball (Stro's has been picked apart over some harmless tweets on this very board), and arguably in the NFL with the kneeling thing...but not in the NBA.

Well this is a much longer discussion that should probably be had on another forum. However, Major North American sport is steeped in race, whether we like to see it or not. It applies more to the NBA than it does in the NHL, believe it or not.

The NBA is profoundly unique because its superstars are consistently African American, while the prevailing portion of the fanbase is Caucasian. Further, stars in the NBA have, over the last two decades or so, risen to become the most powerful within their league and how it operates (i.e. calling their shot, saying where they want to go, exercising their right to free agency, etc.). People hate that.

Then there's the other factor of Lebron (or KD, etc.) dominating another persons team (for example the Raptors). I literally saw multiple people in this very thread refer to Lebron as an 'Alpha Gorilla'.

Anyway, I digress. We can talk about it in an OT or something sometime.

 

[Jozay]

I dont get why Kawhi is getting a premium, when other expiring stars didnt get nearly as much.

People are including Demar + OG +. It makes no sense to me, I get that Demar to Kawhi is an upgrade, but I want Kawhi to add on top of Lowry and Demar.

Chris Paul didnt get nearly anything close to that, neither did Paul George. I realize Kawhi is better than both, but I dont the gap is so big that the differences in deals should be that significant.

Why is it different with Kawhi?

 

[Apotheosis]

Kawhi is not coming here.

 

[Darcy Tucker]

Kawhi is not coming here.

If he does its only for 1 year then he's a UFA. Kawhy bother?

 

[trellaine201]

Probably due to a full rebuild anyways in a year or two.

 

[AllDay28]

i dont think what Toronto is giving up is gonna be that earth shattering and thats why Masai is in on it.

 

[trellaine201]

Don’t other teams have much more to offer?

 

[hockeywiz542]

Kawhi is not coming here.

Making an appearance on ESPN’s Lowe Post podcast, Windhorst told Zach Lowe that the Raptors have moved up the pecking order by virtue of the Lakers and Sixers having given up.

“Toronto Raptors … I think they’re in the driver’s seat for Kawhi because I think the Lakers have given up, the Sixers have given up, and with the Nets, Bulls and Hawks spending their cap space it makes it harder to assemble a multi-team trade.”

If you thought the Raptors had no shot at Kawhi Leonard and that the earlier reports of the San Antonio Spurs superstar possibly being traded to Canada’s only team were just reporters blowing smoke, ESPN’s Zach Lowe would like to have a word with you.

“I’ve seen a lot of snark on Twitter that the Raptors stuff is a joke, that the odds went up because of something I said on my podcast and you said on TV,” Lowe said. “I’ve seen it being dismissed. It may not happen, most NBA trades don’t happen, but if you think it’s a joke, you should probably recalibrate your expectations.”

 

[LeafSteel]

Without an extension in place, this would be incredibly short sighted.

We aren’t in win now mode to give up significant future and current assets for 1 year asset who won’t re-sign.

Masai knows this........... I hope.

 

[MR4]

Without an extension in place, this would be incredibly short sighted.

We aren’t in win now mode to give up significant future and current assets for 1 year asset who won’t re-sign.

Masai knows this........... I hope.

Top 2 players are UFAs with a wide open East, how is that not the time for win now? Half the league is rebuilding, we aren't guaranteed shit if we do

 

[Le Cobra]

What’s the deadline for making a deal for Kawhi?

 

[BlueForever75]

If the Raps do get Leonard I am hoping it doesn't include DD. I just don't think it would be wise to include him in the deal. If we can acquire him without DD being involved it may raise DD's value come next off season because if Leonard plays as he can it will only increase the type of play of the players around him.

I wouldn't mind a deal around Ibaka, Poertle, Powell and 1st Rounder this coming draft. But that's it. OG to me is non-starter, so is Siakam. To me that is the only 2 players that have talent for the Raps in the future. If Masai can get a deal done while keeping Lowry, DD, JV, Siakam, OG and FVF. That's the only way I make the trade. Only because of Leonard becoming a FA after this coming season.

If Leonard is willing to resign after this season, then I would trade Lowry or DD. Their values should be better, playing with Leonard and on shorter deals.

 

[Brobust]

Kawhi to Toronto could turn out to be something like Jeff Carter to Columbus.

There could be some real buyer's remorse if they end up giving up OG or Siakam.

 

[BlueForever75]

Kawhi to Toronto could turn out to be something like Jeff Carter to Columbus.

There could be some real buyer's remorse if they end up giving up OG or Siakam.

This is why I wouldn't if I was the Raps. In the end everyone is speculating that the Lakers are out and the Sixers are as well. Both willing to take their chances on signing him for free next off season. So why give up anything now.

If there is no one else in the running, why would we give SAS what they want. If they want to deal the distraction its at our price not theirs. If not, let them deal with Leonard this season. We have some useful parts to give them. But it wont be the key young pieces that they want, and if it were I it wouldn't be DD or JV either. Its Ibaka, Poertle, Powell and a 1st Rounder this coming draft. Not 2 drafts from now!!!! Next draft. Why??? Because next draft with Leonard, DD, Lowry, JV, Siakam, OG, etc... we will still win 50+ games and the pick will be a low one. Draft after that???? Without Leonard? Not so confident.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

Don’t other teams have much more to offer?

Its like you ignore the whole "no team had more players under 26 years old with 1.0 Vorp or better in 17/18" consistently.

 

[inthe6ix]

If the Raps do get Leonard I am hoping it doesn't include DD. I just don't think it would be wise to include him in the deal. If we can acquire him without DD being involved it may raise DD's value come next off season because if Leonard plays as he can it will only increase the type of play of the players around him.

I wouldn't mind a deal around Ibaka, Poertle, Powell and 1st Rounder this coming draft. But that's it. OG to me is non-starter, so is Siakam. To me that is the only 2 players that have talent for the Raps in the future. If Masai can get a deal done while keeping Lowry, DD, JV, Siakam, OG and FVF. That's the only way I make the trade. Only because of Leonard becoming a FA after this coming season.

If Leonard is willing to resign after this season, then I would trade Lowry or DD. Their values should be better, playing with Leonard and on shorter deals.

The only way KL comes is if Lowry or DD are involved - you're not getting him with at least giving up one of those, and it's probably DD going the other way ++ although I thought I remember Kyle wanting to play for Pop and the Spurs didn't offer him a contract prior to his extension here.

Agree with most though, if Leonard isn't signed up long-term, it's a horrible deal to make for a guy who is walking after one season, at which point Magic said he'll just scoop him up as a UFA when he becomes available.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

The only way KL comes is if Lowry or DD are involved - you're not getting him with at least giving up one of those, and it's probably DD going the other way ++ although I thought I remember Kyle wanting to play for Pop and the Spurs didn't offer him a contract prior to his extension here.

Agree with most though, if Leonard isn't signed up long-term, it's a horrible deal to make for a guy who is walking after one season, at which point Magic said he'll just scoop him up as a UFA when he becomes available.

Explain this thought process to me.

 

[tmlfan98]

Sources: Leonard considers USA hoops camp

According to this link, the Spurs asking price is an all-star (Lowry/DD), a high potential young player (OG), plus picks.

Hopefully that's the asking price for a sign and trade, otherwise Masai should get off the driver's seat.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

...and whom comes with Kawhi to match the salary in the deal....

 

[Erndog]

...and whom comes with Kawhi to match the salary in the deal....

Danny Green?

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

Danny Green?

Would have to be.