RD Simon Edvinsson - Grand Rapids Griffins., AHL (2021, 6th, DET)

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

We shall see you never know, I still remember excitement around McIlrath . I also remember when Parayko and Zadorov had big hype. Point is, large defenceman are very hard to project.

Seriously?

Seider can skate circles around any of those guys you mention above. So can Edvinsson for that matter.

Here's an article worth checking out. It's older but still has valid information.
The Danger of Drafting 'Defensive' Defensemen

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Yes, and with the speed of today's game, risk management has become even that much more important. Defensemen who are consistently able to make the right play in their own end under pressure are unbelievably valuable because not many exist.

Seider has that ultra-rare combination of outstanding physical tools along with a state of the art CPU. If Edvinsson, who seems to have roughly the same physical skills as Seider, comes even close in the processing department, this is gonna be fun to watch.

Edvinsdon's coaches comments regarding his calmness with the puck along with him being on the top pair as an 18 y/o are pretty encouraging.

Hey Stoney, if Seider is the German Andreas Lilja, does that make Edvinsson the Swedish Pete Worrell? Who do you think he compares to?

 

[r0bert8841]

Seider has that ultra-rare combination of outstanding physical tools along with a state of the art CPU. If Edvinsson, who seems to have roughly the same physical skills as Seider, comes even close in the processing department, this is gonna be fun to watch.

Edvisson is exciting because he has tools Seider doesn't have. He has a huge reach and an even huger stick. Like his stick is long even for someone his size. And from the 2 preseason games I have watched he is really really good with it defensively. Its probably his best skill. If he has half the processing ability of Seider they are going to be terrifying to play.

If I had to pick a pairing they would compare to, at their full potential, it would be Pronger - Neidermeyer. Except Pronger and Neids had a terrible accident in a nuclear lab and had to swap playing styles and skill sets.

Seider is Pronger in Neidermeyers body (eh maybe a little bigger than Neids)
Edvisson is Neidermeyer in Prongers body. (speed!)

Offensively they will most likely be nothing like Neidermeyer-Pronger.

thats my best attempt at a comparison. Both Seider and Edvisson are quite unique players so finding a comparable isn't easy.

 

[newfy]

McIlrath was questionable right from the start. Ducks fans, me included, were going crazy about Rangers picking him as well as Stars picking Cambell.

Ristolainen was considered risky at the time as well as far as I remember, because of his defensive game.

As with Seider his only knock was playing in a lesser league (German - which is producing more and more talent now tho). Seider has done nothing but exceeded expectations since the draft, which was not the case with McIlrath or even Risto as far as I can remember.

Seider turned 20 only at the end of this season but look at this. He is massively underlooked still:

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Reminds me of Dostal – he did incredible in Finland but it means nothing as far as NA analyst coverage goes. Same with Seider, who I think is pretty much a lock to become a top pair dman. Just look at his achievements – it shows how skilled and smart he is but note that he can ragdoll guys in pro-leagues already.

If he didnt get stuck playing in the death group at his only world juniors, he would have won best defeseman of the tournament as a draft+1 too.

Theres no point in even hoping Edvinsson will get close to as decorated as Seider before he comes to North America. Theres barely any prospects that ever have been that decorated

 

[Ricelund]

If Moritz Seider is the right-side first pairing defender of the future, we have to see Edvinsson as his partner on the left. A massive blueliner who has – by far – the best combination of speed and puck skills of any defender in this draft class, he spent most of his draft year playing against men in Sweden after the junior league was shut down, playing double digit games in both of Sweden’s top two leagues. He is rawer than Seider was in the latter’s draft year, but I expect him to continue to develop in the SHL this year, and his upside is as a Norris Trophy finalist.

 

[wetcoast]

McIlrath was questionable right from the start. Ducks fans, me included, were going crazy about Rangers picking him as well as Stars picking Cambell.

Ristolainen was considered risky at the time as well as far as I remember, because of his defensive game.

As with Seider his only knock was playing in a lesser league (German - which is producing more and more talent now tho). Seider has done nothing but exceeded expectations since the draft, which was not the case with McIlrath or even Risto as far as I can remember.

Seider turned 20 only at the end of this season but look at this. He is massively underlooked still:

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Reminds me of Dostal – he did incredible in Finland but it means nothing as far as NA analyst coverage goes. Same with Seider, who I think is pretty much a lock to become a top pair dman. Just look at his achievements – it shows how skilled and smart he is but note that he can ragdoll guys in pro-leagues already.

who is Dostal?

 

[Pavels Dog]

who is Dostal?

I think that's an old wooden ship from the civil war era.

 

[Killerjas]

who is Dostal?

Lukas Dostal at eliteprospects.com

 

[wetcoast]

Lukas Dostal at eliteprospects.com

Goalies are by far the hardest to predict, that's why they rarely go as high as one might expect.

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

Edvinsson tallied an assist in a pretty complete SHL opener, despite Frolunda's loss.

Two of the most common criticisms have been his erratic passing and his offensive upside. I thought he looked mature in his passing today, and he was getting his shot through traffic with more consistency than I've seen in prior viewings.

His transition ability is always impressive, and defensively I thought he looked mature. He wasn't on the ice for any of Frolunda's defensive meltdowns.

If he performs like this consistently he'll have a very strong season.

Edit: added some fancy stats for context.

 

[shaner8989]

Gonna be absolute force in the NHL as soon as next year

 

[cjm502]

I wasn't a huge fan of the pick at the time but he seems to be better then advertised. If both Seider and Edvinsson pan out, the Wings defense could end up being an absolute force.

 

[newfy]

I wasn't a huge fan of the pick at the time but he seems to be better then advertised. If both Seider and Edvinsson pan out, the Wings defense could end up being an absolute force.

He was advertised as the second or third overall pick all season by Bob Mackenzie, its so weird that so many people missed that.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

He was advertised as the second or third overall pick all season by Bob Mackenzie, its so weird that so many people missed that.

Fail to understand what that has to do with what he said.

There are more scouting services.

 

[cjm502]

He was advertised as the second or third overall pick all season by Bob Mackenzie, its so weird that so many people missed that.

I get some had him ranked high, but many scouting reports had big question marks in his game from being raw, having erratic passing, and a lower IQ for a top pick. I don't see any of that so far. Honestly he seems like a pretty high IQ player to me.

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

Fail to understand what that has to do with what he said.

There are more scouting services.

Including Hockeyprospect, who absolutely loved him.

 

[Ricelund]

Larry Murphy recently said on a podcast that Detroit was surprised that Edvinsson was still available at #6.

 

[OiledUp]

I get some had him ranked high, but many scouting reports had big question marks in his game from being raw, having erratic passing, and a lower IQ for a top pick. I don't see any of that so far. Honestly he seems like a pretty high IQ player to me.

Pretty much every tall, somewhat skilled guy with good to great skating gets the lack of IQ tag by the scouting community if they're not completely obliterating their peers as teenagers or is a personal favourite of the person writing the report.
It's a difficult enough trait to pin point to give you a nice reason as to why you prefer others while you can always point to the "obvious tools" and him "figuring it out" if it turns out you're wrong in the end. A lot of the time it's just lazy analysis. Imho.

Or not all that humble to be fair. Just my opinion.

 

[newfy]

Including Hockeyprospect, who absolutely loved him.

In general, the more respected draft rankings were high on Edvinsson. Some "blogger scouts" weren't and it kinda caught on here. On the Athletic they talked about how high actual NHL scouts were on him and that it was by far the biggest gap in socuting of one prospect. With internet scouts being lower and actual NHL scouts loving him

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

Pretty much every tall, somewhat skilled guy with good to great skating gets the lack of IQ tag by the scouting community if they're not completely obliterating their peers as teenagers or is a personal favourite of the person writing the report.
It's a difficult enough trait to pin point to give you a nice reason as to why you prefer others while you can always point to the "obvious tools" and him "figuring it out" if it turns out you're wrong in the end. A lot of the time it's just lazy analysis. Imho.

Or not all that humble to be fair. Just my opinion.

Seems like he was also harmed by an unfair (and inaccurate) comparison to Philip Broberg, who really does have those problems.

 

[Eggtimer]

All I remember while reading and watching scouting reposts was that mostly everyone had Edvinsson below Power Clarke Hughes .
It was almost a tier below the first three pre draft . I do not understand why though? Some scouts mentioned his offensive ability is not up there there like what a high draft pick should have. Others said he lacks elite complete ability , while some mention the hockey IQ thing where they say that he reacts to,the game instead of being able to anticipate ? I guess we will see but to me I think all those are mostly inaccurate ?

 

[De Montreal]

Imagine he pans out, joins the Red Wings next year at the same time as Shane Wright, with Moritz Seider already having a season under his belt.

 

[Pavels Dog]

All I remember while reading and watching scouting reposts was that mostly everyone had Edvinsson below Power Clarke Hughes .
It was almost a tier below the first three pre draft . I do not understand why though? Some scouts mentioned his offensive ability is not up there there like what a high draft pick should have. Others said he lacks elite complete ability , while some mention the hockey IQ thing where they say that he reacts to,the game instead of being able to anticipate ? I guess we will see but to me I think all those are mostly inaccurate ?

Not gonna say he's proven everything wrong already, but if IQ was a serious issue he probably wouldn't get a top pairing role and 20 minutes a game.

 

[newfy]

Not gonna say he's proven everything wrong already, but if IQ was a serious issue he probably wouldn't get a top pairing role and 20 minutes a game.

Also true. Ranked highly by all the legit scouting services in his draft year and is now the top dman as a draft+1 guy on one of, if not the best defensive team in the SHL.

 

[WingsToPick4th]

Leddy - Seider
Edvinsson - Hronek
Johansson - Tuomisto