Reid Boucher pleads guilty to sex crime involving 12 year old

[Silky Johnson]

A bullet 5 mins after pleading guilty is actually quite cheap

Knowing the number of people who have been proven innocent on appeal you are cool with that?

You could accept those innocent deaths just to appease your bloodlust? Or is it cheapness? You don't want to pay to make sure innocent people aren't killed...? Even knowing that the worse punishment is life in prison.

I can understand killing in self defence or war even, in the moment, hot, kill or be killed.

But to coldly end someone's life without immediate danger is something I could never support for so many good reasons but the most important one is that I don't want that on my soul.

 

[letsgrowcactus]

A bullet 5 mins after pleading guilty is actually quite cheap

Never mind the questionable legal system and the number of wrongful convictions...
Who do you think is going to plead guilty if they get a bullet to the head for it?

 

[MetalheadPenguinsFan]

Knowing the number of people who have been proven innocent on appeal you are cool with that?

You could accept those innocent deaths just to appease your bloodlust? Or is it cheapness? You don't want to pay to make sure innocent people aren't killed...? Even knowing that the worse punishment is life in prison.

I can understand killing in self defence or war even, in the moment, hot, kill or be killed.

But to coldly end someone's life without immediate danger is something I could never support for so many good reasons but the most important one is that I don't want that on my soul.

Slice his pecker off then….

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Knowing the number of people who have been proven innocent on appeal you are cool with that?

You could accept those innocent deaths just to appease your bloodlust? Or is it cheapness? You don't want to pay to make sure innocent people aren't killed...? Even knowing that the worse punishment is life in prison.

I can understand killing in self defence or war even, in the moment, hot, kill or be killed.

But to coldly end someone's life without immediate danger is something I could never support for so many good reasons but the most important one is that I don't want that on my soul.

Poor convicted child rapists my heart bleeds for them

 

[Silky Johnson]

Poor convicted child rapists my heart bleeds for them

They can rot in prison for life.

My heart goes out to the victims and the wrongly convicted of which many have false confessions. False confessions are very prevalent due to people being coerced and having poor representation. If you did a minimal amount of research you would see how prevalent false convictions are and how non reversible punishments are clearly immoral.

There are many other reasons to hate the death penalty such as the cost, its ineffectiveness or the immorality of killing someone. None of them require you to have an ounce of sympathy for the truly guilty.

 

[Silky Johnson]

Slice his pecker off then….

Genius.

 

[Cotton]

They can rot in prison for life.

My heart goes out to the victims and the wrongly convicted of which many have false confessions. False confessions are very prevalent due to people being coerced and having poor representation. If you did a minimal amount of research you would see how prevalent false convictions are and how non reversible punishments are clearly immoral.

There are many other reasons to hate the death penalty such as the cost, its ineffectiveness or the immorality of killing someone. None of them require you to have an ounce of sympathy for the truly guilty.

Except they don’t rot in prison, for some odd reason child molesters never seem to get stiff sentences. And even when they do they simply enter protective custody, they get their own area removed from the general population where they don’t have to fear retribution. That’s the reality, they prey upon the most vulnerable only to get cable TV, chocolate milk and board games - nice and protected from the other prisoners until their time is up.

Any sane society would take these people and repurpose them into fertilizer - They’re clearly broken beyond repair.

 

[Silky Johnson]

Except they don’t rot in prison, for some odd reason child molesters never seem to get stiff sentences. And even when they do they simply enter protective custody, they get their own area removed from the general population where they don’t have to fear retribution. That’s the reality, they prey upon the most vulnerable only to get cable TV, chocolate milk and board games - nice and protected from the other prisoners until their time is up.

Any sane society would take these people and repurpose them into fertilizer - They’re clearly broken beyond repair.

Ah...no. The best societies have moved away from retribution as a form of justice. It doesn't and hasn't worked and has always been applied in ways that disproportionately impact the poor and minorities.

Our moral evolution and honest evaluation of the data is showing us that what's best for society is to see "justice" in a new way. The goal should be to disensentise bad behaviour, fix those who are "broken" and remove those who can't be fixed from society.

Killing, torturing and willfully allowing harm is not justice. Its a low base instinct we need to overcome.

The fact that so many are wrongfully convicted is just the "cherry on top" of reasons against judicial murder and torture.

 

[Silky Johnson]

1 in 10 sexual assaults reported to Police in Canada result in a conviction:

From arrest to conviction: Court case outcomes of police-reported sexual assaults in Canada, 2009 to 2014

I thought it was widely known that only a fraction of actual sexual assaults are reported to Police, so the ratio of actual sexual assaults to convictions is likely 100:1. For male victims the number is far higher, given society's attitude to male victims of sexual assault.

This is a terrible shame. One of the problems is that in many cases it is a literal "he says, she says" without much other evidence. The burden of proof in a Canadian criminal case is "beyond a reasonable doubt" which is hard to get with only two conflicting witnesses.

I think we should believe victims AND I believe in the "beyond a reasonable doubt" burden. I do not know how to reconcile these two opinions.

 

[King'sPawn]

Knowing the number of people who have been proven innocent on appeal you are cool with that?

You could accept those innocent deaths just to appease your bloodlust? Or is it cheapness? You don't want to pay to make sure innocent people aren't killed...? Even knowing that the worse punishment is life in prison.

I can understand killing in self defence or war even, in the moment, hot, kill or be killed.

But to coldly end someone's life without immediate danger is something I could never support for so many good reasons but the most important one is that I don't want that on my soul.

It's probably better for a different thread - though ultimately, I'm not against the death penalty. I do think it needs to be better applied. Usually there's a higher application based on socioeconomic and racial reasons.

Someone who repeatedly rapes and blackmails a 12 year-old? I'd sleep easier if people knew that was punishable by death and it made them think twice.

 

[Puck Dogg]

Someone who repeatedly rapes and blackmails a 12 year-old? I'd sleep easier if people knew that was punishable by death and it made them think twice.

There's evidence that the threat of punishment, no matter how severe it is, will not cause offenders to refrain from the act. The sex offenders go mostly by their urges. They do not think rationally of the consequences or weigh if the offense is worth it.

 

[Dirty Dan]

WTF

 

[Silky Johnson]

Never mind the questionable legal system and the number of wrongful convictions...
Who do you think is going to plead guilty if they get a bullet to the head for it?

No one of coarse. Guilty pleas are generally given in exchange for something. That is the reason why false confessions are sometimes given. People who are convinced that they will get convicted regardless of their guilt and then plea in exchange for a better outcome.

Not saying this is the case with Boucher.

 

[1989]

There's evidence that the threat of punishment, no matter how severe it is, will not cause offenders to refrain from the act. The sex offenders go mostly by their urges. They do not think rationally of the consequences or weigh if the offense is worth it.

To make it clear that's the majority of criminal acts.

Punishment is only a deterrent for those who fear punishment, but commiting a crime is like a craving or an addiction - it drives people to not see beyond the immediacy of their desires, whether that's to steal, assault, or kill.

Most criminals are not cinematic masterminds with a dozen plots and clear minds. Many crimes are impulse-driven by nature, and many criminals are re-offenders who aren't all that concerned about deterrents in the first place.

Rehabilition is a tool which requires further funding, research and deployment instead of undervaluing the potential for rehabilitation through capital punishment.

 

[King'sPawn]

There's evidence that the threat of punishment, no matter how severe it is, will not cause offenders to refrain from the act. The sex offenders go mostly by their urges. They do not think rationally of the consequences or weigh if the offense is worth it.

I understand it won't stop all or many - but rape and sexual offenses come across in such a large spectrum, it may serve as a a deterrent.

 

[Signupnow]

Just because someone plead guilty doesn't make them guilty. Sometimes you get a deal where you can avoid a certain sentence that makes it worth pleading to rather than gamble. It happened to me when I was accused of a crime that I didn't do and risked ending up in Thailands most nutorious prison for something drug-related. My lawyer told me to plead guilty or I might end up there. Not saying it's the case here but putting a bullet in someone's brain is a bit much.

 

[Silky Johnson]

I understand it won't stop all or many - but rape and sexual offenses come across in such a large spectrum, it may serve as a a deterrent.

The evidence is pretty clear that capital punishment is not a bigger deterent than jail time. Same thing for differences in long prison sentences like 20 vs 25 years. Death and long prison sentences are bad outcomes and don't have incremental effect on deterence.

Another deterence factor might be to have much higher prosecution rates on sex crimes. I suspect that will also be limited as well though. Many offenders do not believe or care in the moment about getting caught.

I would hope we have improvement in neurosciences to the point where we can identify how offenders are broken and a reliable method to keep them in until fixed, even if it means they never get out.

 

[ohcomeonref]

There's evidence that the threat of punishment, no matter how severe it is, will not cause offenders to refrain from the act. The sex offenders go mostly by their urges. They do not think rationally of the consequences or weigh if the offense is worth it.

All the more reason to wipe them out when they get caught so they can't re-offend.

 

[LOFIN]

Apparently, Lokomotiv will be terminating his contract
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[King'sPawn]

The evidence is pretty clear that capital punishment is not a bigger deterent than jail time. Same thing for differences in long prison sentences like 20 vs 25 years. Death and long prison sentences are bad outcomes and don't have incremental effect on deterence.

Another deterence factor might be to have much higher prosecution rates on sex crimes. I suspect that will also be limited as well though. Many offenders do not believe or care in the moment about getting caught.

I would hope we have improvement in neurosciences to the point where we can identify how offenders are broken and a reliable method to keep them in until fixed, even if it means they never get out.

We're veering from the topic.

Apparently, Lokomotiv will be terminating his contract
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Hopefully grief continues to come his way.

 

[Silky Johnson]

We're veering from the topic.



Hopefully grief continues to come his way.

When people stop saying we should kill people, I'll stop telling people why we shouldn't.

 

[WarriorofTime]

The Sarnia Sting say they’re “shocked” oh wow what a surprise. No you aren’t you lying pieces of filth. You just moved him to a different family and swept this thing under the rug. Same thing as the Blackhawks with Aldrich. And now another person had to grow up with unthinkable things being done to them and no reckoning until it’s too late. Absolutely disgusting. At the very least some heads need to roll for this.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

The Sarnia Sting say they’re “shocked” oh wow what a surprise. No you aren’t you lying pieces of filth. You just moved him to a different family and swept this thing under the rug. Same thing as the Blackhawks with Aldrich. And now another person had to grow up with unthinkable things being done to them and no reckoning until it’s too late. Absolutely disgusting. At the very least some heads need to roll for this.

Nope you have the story mixed up here. Boucher was with the US national team program at the time of the incident and they changed him to a different billet. He left to join the Sting the next season.

 

[S E P H]

I think the title of this thread is wrong, the article says the incident happened between a female from the age of 13 to 16, but wouldn't give the exact age. Nonetheless, completely messed up and he needs some psych help big time.

 

[Classic Devil]

I think the title of this thread is wrong, the article says the incident happened between a female from the age of 13 to 16, but wouldn't give the exact age. Nonetheless, completely messed up and he needs some psych help big time.

No, that is not what the article says. The article clearly says the victim was 12 at the time, but Reid pleaded to assaulting someone 13-16, which was at the judge's discretion.