Re-tooling For One More Run With This Core

[myleafs]

They scored 2 goals in game 7. Tampa scored 2 goals in game seven.

The refs decided it. They were able to freely interfere on their goals...we had ours called back.

Vas certainly couldn't shut the door in game 5. And game 6 Tampa was gifted almost a full 5-3 to tie the game. Do you think we couldn't score on Vas with a full 5-3? We did in the first game.

This series was dead even. The refs dictated the outcome. The refs for game 4 were so god damn awfully one sided that they are not going to be refereeing again these playoffs.

That's the game where they gifted Tampa 8 f***ing powerplays? Matthews almost sat for a full period for christ sakes.

That's what I saw. That's how it is.

Bolded is wrong and nothing you say will change that. Living in the past and making excuses is one way to deal with failure I guess, just not an effective one imo.

 

[Menzinger]

I know your sincere in saying this stuff and I mean no disrespect to your opinion but if the leafs brass feel like you do (which very well could be the case) then we are hooped in my opinion. Making excuses (again) or blaming outside forces that you have no control over for failure only leads to more failure imo. It's always something and will always be something so come to terms with that and do what you gotta do to get the job done. Period. Full stop. As some old wise creature once said.....There is no try, only do.

The flip side here is there's literally nothing any management group can do to guarantee a series victory. They can only out pieces together that gives you a good chance and hope things go the right way. We just saw a series that went 7 games and ended in 2-1 loss which is about as close as one can come.

Frustrating to see happen again, I agree, but let's face it, did they were to play that series from scratch again we may very well see a different outcome.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

"One more run" with this core".

After squandering the 3-2 series lead vs Boston, I heard "one more run with this core".

After the shameful and humiliating loss to (lol) Columbus, I hear "One more run with this core... and i MEAN it this time."

After the legendary and pathetic collapse to Montreal after securing a 3-1 series lead, it was now "One more run with this core. Seriously. Enough is enough. They have one more shot. That's IT!!!!!"

And now here we are. A blown 3-2 series lead. And it's "one more run with this core" all over again.

I can't write anything close to what I really want to right or I'll be banned outright.

So I'll just leave it as I'm now convinced it will literally ALWAYS be "one more chance". Forever. It will literally never end.

 

[Lightsol]

A little adversity can make you stronger. They’re mentally weak because they’re overprotected.

Yeah, clearly there's no adversity playing on a team in Toronto that keeps coming up short. None at all...

 

[Drytoast]

Bolded is wrong and nothing you say will change that. Living in the past and making excuses is one way to deal with failure I guess, just not an effective one imo.

I saw one goal count and one goal called back. That's how it was. Can't beat the refs.

 

[Dreakmur]

Yeah, clearly there's no adversity playing on a team in Toronto that keeps coming up short. None at all...

The players are hidden away from the media all year and apparently they don’t have to perform to be given job security.

 

[Lightsol]

Regular season.

You're really willing to do a repeat of the late 90's, aren't you? All we heard then was "Regular season don't matter, we need to win in the playoffs!", and so they started trading for "playoff winners"... And set the team back 5 years, as well as created a team that couldn't MAKE the playoffs.

The players are hidden away from the media all year and apparently they don’t have to perform to be given job security.

That's ridiculous. Burke protected the players from the media too, but if you're going to tell me Phaneuf and Kessel didn't suffer from the lack of winning because Burke protected them, I don't know what to say...

 

[Dreakmur]

That's ridiculous. Burke protected the players from the media too, but if you're going to tell me Phaneuf and Kessel didn't suffer from the lack of winning because Burke protected them, I don't know what to say...

Those leafs were not sheltered like the current group. That’s what was so laughable about Shanahan’s disingenuous comment about how connected the players feel to the fans. What’s the connection? There’s less interaction than there has ever been.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

If Dubas didn't spend him time drafting mostly 5 foot nothing prospects maybe the leafs would have a shot at a decent prospect pool. The real issue here is Dubas, like his predecessor Burke, acts like hes the smartest in the room and quickly get slapped in the face by reality.

So if they were 6'2, they would be in the NHL already? That's didn't seem to work out to well under Lou/Hunter, Burke/Morrison or Nonis/Morrison. Just because you're taller, doesn't mean you make the NHL any faster. And we have a very solid and deep pool.

5 out of the 11 players I listed are 6' or taller and 4 of them are 5'11, which isn't even small

 

[Drytoast]

Anyone tell Tie Domi and Darcy Tucker they were too short to play tough?

Tie Domi 5'10
Bob Probert 6'3

Loved Tie.

 

[Lightsol]

That seems like a very risky proposition.

Knowing the Leafs' luck, they trade for Price only to learn that two years ago was literally the last of the gas tank.

 

[thusk]

Just because you and your buddies talk about skill in a limited context doesn’t mean skating isn’t a skill. It absolutely is.

Hardest shot is about the skill of shooting. Like skating, it’s 90% n mechanical skill and 10% strength.

When you talk about skill player, its all about offensive skill most of the time... Its fine consider skating into skill but stop underrating physical aspect. Physical is as much important than speed. Its like you telling me rielly is more skilled than a Zdeno Chara at the same age because is by far faster than Chara... or makar is a more skilled dman than hedman because hes a better skater....

 

[Racer88]

Well, against the Habs the leafs looked like world beaters after 4 games and had it in the bag, then we know what happened. This year leafs looked very good against a very good team but when it came to crunch time the same thing happened. They were shut down.....a better effort?...sure but they still couldn't close the deal. I enjoyed the season as well and all the individual accolades but I just couldn't allow myself to get pulled into the hype....Ive been a leaf fan too long to fall for that one again and sure enough the bottom fell out. Im not sold on the make up of the team and feel we have too many of the same kind of player making the big bucks. Id rather have a stud dman and a stud goalie than Tavares and Nylander or at least 2 forwards who play a different style than those 2 guys. Matthews and Marner just about assure we will make the playoffs as long as they are here so why not go for a mixed bag of players who offer different things and just maybe we will see different results.

One simple reason we can’t go with 2 different players………Dubas. He made sure we would live or die with Tavares and so far it’s been a total failure

 

[Racer88]

"One more run" with this core".

After squandering the 3-2 series lead vs Boston, I heard "one more run with this core".

After the shameful and humiliating loss to (lol) Columbus, I hear "One more run with this core... and i MEAN it this time."

After the legendary and pathetic collapse to Montreal after securing a 3-1 series lead, it was now "One more run with this core. Seriously. Enough is enough. They have one more shot. That's IT!!!!!"

And now here we are. A blown 3-2 series lead. And it's "one more run with this core" all over again.

I can't write anything close to what I really want to right or I'll be banned outright.

So I'll just leave it as I'm now convinced it will literally ALWAYS be "one more chance". Forever. It will literally never end.

Ya it’s totally a running joke now. Shanny and Dubas staked their professional lives on a crazy model of spend 50% on the 4 same players and will not give up on it until ownerships removes them.

 

[Dreakmur]

When you talk about skill player, its all about offensive skill most of the time... Its fine consider skating into skill but stop underrating physical aspect. Physical is as much important than speed. Its like you telling me rielly is more skilled than a Zdeno Chara at the same age because is by far faster than Chara... or makar is a more skilled dman than hedman because hes a better skater....

It's not my fault you use words in the wrong context.

 

[saffronleaf]

Nothing he's one of those fans that gets emotional after a loss and decides that everything is the worst case scenario. He's already penciling in Matthews leaving next season.

This board has some of the dumbest fans on the Internet.

I don't think Matthews is leaving next season.

Carter Verhaeghe
Mason Marchment

Think it would have been handy to have these guys?

But I’m sure we got an absolute haul for them and that we didn’t just piss them away for nothing…..

What about Moglin he's tearing it up in Davos or something

 

[Menzinger]

So if they were 6'2, they would be in the NHL already? That's didn't seem to work out to well under Lou/Hunter, Burke/Morrison or Nonis/Morrison. Just because you're taller, doesn't mean you make the NHL any faster. And we have a very solid and deep pool.

5 out of the 11 players I listed are 6' or taller and 4 of them are 5'11, which isn't even small

There's also the fact that one would be pretty hard pressed to point to any significant team draft choice since 2018 who are clearly heading towards bust territory. Certainly not from anyone selected by the team in the first 3 rounds.

 

[saffronleaf]

"One more run" with this core".

After squandering the 3-2 series lead vs Boston, I heard "one more run with this core".

After the shameful and humiliating loss to (lol) Columbus, I hear "One more run with this core... and i MEAN it this time."

After the legendary and pathetic collapse to Montreal after securing a 3-1 series lead, it was now "One more run with this core. Seriously. Enough is enough. They have one more shot. That's IT!!!!!"

And now here we are. A blown 3-2 series lead. And it's "one more run with this core" all over again.

I can't write anything close to what I really want to right or I'll be banned outright.

So I'll just leave it as I'm now convinced it will literally ALWAYS be "one more chance". Forever. It will literally never end.

they should be playing this song at the end of games and for goals or whatever. the new motto.

 

[Azail]

"One more run" with this core".

After squandering the 3-2 series lead vs Boston, I heard "one more run with this core".

After the shameful and humiliating loss to (lol) Columbus, I hear "One more run with this core... and i MEAN it this time."

After the legendary and pathetic collapse to Montreal after securing a 3-1 series lead, it was now "One more run with this core. Seriously. Enough is enough. They have one more shot. That's IT!!!!!"

And now here we are. A blown 3-2 series lead. And it's "one more run with this core" all over again.

I can't write anything close to what I really want to right or I'll be banned outright.

So I'll just leave it as I'm now convinced it will literally ALWAYS be "one more chance". Forever. It will literally never end.

Disagree, I think this will be their last chance. Furthermore:

I didn't hear that after they lost to Boston. If people said that, no idea what they were thinking.

Columbus that was 2 wildcard teams, so it wasn't really humiliating. Just because it is a non-hockey market doesn't mean it is humiliating.

Last year was the bad one absolutely. There is not denying that. Montreal should not have won that series, but they did. They have to own that. If they made changes last year I would have been all for it. I wanted Marner traded for example. Thankfully I am not the GM as I think he was incredible this year and took a huge step.

Did you really think they were guaranteed a win against Tampa? I went in thinking it was a 50/50 series. And that is exactly what it was.

Now if you think they should trade Nylander or Marner for the hell of it, that's fair. But you are most likely making the team worse. I read a lot of your posts and see the frustration and emotion behind it. I am frustrated too, but I would only trade Nylander out of the core, and I wouldn't do it just for a sake of change.

 

[saffronleaf]

getting past the first round seems like a sisyphean task for this squad

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

I don't think Matthews is leaving next season.




What about Moglin he's tearing it up in Davos or something

To be fair, Malgin is destroying the likes of Pierre Luc Dubois and Josh Anderson in points at the World Championships. The Leafs need to go all in with a pitch to try to bring him back to NA

 

[Dreakmur]

There's also the fact that one would be pretty hard pressed to point to any significant team draft choice since 2018 who are clearly heading towards bust territory. Certainly not from anyone selected by the team in the first 3 rounds.

Just like the trades and signings, Dubas has acquired good talent through the draft. The problem is that you don't build a good team by just assembling a whole pile of talent. The pieces need to fit together and you need a wide variety of different skillsets.

Toronto needs to both get value out of ELCs and add some specific pieces to their team..... but none of their prospects fit those needs.

Tavares needs to work with some down-low, methodical, wear-you-down cyclers to maximize his effectiveness. We have Knies, who apparently isn't signing this year. That leaves nobody, so we either acquire them from outside the organization, or we let Tavares continue to try to play a style that doesn't suit him.

We need to add at least one intimidating presence on defense. None of them in the system either.

We need to add some beef to the bottom 6. Douglas is pretty lonely on the list of prospects who can fit that.

 

[Dreakmur]

To be fair, Malgin is destroying the likes of Pierre Luc Dubois and Josh Anderson in points at the World Championships. The Leafs need to go all in with a pitch to try to bring him back to NA

I'm sure he's doing great playing on giant ice and in a tournament where physical play is only partially legal.

 

[TheRumble]

To be fair, Malgin is destroying the likes of Pierre Luc Dubois and Josh Anderson in points at the World Championships. The Leafs need to go all in with a pitch to try to bring him back to NA

I wouldn't look too much into it. Nikita Zaitsev looks like a completely different player on the wider ice but in the NHL he's a complete bum of a player.

PLD is better suited to smaller ice and less spacing.

Josh Anderson is not a very good NHL player IMO to begin with; he's an extremely one dimensional player that relies primarily on speed and rush chances to do anything. The bigger ice surface of IIHF takes away the one component of hockey he's good at.

 

[Canadian Finn]

They scored 2 goals in game 7. Tampa scored 2 goals in game seven.

The refs decided it. They were able to freely interfere on their goals...we had ours called back.

Vas certainly couldn't shut the door in game 5. And game 6 Tampa was gifted almost a full 5-3 to tie the game. Do you think we couldn't score on Vas with a full 5-3? We did in the first game.

This series was dead even. The refs dictated the outcome. The refs for game 4 were so god damn awfully one sided that they are not going to be refereeing again these playoffs.

That's the game where they gifted Tampa 8 f***ing powerplays? Matthews almost sat for a full period for christ sakes.

That's what I saw. That's how it is.

didn't expect dekes burner account to be drytoast.