Re-tooling For One More Run With This Core

[arso40]

Nylander has 2 years left on his deal until he is UFA. This team still hasn’t even won a round.
If we kept getting knocked out in the 3rd round, I’d be more on board with your statement.
I wouldn’t want to deal with him UFA. What are you going to pay him next? 9 mil? We can’t do that. We have to deal with Matthews at the same time. Paying these guys again to take up more than half the cap isn’t good.

Paying him isn’t taking away from the other 2 we still have the captains 11 mill for 1 extra year I’m not worried about paying him 9 fact is it might be less 8.5 even point is we can reside the big 3 even if Matthews and Marner take us to town again

 

[Menzinger]

Nylander has 2 years left on his deal until he is UFA. This team still hasn’t even won a round.
If we kept getting knocked out in the 3rd round, I’d be more on board with your statement.
I wouldn’t want to deal with him UFA. What are you going to pay him next? 9 mil? We can’t do that. We have to deal with Matthews at the same time. Paying these guys again to take up more than half the cap isn’t good.

That doesn't have to be the case - they'd just need to find a way to maneuver through one more Tavares year and then 11 mil is off the books.

Between a rising cap + other changes to the roster, the team can definitely keep the three main young guys on beyond their current contracts (if they want to).

 

[Trapper]

That doesn't have to be the case - they'd just need to find a way to maneuver through one more Tavares year and then 11 mil is off the books.

Between a rising cap + other changes to the roster, the team can definitely keep the three main young guys on beyond their current contracts (if they want to).

But then Marner also needs a new contract and I would hope by that time you have any kind of decent goalie being paid and some depth that is better Kase/Kerfoot/Engvall.
You need proper support in other areas.

What is Nylander walks?

That’s also 3 year to JT. Please don’t tell me we have 3 more years of 1st round exits before looking for support.

 

[zeke]

But then Marner also needs a new contract and I would hope by that time you have any kind of decent goalie being paid and some depth that is better Kase/Kerfoot/Engvall.
You need proper support in other areas.

What is Nylander walks?

That’s also 3 year to JT. Please don’t tell me we have 3 more years of 1st round exits before looking for support.

P.s. the Leafs had some of the best depth in hockey this year (again)

 

[Racer88]

P.s. the Leafs had some of the best depth in hockey this year (again)

Ya the Teams combined 1 goal in game 7 says depth to me

 

[ACC1224]

But then Marner also needs a new contract and I would hope by that time you have any kind of decent goalie being paid and some depth that is better Kase/Kerfoot/Engvall.
You need proper support in other areas.

What is Nylander walks?

That’s also 3 year to JT. Please don’t tell me we have 3 more years of 1st round exits before looking for support.

Depth killed them in the playoffs, not nearly good enough.

 

[Trapper]

Ya the Teams combined 1 goal in game 7 says depth to me

For people that love to use stats and say how everything is great, they sure miss the obvious stat staring them right in the face.
0-6
That stat is so close it could slap you in the face. When that’s your record, something is wrong.

 

[Mess]

For people that love to use stats and say how everything is great, they sure miss the obvious stat staring them right in the face.
0-6
That stat is so close it could slap you in the face. When that’s your record, something is wrong.

Luck number 7 & 7 times might be the charm.

In many cultures around the world, seven is considered a lucky number. This probably explains the affinity many people feel for the number seven. Some scientists and mathematicians also believe there are some interesting properties of the number itself that also make it alluring. I bet you never knew that.

PS. The odds of the record becoming 1-6 seems higher than 0-7. Its just mathematically impossible to lose forever.

 

[Zur En Arrh]

I'd honestly consider trading Matthews 1:1 for Bedard, but I am not sure I'd commit to it yet.

1.) He's 5'9, I know the game is changing but what superstar is that small? He's only 16 and has room to grow.

2.) No one knows if he pans out, if you trade him and he ends up being a RNH or current Lafreniere, you'll be fired.

However, if he lives up to the hype... you got a Bedard on an ELC with 8M more in cap space to go for the cup and it also extends your window.

The numbers he's putting up at 16 is unreal, better than McDavid at that same age. However, because he's so small, there's a huge asterik on if it will translate to the NHL. Smaller players look way better against teenagers than NHL players.

However, in 2 games in the WJC he put up 5 points, that's more than McDavid put up in the whole tournament as a 16 year old.

On the flip side, you have players like Tavares who absolutely dominated junior, were breaking Gretzky's scoring records and haven't lived up to the hype. Yeah, Tavares was a franchise player but he was getting the junior hype of a Crosby or McDavid.

let's trade a generational talent for a 16 year old that may be good. Jesus..

 

[Trapper]

Luck number 7 & 7 times might be the charm.

In many cultures around the world, seven is considered a lucky number. This probably explains the affinity many people feel for the number seven. Some scientists and mathematicians also believe there are some interesting properties of the number itself that also make it alluring. I bet you never knew that.

PS. The odds of the record becoming 1-6 seems higher than 0-7. Its just mathematically impossible to lose forever.

That’s the part that worries me.
Some fans and management seem to think 0-6 is no problem, we are right there.
Keep doing the same thing.
Win a round and the egos could go through the roof. Eventually we are bound to fluke out a win but we could go right back to getting bounced in the 1st rounds again.

When you do something once, it could be a one of.
When you do something 2-3 times, it could be a pattern.
When you do something 5-6-? times, it’s the norm.

For done a first round win is enough but we are even going past that part. Will Edmonton get to the 3rd round next year? Is that the norm?

 

[Mess]

That’s the part that worries me.
Some fans and management seem to think 0-6 is no problem, we are right there.
Keep doing the same thing.
Win a round and the egos could go through the roof. Eventually we are bound to fluke out a win but we could go right back to getting bounced in the 1st rounds again.

When you do something once, it could be a one of.
When you do something 2-3 times, it could be a pattern.
When you do something 5-6-? times, it’s the norm.

For done a first round win is enough but we are even going past that part. Will Edmonton get to the 3rd round next year? Is that the norm?

Our Leafs are 0-10 in series clinching wins and Tampa Bay has run their record to 10-0 in series winning results and going for #11 on their way to their 3rd Stanley Cup in a row.

Some Leaf fans and perhaps management even thinks and believes that Leafs and Lightening are very similar, like looking in a mirror, when the results are polar opposites of the least successful team vs the most successful team in a salary cap era in reality..

So its not uncommon for a Cup contender to "run it back" and make only a few peripheral changes out of necessity because its hard to keep a winning team together, or in Toronto despite what some believe its tough to tear an unsuccessful team apart.

What seems insane to some of doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results, but one of these years the Leafs are going to win and playoff round, its mathematical probability, because you can't lose forever, just like TB can't keep winning forever either.

Since it doesn't seem anything is going to change in Toronto might as well hope lucky number 7 is the charm.

 

[Gabriel426]

Luck number 7 & 7 times might be the charm.

In many cultures around the world, seven is considered a lucky number. This probably explains the affinity many people feel for the number seven. Some scientists and mathematicians also believe there are some interesting properties of the number itself that also make it alluring. I bet you never knew that.

PS. The odds of the record becoming 1-6 seems higher than 0-7. Its just mathematically impossible to lose forever.

That’s what we said when we were 0-5, lol

 

[Kazparov]

This thread reminds me why I don't come here very much in the summer.

Thanks guys.

 

[Gabriel426]

1. Get a true No. 1 goalie even if it means parting Willie or Marner.
2. Ship JT away. Or tell JT to retire and come back at the TDL with a new contract or something. He is not a bad player but he ain’t even close to 11mil.
3. Get Trotz, Keefe just cant cut it yet. He might be able to it down the line but the Leafs is a get it done and not a let’s see what you can you team.
4. Really need to look at all options to improve the team. If trades won’t happen then balance the team better in order to be more production from top to bottom instead of concentrating on the top two lines.

 

[Mess]

That’s what we said when we were 0-5, lol

I even lost money betting on it,,

While I didn't trust my Leafs and openly admitted I was scared to play TB in round #1 of fear of losing again.. I was willing however to bet the odds that they would be in Leafs favour of eventually winning a playoff round combined with knowing TB is also going to eventually lose on also.

So 0-5 became 0-6 but it can't be 0-7 could it?

 

[Gabriel426]

I even lost money betting on it,,

While I didn't trust my Leafs and openly admitted I was scared to play TB in round #1 of fear of losing again.. I was willing however to bet the odds that they would be in Leafs favour of eventually winning a playoff round combined with knowing TB is also going to eventually lose on also.

So 0-5 became 0-6 but it can't be 0-7 could it?

Certainly hope not.

 

[ShaneFalco]

I even lost money betting on it,,

While I didn't trust my Leafs and openly admitted I was scared to play TB in round #1 of fear of losing again.. I was willing however to bet the odds that they would be in Leafs favour of eventually winning a playoff round combined with knowing TB is also going to eventually lose on also.

So 0-5 became 0-6 but it can't be 0-7 could it?

Right now, I wouldn't bet against it

 

[mydnyte]

if the 'core' is Matthews and Marner (and Reilly), then we have may have 10+ more runs with this core, else we have as many runs as Tavares has years left with 'this' core, and we're better off than the majority of the league with our 'core'.

 

[Menzinger]

But then Marner also needs a new contract and I would hope by that time you have any kind of decent goalie being paid and some depth that is better Kase/Kerfoot/Engvall.
You need proper support in other areas.

What is Nylander walks?

That’s also 3 year to JT. Please don’t tell me we have 3 more years of 1st round exits before looking for support.

If Nylander has shown no indication of re-signing you likely need to trade him. I just don't buy the notion you NEED to trade him, or that they will be unable to sign him + the other younger guys in the core.

Imo if depth is the central concern, I think the team absolutely has to start with moving one of the 11 mil guys. That's an entire lines worth of a capspace.

 

[Trapper]

If Nylander has shown no indication of re-signing you likely need to trade him. I just don't buy the notion you NEED to trade him, or that they will be unable to sign him + the other younger guys in the core.

Imo if depth is the central concern, I think the team absolutely has to start with moving one of the 11 mil guys. That's an entire lines worth of a capspace.

I would start planning for the future right now.
As I’ve said, I would move Muzzin,Nylander and look for a solid C and RHD.

Start drafting hard so in 2 years, we can have the support like a Schneider/Fox/Foote that NY/Colorado/Tampa has to support Matthews/Marner/Rielly on better contracts.

We don’t have anyone after 2016 Matthews draft playing a prominent role on the team today.

Then when JT is up, you have enough cash to build an entire line to support.

Start preparing now. Don’t wait for guys to maybe text-sign, walk or give away picks.

 

[ULF_55]

I would start planning for the future right now.
As I’ve said, I would move Muzzin,Nylander and look for a solid C and RHD.

Start drafting hard so in 2 years, we can have the support like a Schneider/Fox/Foote that NY/Colorado/Tampa has to support Matthews/Marner/Rielly on better contracts.

We don’t have anyone after 2016 Matthews draft playing a prominent role on the team today.

Then when JT is up, you have enough cash to build an entire line to support.

Start preparing now. Don’t wait for guys to maybe text-sign, walk or give away picks.

The question is whether they can draft?

If they don't have the courage to play their prospects you will never know if they hav0e a Fox.

Fricken grow a backbone and live with the growing pains.

 

[Trapper]

The question is whether they can draft?

If they don't have the courage to play their prospects you will never know if they hav0e a Fox.

Fricken grow a backbone and live with the growing pains.

Unfortunately that’s where we are.

Shanahan screwed this timeline.

Hired a rookie GM, who hired a rookie coach.

Payed 4 forwards half the cap and traded away all the good depth.

Rielly is on his new contract and soon Matthews/Nylander will be UFA on their 3rd.

0-6 trying to win a playoff round.

Nobody drafted since 2016 playing any type of full time role contributing to passing a playoff round.

Now maybe they have learned from all these mistakes (at our expense) but that time above us gone. You need to plan for the next phase now.

Tampa/Colorado/NY took advantage of those bad times and drafted guys like Makar, Drouin traded for Sergechev, Foote, Fox, Shesterkin, Schneider and added them to the remaining core for the next phase. Guys from the core were moved and the team altered.

 

[ULF_55]

Unfortunately that’s where we are.

Shanahan screwed this timeline.

Hired a rookie GM, who hired a rookie coach.

Payed 4 forwards half the cap and traded away all the good depth.

Rielly is on his new contract and soon Matthews/Nylander will be UFA on their 3rd.

0-6 trying to win a playoff round.

Nobody drafted since 2016 playing any type of full time role contributing to passing a playoff round.

Now maybe they have learned from all these mistakes (at our expense) but that time above us gone. You need to plan for the next phase now.

Tampa/Colorado/NY took advantage of those bad times and drafted guys like Makar, Drouin traded for Sergechev, Foote, Fox, Shesterkin, Schneider and added them to the remaining core for the next phase. Guys from the core were moved and the team altered.

We don't know who they drafted because they are afraid to develop them.

 

[Menzinger]

I would start planning for the future right now.
As I’ve said, I would move Muzzin,Nylander and look for a solid C and RHD.

Start drafting hard so in 2 years, we can have the support like a Schneider/Fox/Foote that NY/Colorado/Tampa has to support Matthews/Marner/Rielly on better contracts.

We don’t have anyone after 2016 Matthews draft playing a prominent role on the team today.

Then when JT is up, you have enough cash to build an entire line to support.

Start preparing now. Don’t wait for guys to maybe text-sign, walk or give away picks.

I don't think the team can afford to just write off the rest of Matthews contract like that waiting for assets to develop. They need to maximize competitiveness now.

 

[notbias]

I would start planning for the future right now.
As I’ve said, I would move Muzzin,Nylander and look for a solid C and RHD.

Start drafting hard so in 2 years, we can have the support like a Schneider/Fox/Foote that NY/Colorado/Tampa has to support Matthews/Marner/Rielly on better contracts.

We don’t have anyone after 2016 Matthews draft playing a prominent role on the team today.

Then when JT is up, you have enough cash to build an entire line to support.

Start preparing now. Don’t wait for guys to maybe text-sign, walk or give away picks.

Schneider and Foote are playing prominent roles? Liljegren was playing 8 mins more per game than Schneider and Foote...

Both players are not good

Fox is amazing and I hope players start refusing to sign with anyone who isn't Toronto, we would get really good fast.