Referee Wes McCauley has a major conflict with Keefe, shouldn't be reffing Leafs Games

[HockeyMad68]

So if this series goes to game seven then we can expect Wes McCauley as a referee

 

[GoonieFace]

McCauley was also the man of the grassy knoll, who knew?

 

[thewave]

McCauley was also the man of the grassy knoll, who knew?

If you saw no problem with the officiating in that game. I don't know what to tell you. We likely see the game completely different. ESPN even called it one of the worst officiated games.

What do ESPN commentators know though, I mean, GooneFace on HFBoards v Professionals

 

[SoftDumpNtheCorner88]

bonus: here is the amazing one-handed crosscheck incase you missed it



Great crosschecking call by McCauley

I guess Kampf has a history of violent penalties ... let's check his record.

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82 games 4 penalty minutes this year. Never more than 10 in a season ever.

Both absolutely TERRIBLE CALLS. both calls is what sealed the game for us.

Every year in the playoffs it's the same bullshit. We start getting momentum, then calls like these happen.

EVERY.
YEAR.

Last year was the phantom high stick on Kampf and kerfoot. Refs see this shit.. they call it 100% against us and don't care even after going into the tunnel and seeing the replay of the dive and fake head jerk to sell the call, they come back on the ice and it doesn't change nothing.



If Schen can't when check a player to clear the front of the crease like he ALWAYS DOES, and now he has to play different because of it, then he might as well get benches. Sucks because we need schenn and has physicality but as you can see the Refs are calling bullshit calls against us and are looking for anything to kill Leafs momentum during these games.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Just saying, reffing had very little to do with that pathetic display last night. Penalties or not, it would have been a similar result. This team needs to decide who they want to be and fast. If they lose this series with performances like last night, we're looking at blowing up the entire organization and completely rebuilding. Management, coaching and star players. Everything will be on the table.

 

[ULF_55]

In that we suepect that he is throwing games or in that in that in order to avoid any appearance of inproprietity, he should not be allowed to officiate Leaf games?

In which case, if the NHL limits involvement , they are saying you can't trust a ref to be impartial regardless of any personal feelings, yes? That's a slippery slope there. Either he's a ref or not.

Where I work and where I have previously worked, even an appearance of a potential conflict of interest is not permitted.

If you can draw a direct line between party A and Party B there is a potential for a conflict of interest.

I'm not saying there is anything happening, but this is being discussed here and now.

That is because it doesn't take any amount of imagination to go Frost-McAuley-Keefe.

Recuse

 

[SoftDumpNtheCorner88]

Just saying, reffing had very little to do with that pathetic display last night. Penalties or not, it would have been a similar result. This team needs to decide who they want to be and fast. If they lose this series with performances like last night, we're looking at blowing up the entire organization and completely rebuilding. Management, coaching and star players. Everything will be on the table.

Nobody is saying the Leafs played great, but the game wasn't lost after 2-0.. the Leafs were come back and it seemed every chance the refs could slow them down they did.

 

[izlez]

In 2006-07 Ian Cole played for the USNTDP team.

His teammate at the time was Robert Czarnik.

Robert Czarnik went on to play for the University of Michigan.

Where did Wes McCauley play college hockey? None other than the University of Michigan's biggest rival, Michigan State University.

It's honestly amazing that the Lightning were able to overcome this clear bias against them in game 1.

 

[ACC1224]

Two Refs on the ice, did McCauley call all the penalties? (is there a way to know this?)

IMO, game was over before the Refs had any effect on it.

 

[BayStBullies]

Two Refs on the ice, did McCauley call all the penalties? (is there a way to know this?)

IMO, game was over before the Refs had any effect on it.

The Leafs were back at 2-3 with full momentum when the refs applied their most blatant manipulation attempts on the result.

 

[ACC1224]

The Leafs were back at 2-3 with full momentum when the refs applied their most blatant manipulation attempts on the result.

Sometimes you have to kill off a penalty.

3-0 after 1. Needing to score 4 and not give up any more is a pretty big ask.

 

[shaner82]

In that we suepect that he is throwing games or in that in that in order to avoid any appearance of inproprietity, he should not be allowed to officiate Leaf games?

In which case, if the NHL limits involvement , they are saying you can't trust a ref to be impartial regardless of any personal feelings, yes? That's a slippery slope there. Either he's a ref or not.

Judges and doctors are among the most trusted of professionals out there, but they are required to recuse themselves during certain situations. It's not because we don't trust the individual, it's because as a species we aren't infallible. So it's better to just avoid conflict of interest situations altogether

 

[shaner8989]

The timing of the penalties says it all.

2-0 tampa. Let’s make sure we give tampa a chance to basically end the game. Boom Pp 3-0

Leafs make it 3-2…. To close for comfort now better call a leaf penalty. Boom Tampa PP goal 4-2. That’s the dagger. Then Tampa gets a bunch more pp including a 5 min one with a 5 on 3 in there

Then when it’s 7-2 and games over let’s give to Toronto a couple pp so it looks closer

The fact that nobody questions the leagues integrity for having this pos mcauley ref is disturbing.

 

[izlez]

Where I work and where I have previously worked, even an appearance of a potential conflict of interest is not permitted.

If you can draw a direct line between party A and Party B there is a potential for a conflict of interest.

I'm not saying there is anything happening, but this is being discussed here and now.

That is because it doesn't take any amount of imagination to go Frost-McAuley-Keefe.

Recuse

Judges and doctors are among the most trusted of professionals out there, but they are required to recuse themselves during certain situations. It's not because we don't trust the individual, it's because as a species we aren't infallible. So it's better to just avoid conflict of interest situations altogether

Isn't the place that decides which goals count and which goals don't located next door to where the Leafs play?

 

[ULF_55]

Isn't the place that decides which goals count and which goals don't located next door to where the Leafs play?

NHL head office is where?

 

[ovythegiraffe]

The 8 games Wes has reffed for Toronto, in 3 of them Toronto has been given more penalties than the opposing team, and in 4 of them they've been given less. Hard to see much bias there.

I hope at least the players can man up to a blow out loss and move on to the next game instead of blaming everything on anything but themselves, or it's gonna be a real short series.

This is getting ridiculous

 

[thewave]

Just saying, reffing had very little to do with that pathetic display last night. Penalties or not, it would have been a similar result. This team needs to decide who they want to be and fast. If they lose this series with performances like last night, we're looking at blowing up the entire organization and completely rebuilding. Management, coaching and star players. Everything will be on the table.

They were trash out the gate. That's on Keefe and the players. Tending is on Samsonov. The officiating was just there to stop all the momentum we had and they used it masterfully, though obviously enough that even ESPN said it was a horribly officiated game.

 

[ruaware41]

In that we suepect that he is throwing games or in that in that in order to avoid any appearance of inproprietity, he should not be allowed to officiate Leaf games?

In which case, if the NHL limits involvement , they are saying you can't trust a ref to be impartial regardless of any personal feelings, yes? That's a slippery slope there. Either he's a ref or not.

in that the league sucks and so do the leafs

 

[Gilmour1996]

The 8 games Wes has reffed for Toronto, in 3 of them Toronto has been given more penalties than the opposing team, and in 4 of them they've been given less. Hard to see much bias there.

Number of penalties called on each team is only half the story. The other half are the non-calls.

Also the timing of the calls is an important factor.

 

[Menzinger]

The Leafs played like trash for large portions of the game - especially letting those two early goals.

At the same time I doubt few could have watched that entire game and say to themselves "absolutely nothing wrong with what the refs were doing" - especially giving Kampf that weak call while ignoring some pretty blatant stuff from the Bolts happening just a few moments earlier.....

Since 2014 the Leafs are 0-8 in playoffs games reffed by McCauley....

 

[thewave]

The Leafs played like trash for large portions of the game - especially letting those two early goals.

At the same time I doubt few could have watched that entire game and say to themselves "absolutely nothing wrong with what the refs were doing" - especially giving Kampf that weak call while ignoring some pretty blatant stuff from the Bolts happening just a few moments earlier.....

Since 2014 the Leafs are 0-8 in playoffs games reffed by McCauley. And are 17-17 with any other ref....

The good news is he is out of the way for the rest of series.

 

[mikeyz]

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source: Fan reveals that there is a conflict of interest between Sheldon Keefe and Wes McCauley

David Frost is Wes McCauley's brother in law. Frost abused Keefe and others for years in Jr that even extended to later years.

Weren't the Leafs like 5-0-1 with McCauley reffing heading into last night?

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

As bad as we all thought the reffing is, this team still gave up two quick goals and couldnt kill a penalty if their life depended on it.

It's not on the refs. Don't use this shitty excuse the 5th year in a row.

 

[thewave]

As bad as we all thought the reffing is, this team still gave up two quick goals and couldnt kill a penalty if their life depended on it.

It's not on the refs. Don't use this shitty excuse the 5th year in a row.

Keefe isn't a good coach but I believe without some of that ref nonsense last night, our team is capable of overcoming the first three. They almost did. Bunting pulled a Kadri being P'd at the officiating no doubt. That was the dagger.

 

[ULF_55]

The Leafs played like trash for large portions of the game - especially letting those two early goals.

At the same time I doubt few could have watched that entire game and say to themselves "absolutely nothing wrong with what the refs were doing" - especially giving Kampf that weak call while ignoring some pretty blatant stuff from the Bolts happening just a few moments earlier.....

Since 2014 the Leafs are 0-8 in playoffs games reffed by McCauley....

Again, he doesn't have to be biased, but due to history, and it is being brought up here, there is potential bias due to a known toxic relationship.

Rules for integrity are beyond bias, it is any appearance of bias.

Recuse is the path. It almost always is.