RD Simon Edvinsson - Grand Rapids Griffins., AHL (2021, 6th, DET)

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I read somewhere hes projected to play top pairing this year for Frolunda

From the almighty IcehockeyG twitter.

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

I didn't go to science school or nothin, but I think 1.98m is just shy of 6'6. Wow. Kid is even bigger than we thought.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I think Edvinsson is more of an all-around defenseman that needs to show the toolbox is going to translate as the tools do. I think Broberg is more of a rover. Skates better, bigger shot, handles the puck better, but lacks the passing ability of Edvinsson and more mistake-prone defensively. I don’t know how there couldn’t be hockey sense questions that come with how Broberg plays. I don’t know of many players who play at such a pace that don’t struggle with decision making. Edvinsson doesn’t have the apparent hockey sense problems, but you have to wonder why the performances aren’t as good as the tools suggest. He tends to play some very good games and then some very bad games. Is it a hockey sense issue why the toolbox isn’t translating as the tools suggest? Often times it is with players, although I don’t think it’s apparent yet why. It may also prove unfounded with continued development.

 

[molotce]

I think Edvinsson is more of an all-around defenseman that needs to show the toolbox is going to translate as the tools do. I think Broberg is more of a rover. Skates better, bigger shot, handles the puck better, but lacks the passing ability of Edvinsson and more mistake-prone defensively. I don’t know how there couldn’t be hockey sense questions that come with how Broberg plays. I don’t know of many players who play at such a pace that don’t struggle with decision making. Edvinsson doesn’t have the apparent hockey sense problems, but you have to wonder why the performances aren’t as good as the tools suggest. He tends to play some very good games and then some very bad games. Is it a hockey sense issue why the toolbox isn’t translating as the tools suggest? Often times it is with players, although I don’t think it’s apparent yet why. It may also prove unfounded with continued development.

I personally see broberg below Edvinsson, like not in the same tier. I think Edvinsson will prove it this season, having good offensive numbers (around 23pts in 40 games) and showing good defense and great transition play ! Only time will tell !

 

[Pavels Dog]

I think Edvinsson is more of an all-around defenseman that needs to show the toolbox is going to translate as the tools do. I think Broberg is more of a rover. Skates better, bigger shot, handles the puck better, but lacks the passing ability of Edvinsson and more mistake-prone defensively. I don’t know how there couldn’t be hockey sense questions that come with how Broberg plays. I don’t know of many players who play at such a pace that don’t struggle with decision making. Edvinsson doesn’t have the apparent hockey sense problems, but you have to wonder why the performances aren’t as good as the tools suggest. He tends to play some very good games and then some very bad games. Is it a hockey sense issue why the toolbox isn’t translating as the tools suggest? Often times it is with players, although I don’t think it’s apparent yet why. It may also prove unfounded with continued development.

I think this is pretty accurate.

So far Edvinsson's defensive toolbox looks a lot better than Broberg's to me. Evident by him getting a top-pairing treatment on Frölunda as well, while Broberg was pretty sheltered in Skellefteå. Consistency is key for both these players though, both game-to-game and shift-to-shift.

 

[Christien]

 

[Hen Kolland]

handles the puck better

I haven't seen a defenseman with the combination of size, skating, and puck handling ability that Edvinsson pairs together in a while. I actually think that his comfort in making high difficulty moves with the puck on his stick doesn't get enough attention.

 

[deca guard]

edvinsson 6'5'' still growing age 18 . it takes more years for a big body to fully develop coordination . once he does his edges and hands get better , shot gets better . becomes more athletic / agile on skates . this is type of prospect that could become a franchise player . this pick could feasibly become as good as the seider pick

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I think Edvinsson is more of an all-around defenseman that needs to show the toolbox is going to translate as the tools do. I think Broberg is more of a rover. Skates better, bigger shot, handles the puck better, but lacks the passing ability of Edvinsson and more mistake-prone defensively. I don’t know how there couldn’t be hockey sense questions that come with how Broberg plays. I don’t know of many players who play at such a pace that don’t struggle with decision making. Edvinsson doesn’t have the apparent hockey sense problems, but you have to wonder why the performances aren’t as good as the tools suggest. He tends to play some very good games and then some very bad games. Is it a hockey sense issue why the toolbox isn’t translating as the tools suggest? Often times it is with players, although I don’t think it’s apparent yet why. It may also prove unfounded with continued development.

The skating difference between Edvinsson and Broberg isn't that big. Both are elite level skaters. I think Broberg might edge him in straight ahead speed but Edvinsson is really agile.
I also think you're off on the puckhandling. Edvinsson is a fantastic stickhandler. The guy is really good at protecting the puck in traffic. Broberg is no slouch but Edvinsson is really, really good.


This video shows some of his carries. Very strong puck protection while moving it up ice and cycling in the offensive zone. Edvinsson looks better in a team cycle whereas Broberg generates his chances more off rush offense. I think that will be fine for a team like the Oilers that play that kind of style.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I haven't seen a defenseman with the combination of size, skating, and puck handling ability that Edvinsson pairs together in a while. I actually think that his comfort in making high difficulty moves with the puck on his stick doesn't get enough attention.

I mean, Mo Seider is still in Detroit's system. 6'4" with great speed and stickhandling.

Still, if Seider and Edvinsson pan out it will be incredibly fun to watch Detroit's blueline for a long time.

 

[Hen Kolland]

I mean, Mo Seider is still in Detroit's system. 6'4" with great speed and stickhandling.

Still, if Seider and Edvinsson pan out it will be incredibly fun to watch Detroit's blueline for a long time.

I’d say Seider is a competent puck handler and protects the puck well. Edvinsson is a superior puck handler in the sense that he can completely turn a defender around. He has moments where he can slip people in a phone booth.

And Seider’s game relies very little on his puck skills. His patience and understanding of how to manipulate forecheckers is how he manages and beats pressure.

That is actually why I think Seider is the obvious better prospect at this point. Because the brain does the same work (or more) more efficiently than pure physical tools

 

[newfy]

Just read that when he measured in with Frolunda this season hes up to 6'6 now.

Very rare to see a guy that young at 6'6 be as coordinated as he is on his feet. Definitely seems like a swing for the fences pick where he has the skill to potentially end up better than a 6th overall pick

 

[wings5]

Just read that when he measured in with Frolunda this season hes up to 6'6 now.

Very rare to see a guy that young at 6'6 be as coordinated as he is on his feet. Definitely seems like a swing for the fences pick where he has the skill to potentially end up better than a 6th overall pick

Will be interesting to compare him to Power over the years, two 6'6 behemoths . Ideally Edvinsson plays two more SHL seasons before making the jump to North America.

 

[bsu]

I take Edvinsson over Broberg 10 out of 10 times.

 

[GetFocht]

Edvinsson-Sieder remind me of Dahlin-Ristolalinen pairing.

 

[wings5]

Edvinsson-Sieder remind me of Dahlin-Ristolalinen pairing.

I wouldn't call them similar, I also hope Sieder ends up alot better than Risto has been

 

[Kalv]

I wouldn't call them similar, I also hope Sieder ends up alot better than Risto has been

It looks pretty certain that Seider will be better than Risto, imo

 

[TeddyBare]

6'6 WoW

Be super curious what his reach is, he could so difficult to go against on the rush.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Edvinsson-Sieder remind me of Dahlin-Ristolalinen pairing.

Outside of the combined height of the pairings, there isn't much similar at all.

Risto is a high risk offensive defenseman who is terrible in his own end. Dahlin is a high risk offensive defenseman who is terrible in his own end.

Edvinsson and Seider are both lauded for strong defensive play and being pretty physical. These are guys that, at least at the SHL and AHL level, manage risk very well. I haven't seen that yet from Dahlin and we know that Ristolainen just...can't.

 

[Stony Curtis]

Outside of the combined height of the pairings, there isn't much similar at all.

Risto is a high risk offensive defenseman who is terrible in his own end. Dahlin is a high risk offensive defenseman who is terrible in his own end.

Edvinsson and Seider are both lauded for strong defensive play and being pretty physical. These are guys that, at least at the SHL and AHL level, manage risk very well. I haven't seen that yet from Dahlin and we know that Ristolainen just...can't.

Yes, and with the speed of today's game, risk management has become even that much more important. Defensemen who are consistently able to make the right play in their own end under pressure are unbelievably valuable because not many exist.

Seider has that ultra-rare combination of outstanding physical tools along with a state of the art CPU. If Edvinsson, who seems to have roughly the same physical skills as Seider, comes even close in the processing department, this is gonna be fun to watch.

Edvinsdon's coaches comments regarding his calmness with the puck along with him being on the top pair as an 18 y/o are pretty encouraging.

 

[deca guard]

Yes, and with the speed of today's game, risk management has become even that much more important. Defensemen who are consistently able to make the right play in their own end under pressure are unbelievably valuable because not many exist.

Seider has that ultra-rare combination of outstanding physical tools along with a state of the art CPU. If Edvinsson, who seems to have roughly the same physical skills as Seider, comes even close in the processing department, this is gonna be fun to watch.

Edvinsdon's coaches comments regarding his calmness with the puck along with him being on the top pair as an 18 y/o are pretty encouraging.

this is how i see it too . ide tell all my scouts the most important factor were looking for in dmen is puck prossesing under pressure in own end .

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Yes, and with the speed of today's game, risk management has become even that much more important. Defensemen who are consistently able to make the right play in their own end under pressure are unbelievably valuable.

Seider has that ultra-rare combination of outstanding physical tools along with a state of the art CPU. If Edvinsson, who seems to have roughly the same physical skills as Seider, comes even close in the processing department, this is gonna be fun to watch.

Edvinsdon's coaches comments regarding his calmness with the puck along with him being on the top pair as an 18 y/o are pretty encouraging.

You might like hearing this: Of defensemen that were drafted in the 1st and 2nd round from 2005 to 2021, there are only 4 defensemen that have played as top pair defensemen in their first full SHL season (Beginning draft year to D+2).
Victor Hedman (draft year) Rasmus Dahlin (draft year) Moritz Seider (D+2 but he was 1st pair in the AHL in his D+1) and if we're going WAY back Mattias Ohlund (D+1 in 1995)

Some that were close are Nils Lundqvist ( 2nd full season in the SHL before he was top pair) Adam Larsson was first pair in his D-1 but not in his draft year for whatever reason.
Mattias Ekholm was drafted in the 4th round as an overager and became a 1st pair defender in his 1st SHL season.

Simon Edvinsson in his D+1 will be playing 1st pair in Frolunda in his first full SHL season.

 

[wings5]

It looks pretty certain that Seider will be better than Risto, imo

We shall see you never know, I still remember excitement around McIlrath . I also remember when Parayko and Zadorov had big hype. Point is, large defenceman are very hard to project.

 

[Pavels Dog]

We shall see you never know, I still remember excitement around McIlrath . I also remember when Parayko and Zadorov had big hype. Point is, large defenceman are very hard to project.

You remember excitement around McIlrath?

None of those 3 had done anything at 20 that remotely resembled what Seider has.

 

[Kalv]

We shall see you never know, I still remember excitement around McIlrath . I also remember when Parayko and Zadorov had big hype. Point is, large defenceman are very hard to project.

McIlrath was questionable right from the start. Ducks fans, me included, were going crazy about Rangers picking him as well as Stars picking Cambell.

Ristolainen was considered risky at the time as well as far as I remember, because of his defensive game.

As with Seider his only knock was playing in a lesser league (German - which is producing more and more talent now tho). Seider has done nothing but exceeded expectations since the draft, which was not the case with McIlrath or even Risto as far as I can remember.

Seider turned 20 only at the end of this season but look at this. He is massively underlooked still:

Reminds me of Dostal – he did incredible in Finland but it means nothing as far as NA analyst coverage goes. Same with Seider, who I think is pretty much a lock to become a top pair dman. Just look at his achievements – it shows how skilled and smart he is but note that he can ragdoll guys in pro-leagues already.