Reid Boucher pleads guilty to sex crime involving 12 year old

[BiolaRunner]

True. But I was answering that moreso as to why the parents didn’t go to the police and an investigation occurs. If all the parents got was that something happened, but none of the details, there’s nothing they can do. Plus just going to the police doesn’t automatically result in charges anyway. Just in general, a 17 year old and a 12 year old having sex isn’t illegal.

I know. I was giving another possible reason why the parents didn't go to the police

 

[Sun God Nika]

Capital punishment - Wikipedia

I feel like killing someone you can safely remove from society is worse than being a rapist.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

I feel like killing someone you can safely remove from society is worse than being a rapist.

Yeah we should pay for child rapists to live for decades good idea

 

[Jets4Life]

The only reason I can see the parents not going to the police is if they thought it was consensual. In that case, it’s just “get him out of the house”, because it’s not against the law for sex to occur between two people of that age. And seeing she was 12, I’m sure it woulda been hard enough to tell them it happened at all, let alone all of the circumstances that went with it. I know when I was 12 I didn’t even like telling my parents we were taking Sex Ed in school. I definitely wouldn’t be able to tell them I had sex, forced or not.

I very much doubt the parents thought it was consensual. It's far more likely that the US National Development team management would ahve promised to discipline Boucher and talk the parents out of pressing charges, and given the victim was 12 years old, they did what many families would do, decide against criminal charges, for the fear of what psychological damage it would do to a 12 year old girl to not only put her on the stand, but possibly have it dragged through the media (in today's age of social media, its unfortunately easy to find details of underage people in the judicial system).

I've seen the victims social media account, and she seems credible.

 

[Jets4Life]

I hate when people say this stuff, there is no statistic that backs this up because there is no way of actually knowing something like that.

1 in 10 sexual assaults reported to Police in Canada result in a conviction:

From arrest to conviction: Court case outcomes of police-reported sexual assaults in Canada, 2009 to 2014

I thought it was widely known that only a fraction of actual sexual assaults are reported to Police, so the ratio of actual sexual assaults to convictions is likely 100:1. For male victims the number is far higher, given society's attitude to male victims of sexual assault.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

I very much doubt the parents thought it was consensual. It's far more likely that the US National Development team management would ahve promised to discipline, and given the victim was 12 years old, they did what many families would do, decide against criminal charges, for the fear of what psychological damage it would do to a 12 year old girl to not only put her on the stand, but possibly have it dragged through the media (in today's age of social media, its unfortunately easy to find details of underage people in the judicial system).

I've seen the victims social media account, and she seems credible.

Who knows? None of us were there. I’m just looking at it from the outside and trying to be subjective. Regardless, what he did is horrible, and he should get punished severely.

But from what I can tell, she didn’t even tell her parents. She told her friends, who in turn told their parents. And if I were the friends parents, I sure as hell am not asking the girl what happened. That would be just as awkward

 

[authentic]

Yeah we should pay for child rapists to live for decades good idea

If the guy was a fully mature adult I would say lock him up for life. Considering he was still a kid himself (I wouldn't even consider 18-20 year olds adults) being content with him being sentenced to death isn't any better than what he did. He was old enough to know better and should still face serious consequences and especially mental treatment, but death? That's a tough one to justify.

 

[Furio]

Such an egregiously lenient sentence

 

[Selyanin]

Just in general, a 17 year old and a 12 year old having sex isn’t illegal.

Is the age of consent really 12 in the USA? If not, how can you legally have sex with someone who can't give consent?

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Is the age of consent really 12 in the USA? If not, how can you legally have sex with someone who can't give consent?

It varies from state to state, usually it’s 16, but it also applies to sex with adults (and there’s usually an age difference thing given [eg. 3 years]) but 17 is not considered “adult” in every state. There’s no national age of consent law in the US though. Other than trafficking across borders, sex crimes are dealt with at the state level, hence why there’s no national law. There should be, and I doubt you’ll find many Americans who would disagree with that if you took a random poll.

So in this instance, with no funny business (no alcohol, drugs, or blackmail) it would not be illegal, because neither person was an adult. Squicky as f***, tho.

 

[Kimota]

The guy is straight out a bad person. Not only do that to a child but blackmailing her and scaring her for life. No sympathy.

 

[Tao Jersey Jones]

It varies from state to state, usually it’s 16, but it also applies to sex with adults (and there’s usually an age difference thing given [eg. 3 years]) but 17 is not considered “adult” in every state. There’s no national age of consent law in the US though. Other than trafficking across borders, sex crimes are dealt with at the state level, hence why there’s no national law. There should be, and I doubt you’ll find many Americans who would disagree with that if you took a random poll.

So in this instance, with no funny business (no alcohol, drugs, or blackmail) it would not be illegal, because neither person was an adult. Squicky as f***, tho.

Alcohol and coercion were involved.

 

[Sun God Nika]

Yeah we should pay for child rapists to live for decades good idea

Yes as a society we should rehabilitate rather than punish its common sense.

 

[Tao Jersey Jones]

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Alcohol and coercion were involved.

I know it was. It’s like you didn’t even read what I said, but instead wanted to try to tell me I’m wrong.

 

[Caeldan]

It varies from state to state, usually it’s 16, but it also applies to sex with adults (and there’s usually an age difference thing given [eg. 3 years]) but 17 is not considered “adult” in every state. There’s no national age of consent law in the US though. Other than trafficking across borders, sex crimes are dealt with at the state level, hence why there’s no national law. There should be, and I doubt you’ll find many Americans who would disagree with that if you took a random poll.

So in this instance, with no funny business (no alcohol, drugs, or blackmail) it would not be illegal, because neither person was an adult. Squicky as f***, tho.

Not how that works. There is an age where even the age differential doesn't matter(and typically it's only 2 years from what I recall, if it exists for a state at all) and on top of that I don't believe there's a single state where the aoc is 12 at this point.

On top of that, at an absolute minimum - child porn charges would be on the table for having a sexualized video of a 12 year old, regardless of the age difference.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Yes as a society we should rehabilitate rather than punish its common sense.

This is not something you can rehabilitate so I strongly disagree

If the guy was a fully mature adult I would say lock him up for life. Considering he was still a kid himself (I wouldn't even consider 18-20 year olds adults) being content with him being sentenced to death isn't any better than what he did. He was old enough to know better and should still face serious consequences and especially mental treatment, but death? That's a tough one to justify.

I do not agree

 

[Tao Jersey Jones]

I know it was. It’s like you didn’t even read what I said, but instead wanted to try to tell me I’m wrong.

Excuse me. I read what you wrote. I read your use of "in this instance" as referring to the incident in the thread topic.

I'm sorry if I made you feel victimized. That's not something I wanted to do, despite your supposition.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Not how that works. There is an age where even the age differential doesn't matter(and typically it's only 2 years from what I recall, if it exists for a state at all) and on top of that I don't believe there's a single state where the aoc is 12 at this point.

On top of that, at an absolute minimum - child porn charges would be on the table for having a sexualized video of a 12 year old, regardless of the age difference.

The age difference is from AOC, because otherwise there’s a lot of “rapists” in high school. That doesn’t mean that someone can’t have sex before the age of consent. It just means they’re smart enough to do it, in theory. It’s also there because of high school relationships, because not everybody dates someone in their grade.

As far as the porn law, yea. Although apparently the videos were just her dancing. I think outside of a striptease a prosecutor would have a really hard time getting a conviction for porn.

 

[Pasha71]

Guessing that’s due to a combination of time since crime was committed, a lack of physical evidence and him being a minor at the time.

Also, he's playing in the KHL right now. Had he been faced with actual prison time, he would have just stayed in Russia instead...

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Excuse me. I read what you wrote. I read your use of "in this instance" as referring to the incident in the thread topic.

I'm sorry if I made you feel victimized. That's not something I wanted to do, despite your supposition.

Nah. I was using this case and giving a hypothetical to it. As in, saying if the circumstances were all copacetic (as in he never gave her drugs or alcohol and there was no blackmail), he wouldn’t have been charged and convicted. That’s all.

 

[Tao Jersey Jones]

Nah. I was using this case and giving a hypothetical to it. As in, saying if the circumstances were all copacetic (as in he never gave her drugs or alcohol and there was no blackmail), he wouldn’t have been charged and convicted. That’s all.

A simple "if", would have clarified your statement without ambiguity

 

[MarkusKetterer]

A simple "if", would have clarified your statement without ambiguity

I thought the if was in there, but apparently not. This is why you don’t post and carry on a conversation

 

[Tao Jersey Jones]

I thought the if was in there, but apparently not. This is why you don’t post and carry on a conversation

Got it. No worries. Childhood sexual assault sucks even when it's committed by another (usually older) minor.

Hopefully positive changes are afoot with the Coalition in Michigan and other locales.

 

[MacMacandBarbie]

What does that have to do with this case???

Idk, I’m not the one who brought it up