Referee Wes McCauley has a major conflict with Keefe, shouldn't be reffing Leafs Games

[Drytoast]

Two Refs on the ice, did McCauley call all the penalties? (is there a way to know this?)

IMO, game was over before the Refs had any effect on it.

Was the game over when the Leafs clawed back to make it 3-2? What happened after that...oh that's right

Powerplay goal. 4-2 David Kampf's "slashing" against Corey Perry

Powerplay goal From Bunting's match penalty 5 min major... 5-2

Powerplay goal 6-2 From Tavares delay of game penalty.

What were the powerplays this game?

8 to 4.

4 of TB's goals came on the PP. 2 of our 4 powerplays came after the game was well out of reach...again. You cannot call lopsided bullshit like Kampf's slashing call and not call the same slashing on Tampa Bay.

And show me an angle where that one goal crossed the line definitively.

I told you this happened last year, and it just happened again this year. You are in denial.

 

[seventieslord]

I hope this is the last Leaf game Wes McCauley will ever ref. The 2nd period sequence that led to the 4th tampa goal is so blatantly biased. It is the responsibility of every leaf fan to make this history on David Frost trend on twitter so that the NHL won't put him again in this series.

I am not worried about the Leafs getting swept or losing in 5 games. They have an excellent track record of making a series interesting, just as convincing a record as their history of 7th game meltdown. Getting McCauley out of the way early in this series, rather than having him ref the 7th game, may be just as crucial for the Leafs to possibly win the series as a Hedman injury.

McCauley should keep reffing Leafs games. As everyone has said, he's obviously biased, and his bias is in favour of Sheldon Keefe, who did his beloved brother-in-law David Frost a solid, by testifying in court on his behalf in 2009, helping lead to his acquittal. Tampa Bay should be complaining here.

Leafs are clearly at an advantage with McCauley reffing - they just need to play better.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Was the game over when the Leafs clawed back to make it 3-2? What happened after that...oh that's right

Powerplay goal. 4-2 David Kampf's "slashing" against Corey Perry
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Powerplay goal From Bunting's match penalty 5 min major... 5-2
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Powerplay goal 6-2 From Tavares delay of game penalty.
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What were the powerplays this game?

8 to 4.

4 of TB's goals came on the PP. 2 of our 4 powerplays came after the game was well out of reach...again. You cannot call lopsided bullshit like Kampf's slashing call and not call the same slashing on Tampa Bay.

I told you this happened last year, and it just happened again this year. You are in denial.

How about that one handed "cross check" from Schenn that was basically a forearm.

 

[ACC1224]

Was the game over when the Leafs clawed back to make it 3-2? What happened after that...oh that's right

Powerplay goal. 4-2 David Kampf's "slashing" against Corey Perry
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Powerplay goal From Bunting's match penalty 5 min major... 5-2
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Powerplay goal 6-2 From Tavares delay of game penalty.
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What were the powerplays this game?

8 to 4.

4 of TB's goals came on the PP. 2 of our 4 powerplays came after the game was well out of reach...again. You cannot call lopsided bullshit like Kampf's slashing call and not call the same slashing on Tampa Bay.

I told you this happened last year, and it just happened again this year. You are in denial.

Game was basically over at 3-0.
Hoping to score 4 and not give up another would be a pretty big ask.

I agree though, Leaf PK had better get better in a hurry or they are done.

 

[Drytoast]

Game was basically over at 3-0.
Hoping to score 4 and not give up another would be a pretty big ask.

I agree though, Leaf PK had better get better in a hurry or they are done.

You've never seen the Leafs come back from a 3-0 deficite this year? Did they not make it 3-2 in the second period before the refs took over? 8-4 powerplay differential.

I told you this shit would happen, I guess I'm f***ing Nostradamus.

 

[ACC1224]

You've never seen the Leafs come back from a 3-0 deficite this year? Did they not make it 3-2 before the refs took over?

I told you this shit would happen, I guess I'm f***ing Nostradamus.

This is the playoffs vs the best Goalie in the world.
No, I haven't seen that before.

Are we blaming the 5 on 3 on the Refs as well?

 

[therealkoho]

ESPN messier and chelios said its the worst officiated game they've ever seen

And they're not wrong, the call on Kampf was astoundingly bad and confoundingly unnecessary.

 

[notbias]

Game was basically over at 3-0.
Hoping to score 4 and not give up another would be a pretty big ask.

I agree though, Leaf PK had better get better in a hurry or they are done.

It was 3-2 when Kampf got called for slashing someone's stick.

 

[frog]

Bunting drew a really soft penalty he literally skated into cernak and fell. Schenn was a soft penalty and maybe kampf

So it was 1 soft call on tampa and 1.5 soft calls on leafs

Leafs have no one to blame but themselves, the conspiracy reffing thing is a losing attitude just like the leafs losing attitude of skill and speed over toughness and heart

 

[Drytoast]

This is the playoffs vs the best Goalie in the world.
No, I haven't seen that before.

Are we blaming the 5 on 3 on the Refs as well?

It's incredibly hard to score on Vas when you are down a man.

Missed calls on Gio and Willie off the top of my head. Especially based off the standard set by that Kampf slash. 8-4 pp differential. I told you this was going to happen. I'm getting kind of bored of the NHL's schtick.

 

[IPS]

It isn't discussed because it's completely false.

Sheldon Keefe *did not* testify against David Frost. Sheldon Keefe testified on behalf of David Frost and was one of the key witnesses that led to his acquittal.

You. Are. Wrong.

 

[Twine Tickler]

Game was basically over at 3-0.
Hoping to score 4 and not give up another would be a pretty big ask.

I agree though, Leaf PK had better get better in a hurry or they are done.

Listen, I don't like using the officiating as an excuse in any game, this game is no exception. We lost fair and square, and we deserved to. Tampa was far and away the better team on the night.

But to suggest the game was basically over at 3-0 with 40 mins to play is not correct, and it certainly was not over at 3-2 with 30 mins to play. The series of events that played out in the final 8 minutes of the 2nd period put the game out of reach. Some, not all, of that was directly impacted by the officiating.

I will not go on to say we lost because of the officiating, but they made it substantially harder to overcome the deficit we put ourselves into with some of the decisions they made. I don't agree with the Kampf call that lead to the 4-2 goal, but that is going to happen from time to time. We need to be better on that kill. End of story.

We killed over 2 minutes of the major before the dagger Perry "goal" was scored, and had we been able to get into the intermission down just a couple, the game is still within reach. Albeit, not looking good.

We need to be accountable for our lack of discipline, inability to kill a penalty, goaltending, net front defending, and overall poor start to the game. That was the biggest factor in losing this game. But the officials need to be accountable as well. Small or large, they played a significant factor in the outcome of this game when they are not supposed to do anything but call the rulebook.

 

[therealkoho]

Sometimes you have to kill off a penalty.

3-0 after 1. Needing to score 4 and not give up any more is a pretty big ask.

Not saying the games officiating had anything to do with all the money pouring in on the clear favourite on the morning line.

I've called him the BettMan for years, ever since the Tocchet, Gretzky and Gretzky and NY/Philly mob connections came to light. Never ever underestimate the money. It may all be legal now, but it's the same game.

 

[Transplanted Caper]

Apparently lots of people were in the courtroom that day for testimony under a publication ban. Everyone needs to get a grip and stop speculating about an unimaginable situation I hope no one here has ever, or will ever, have to go through. There's no conflict here. I don't like his officiating, but it's not a Leafs thing and certainly not why they lost last night.

 

[FerrisRox]

You. Are. Wrong.

I'm embarrassed for you.

It was widely reported at the time. Just google "Sheldon Keefe testify." This isn't complicated, it's not opinion. It's a simple fact.

 

[Drytoast]

Listen, I don't like using the officiating as an excuse in any game, this game is no exception. We lost fair and square, and we deserved to. Tampa was far and away the better team on the night.

But to suggest the game was basically over at 3-0 with 40 mins to play is not correct, and it certainly was not over at 3-2 with 30 mins to play. The series of events that played out in the final 8 minutes of the 2nd period put the game out of reach. Some, not all, of that was directly impacted by the officiating.

I will not go on to say we lost because of the officiating, but they made it substantially harder to overcome the deficit we put ourselves into with some of the decisions they made. I don't agree with the Kampf call that lead to the 4-2 goal, but that is going to happen from time to time. We need to be better on that kill. End of story.

We killed over 2 minutes of the major before the dagger Perry "goal" was scored, and had we been able to get into the intermission down just a couple, the game is still within reach. Albeit, not looking good.

We need to be accountable for our lack of discipline, inability to kill a penalty, goaltending, net front defending, and overall poor start to the game. That was the biggest factor in losing this game. But the officials need to be accountable as well. Small or large, they played a significant factor in the outcome of this game when they are not supposed to do anything but call the rulebook.

The ref's create a standard when they call something like crosschecking or slashing. And then to see that standard only called ONE WAY is complete and utter horseshit.

The league is a gd joke.

 

[ACC1224]

Listen, I don't like using the officiating as an excuse in any game, this game is no exception. We lost fair and square, and we deserved to. Tampa was far and away the better team on the night.

But to suggest the game was basically over at 3-0 with 40 mins to play is not correct, and it certainly was not over at 3-2 with 30 mins to play. The series of events that played out in the final 8 minutes of the 2nd period put the game out of reach. Some, not all, of that was directly impacted by the officiating.

I will not go on to say we lost because of the officiating, but they made it substantially harder to overcome the deficit we put ourselves into with some of the decisions they made. I don't agree with the Kampf call that lead to the 4-2 goal, but that is going to happen from time to time. We need to be better on that kill. End of story.

We killed over 2 minutes of the major before the dagger Perry "goal" was scored, and had we been able to get into the intermission down just a couple, the game is still within reach. Albeit, not looking good.

We need to be accountable for our lack of discipline, inability to kill a penalty, goaltending, net front defending, and overall poor start to the game. That was the biggest factor in losing this game. But the officials need to be accountable as well. Small or large, they played a significant factor in the outcome of this game when they are not supposed to do anything but call the rulebook.

I felt it was basically over and my feelings turned out to be correct.
Obviously there was a small chance they could have come back but like I mentioned, scoring 4 unanswered on the best goalie in the world seemed like too tall a task especially with how poor they were playing.

 

[The Iceman]

This is the playoffs vs the best Goalie in the world.
No, I haven't seen that before.

Are we blaming the 5 on 3 on the Refs as well?

WELL..........if the refs didn't rule that the puck crossed the line, and said it was not definitive, the review would have backed up the call on the ice.
WHICH then means no challenge of goalie interference and no 5 on 3.

 

[hamzarocks]

Leafs were the worse team last night

The refs didnf screw the leafs, the leafs screwed the leaf

Fortunately this is hockey and not football. We have a 7 game series not a 1 off knock out

Leafs in 6 still

 

[Jmo89]

When y'all stir up a completely factually incorrect story about you lost because the ref rigged the game because he's covering up for a child molester, how could I stay away?

As @55 Years of Futility pointed out, every losing team is complaining about the refs. Maybe show some love for another board? We have enough obsessed posters here already.

Or better yet, if you're so convinced you're right go and make a twitter account and correct the guy who made the original tweet? Also, it's not "y'all". Plenty of us don't blame the officiating for the loss, myself included.

I know Wings fans don't have as much experience as us Leafs fans in how to handle your team sucking, but Detroit won't be dogshit forever. Heck, at the rate the Leafs are going you might even win a playoff series again before them.

 

[ACC1224]

WELL..........if the refs didn't rule that the puck crossed the line, and said it was not definitive, the review would have backed up the call on the ice.
WHICH then means no challenge of goalie interference and no 5 on 3.

Sure or Bunting and Keefe could not be idiots.

 

[Twine Tickler]

Apparently lots of people were in the courtroom that day for testimony under a publication ban. Everyone needs to get a grip and stop speculating about an unimaginable situation I hope no one here has ever, or will ever, have to go through. There's no conflict here. I don't like his officiating, but it's not a Leafs thing and certainly not why they lost last night.

Ya I think the Keefe vs. McCauley history is more or less what is on the ice. I genuinely think there is a mutual distaste for one another, but I don't think it has anything to do with the court dealings with his Brother in-law. That to me is a bit of a reach.

Either way, you have to look at the way Wes officiates our games as a whole and wonder why it is that we are 0-8 in our last 8 playoff games when he is the on ice official. This is clearly getting into the territory of being more then just a coincidence. Unconscious biases are a real thing, and it is a huge factor in games that appear to be managed by penalties. If Wes does not have a good working relationship with Sheldon based on previous interactions, he will be less inclined to call a fair game whether he is intending to or not.

To me, it is abundantly clear that Wes thought he may have missed a call on the McCabe hit based on the reaction from the Lightning bench and players on the ice. He was clearly looking to make right by that situation, and didn't hesitate to call a penalty at the first chance he got. Which realistically should not have been a call. Not to mention McCabe's hit was completely clean. So there was absolutely nothing to make up.

Further, I will never, and I mean never understand how Wes was able to call the 5th goal on the ice from where he was on the ice. We had how many different camera angles, including 1 over the bar and one in the net, and still I have not seen one angle that shows the puck definitively across the line. Wes McCauley is flat out lying if he says he saw that puck cross. It is legitimately impossible from his angle. Yet he still felt comfortable signaling for the goal..... To me, that is unconscious bias in motion. He trusted the Lightning reaction over what he saw with his own 2 eyes. Why is there that trust level? for Corey Perry no less. This is a benefit of the doubt I can't remember ever seeing given to the Leafs.

 

[Donnie D]

it's getting worse.

The Leafs Playoff Record when Wes McCauley Officiates is 0-8 Since the 2016-17 Season

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Comment:
How Wes McCauley is allowed to coach in games with Sheldon Keefe as coach is beyond me, given their prior history and Sheldon testifying against Wes’ brother-in-law. I’m shocked this isn’t discussed even a little bit in the MSM (but on the other hand, I’m not because the refs are always looked upon as do-no-wrong).

As crappy as the Leafs have been in the playoffs, they probably have a losing record with every referee. They were 7-1-1 with McCauley during the regular season. Every referee has a some relationship with some team. I've heard for years that French Canadians shouldn't be allowed to referee Montreal games. I guess that also means that only French Canadians should be allowed to referee games in the US - wait, there is a Canadian bias. Can't have that either.

This is probably the dumbest thread that I've read since 2020. But I have learned something. I didn't know that Sidney Powell, Kari Lake and Rudy Giuliani were all Leaf fans and posted on this board.

 

[AllDay28]

Hfboard members who claim to be leaf fans but spend their whole time bashing the team: lol blame the refs *laughing emoji*

Former NHLers/HOFers: that was the worst game I've ever seen officiated.

Who's opinion should you care about?

 

[authentic]

Bunting drew a really soft penalty he literally skated into cernak and fell. Schenn was a soft penalty and maybe kampf

So it was 1 soft call on tampa and 1.5 soft calls on leafs

Leafs have no one to blame but themselves, the conspiracy reffing thing is a losing attitude just like the leafs losing attitude of skill and speed over toughness and heart

Maybe Kampf? Kampf did not take a penalty by any stretch of the imagination, and even if he did then so did Perry literally 1 second after.