RD Simon Edvinsson - Grand Rapids Griffins., AHL (2021, 6th, DET)

[molotce]

No. Seider was a good pick. A surprising pick to some but I judged it as a good pick when it was made.
There were better players ahead of Edvinsson. And Wallstedt has been consistently rated as the top goalie in the draft by pretty much everyone. Cossa had a late first/early second round grade. Eye test don't lie either when you watch both goalies play.

I think he was sarcastic ? Also hockeyprospect and others had cossa ahead of wallstedt, edvinsson is a good big fast d-man. I think it was a good draft for the wings

 

[Devil made me do it]

I think he was sarcastic ? Also hockeyprospect and others had cossa ahead of wallstedt, edvinsson is a good big fast d-man. I think it was a good draft for the wings

My reply was in response to his sarcasm. Which others had Cossa ahead of Wallstedt?

 

[Pavels Dog]

No. Seider was a good pick. A surprising pick to some but I judged it as a good pick when it was made.
There were better players ahead of Edvinsson. And Wallstedt has been consistently rated as the top goalie in the draft by pretty much everyone. Cossa had a late first/early second round grade. Eye test don't lie either when you watch both goalies play.

Cossa was ranked 15th in Mackenzie's rankings, Edvinsson 3rd. That's one of the more reputable rankings out there.

Time will tell but neither guy was a reach by any means and they both adress some of the biggest holes in the Wings organizational pipeline.

 

[Ezekial]

It’s hilarious when people who have done a fraction of the research NHL scouting departments have done on these kids think they know better. Edvinsson wasn’t who I wanted Wings to take but I’m not gonna pretend like I know more because I saw a few clips and some public draft rankings lmao

Excuse me, sir, but I watched the whole Scouching video on Edvinsson so I think I did plenty of research.

 

[ThankGord]

I will say, his track record with high picks in Tampa is downright bad. Did an amazing job getting steals out of later picks + found money from undrafted free agents, but Brett Connolly? Jonathan Drouin? Slater Koekkoek? Those are bad picks.

As if it's just Yzerman picking and there's no input from the scouting department. Completely different organizations with different front offices and scouts. Detroit has a very strong presence in Sweden.

 

[molotce]

My reply was in response to his sarcasm. Which others had Cossa ahead of Wallstedt?

Wings scouts? I mean it
Wasnt even a reach and at
Least some nhl scouts agreed ;

My reply was in response to his sarcasm. Which others had Cossa ahead of Wallstedt?

4’of 10 scouts surveyed by mckenzie had cossa before wallstedt. Cossa brings that enormous frame, it was almost a 50/50 for nhl scouts and obviously wings scouts were in that opinion.
Just not a wild or bad pick in my
Opinion, i prefer
Cossa too

 

[newfy]

I will say, his track record with high picks in Tampa is downright bad. Did an amazing job getting steals out of later picks + found money from undrafted free agents, but Brett Connolly? Jonathan Drouin? Slater Koekkoek? Those are bad picks.

Connolly was his very first draft and it actually wasnt a bad pick. Skinner went the pick right after and then a shit load of busts. Koekoek same thing, one good player (Forsberg) and then a bunch of nobodies. No one picking in those first rounds got much to show for it

 

[Ezekial]

Wrong thread

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Detroit did very well to pick him, just a stellar player and can form an insane pairing with Seider or each carry their pairing for 24+ minutes.

 

[IceManCat]

This has got to be the most intriguing player in the draft

 

[IceManCat]

Detroit with two headscratchers in this draft. You had the opportunity to draft Eklund and Wallstedt but instead chose Edvinson and Cossa??? It's bizarre. A perfect example of a GM trying to outsmart himself.

I mean Yzerman built a back to back Stanley Cup winner. Hard to image the other GM's who didnt are smarter than him. Doesnt make much sense to follow that logic.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I mean Yzerman built a back to back Stanley Cup winner. Hard to image the other GM's who didnt are smarter than him. Doesnt make much sense to follow that logic.

Al Murray did a terrific job of scouting for Tampa Bay during Yzerman's tenure.
Al Murray at eliteprospects.com

On top of that Yzerman cleaned house and got HIS guys in pretty much all the other key positions. He did a great job of surrounding himself with some very smart hockey people in Tampa Bay.

In Detroit he kept a lot of the guys that Holland hired like Cleary, Draper, Horcoff, Fischer, AGM Ryan Martin, director of analytics Bryan Campbell. I'm not sure if that's the best move yet. I don't know how good Cleary and Horcoff are at their jobs as directors of player development. And Draper as director of scouting after years as "special assistant to the GM" seems like kind of a head scratcher. But we'll see how it all works out in a few years, right?

 

[Sweetpotato]

No. Seider was a good pick. A surprising pick to some but I judged it as a good pick when it was made.
There were better players ahead of Edvinsson. And Wallstedt has been consistently rated as the top goalie in the draft by pretty much everyone. Cossa had a late first/early second round grade. Eye test don't lie either when you watch both goalies play.

They preferred Cossa because while being a fairly big frame himself, he's more athletic than Wallstedt. I had Wallstedt ahead of him but I don't think it's crazy to have chosen Cossa, he's probably the safer pick.

With that said Edvinsson is the opposite, he's got the highest ceiling in the draft but he's a raw talent. Where as someone like Clarke would've been the safer pick but they went boom/bust instead.

At this point in their rebuild, Yzerman is likely thinking they have a draft or 2 left at the bottom to pick up 2 star forwards so he's building from the net out in Cossa/Seider/Edvinsson so by the time the forwards are ready the D will be to.

 

[Devil made me do it]

Edvinsson does not have a higher ceiling than Luke Hughes who is still only 17 btw.

Wallstedt was the consensus nr.1 goalie in this draft. In fact there was a huge gap between him and Cossa by most scouts.
Some experts projected him as an even better talent than Askarov.
Wild had the best draft imo. What a steal for them.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Edvinsson does not have a higher ceiling than Luke Hughes who is still only 17 btw.

Wallstedt was the consensus nr.1 goalie in this draft. In fact there was a huge gap between him and Cossa by most scouts.
Some experts projected him as an even better talent than Askarov.
Wild had the best draft imo. What a steal for them.

I personally would have much preferred Hughes and I think he’ll be better. I think Edvinsson has decent bust potential, though I’m happy with the pick.

But ceiling I don’t think is a debate. Almost the entire reason Edvinsson was ranked so high was potential ceiling. If he reaches his potential he’s the best player in this draft - 6’4” extremely smooth skating Dman with plus offense and great shutdown ability. That’s Norris caliber. It’s a BIG “if” though.

 

[Fatass]

I see Jay Boumeister, and that’s a heck of a good player.

 

[newfy]

Edvinsson does not have a higher ceiling than Luke Hughes who is still only 17 btw.

Wallstedt was the consensus nr.1 goalie in this draft. In fact there was a huge gap between him and Cossa by most scouts.
Some experts projected him as an even better talent than Askarov.
Wild had the best draft imo. What a steal for them.

Bob McKenzie had Wallstedt rated 2 or 3 spots higher than Cossa and said that some teams have Cossa rated higher, not some made up big gap.

Hughes being younger by 8 months doesnt make his ceiling magically higher either. Most scouts actually had him lower than Edvinsson but went higher because of his brother if anything.

I see Jay Boumeister, and that’s a heck of a good player.

A Bouwmeester with a bit of grit mixed in. Maybe a grittier TJ Brodie is another one I've thought of.

Detroits defense is gonna look like the Monstars from space jam soon

 

[Fatass]

Bob McKenzie had Wallstedt rated 2 or 3 spots higher than Cossa and said that some teams have Cossa rated higher, not some made up big gap.

Hughes being younger by 8 months doesnt make his ceiling magically higher either. Most scouts actually had him lower than Edvinsson but went higher because of his brother if anything.



A Bouwmeester with a bit of grit mixed in. Maybe a grittier TJ Brodie is another one I've thought of.

Detroits defense is gonna look like the Monstars from space jam soon

Yup. Just look at this year’s Cup Final. Bigger on D was clearly good. Bigger and tough as hell and mean, was even better.

 

[lucaseider]

Yup. Just look at this year’s Cup Final. Bigger on D was clearly good. Bigger and tough as hell and mean, was even better.

Ya, they have plenty mean with seider.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Al Murray did a terrific job of scouting for Tampa Bay during Yzerman's tenure.
Al Murray at eliteprospects.com

On top of that Yzerman cleaned house and got HIS guys in pretty much all the other key positions. He did a great job of surrounding himself with some very smart hockey people in Tampa Bay.

In Detroit he kept a lot of the guys that Holland hired like Cleary, Draper, Horcoff, Fischer, AGM Ryan Martin, director of analytics Bryan Campbell. I'm not sure if that's the best move yet. I don't know how good Cleary and Horcoff are at their jobs as directors of player development. And Draper as director of scouting after years as "special assistant to the GM" seems like kind of a head scratcher. But we'll see how it all works out in a few years, right?

I feel like Yzerman has been told he isn't allowed to clean house, probably as part of that good old Ilitch loyalty that kept guys like Brandon Inge and Holland around for way too long. It's definitely holding him back.

I expect a lot of those guys are going to get cleared out, but I feel like their scouting is still being held back by all the Holland era holdovers. Yzerman seems to be leaning on Hakan hard with all these weird Euro picks, because he doesn't trust his NA scouting.

 

[Nabrules]

Edvinsson does not have a higher ceiling than Luke Hughes who is still only 17 btw.

Wallstedt was the consensus nr.1 goalie in this draft. In fact there was a huge gap between him and Cossa by most scouts.
Some experts projected him as an even better talent than Askarov.
Wild had the best draft imo. What a steal for them.

Your thinking is very dated. Sure the consensus Wallstedt was the top goalie but Bob McKenzie said multiple teams has Cossa ahead and that he has a higher ceiling than Wallstede because of his athleticism.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I feel like Yzerman has been told he isn't allowed to clean house, probably as part of that good old Ilitch loyalty that kept guys like Brandon Inge and Holland around for way too long. It's definitely holding him back.

I expect a lot of those guys are going to get cleared out, but I feel like their scouting is still being held back by all the Holland era holdovers. Yzerman seems to be leaning on Hakan hard with all these weird Euro picks, because he doesn't trust his NA scouting.

That's what worries me about Ilitch as owner versus a more progressive thinking Vinik. For instance, Holland being moved to a HIGHER position after 10 years of sucking as GM during the cap years (2009 to 2019) being awarded with a promotion. Where I work we jokingly call that failing up; a guy that sucks at his job so much that you can't fire so you promote him to prevent him from doing anymore harm.

 

[KevSkillz4]

Detroit with two headscratchers in this draft. You had the opportunity to draft Eklund and Wallstedt but instead chose Edvinson and Cossa??? It's bizarre. A perfect example of a GM trying to outsmart himself.

Yzerman is smart. Sakic level GM. Both have amazing NHL career and are pretty good GM. If Edvinson reach his potential... top pairing with Seider, it's more valuable than having Eklund (pretty amazing player too). Cossa have huge upside.

 

[Ricelund]

That's what worries me about Ilitch as owner versus a more progressive thinking Vinik. For instance, Holland being moved to a HIGHER position after 10 years of sucking as GM during the cap years (2009 to 2019) being awarded with a promotion. Where I work we jokingly call that failing up; a guy that sucks at his job so much that you can't fire so you promote him to prevent him from doing anymore harm.

I mean, I wouldn't call it a real "promotion" -- that's why he ended up leaving. He was kicked upstairs so Yzerman could take over.

 

[NJ Fan 12]

I personally would have much preferred Hughes and I think he’ll be better. I think Edvinsson has decent bust potential, though I’m happy with the pick.

But ceiling I don’t think is a debate. Almost the entire reason Edvinsson was ranked so high was potential ceiling. If he reaches his potential he’s the best player in this draft - 6’4” extremely smooth skating Dman with plus offense and great shutdown ability. That’s Norris caliber. It’s a BIG “if” though.

Strange as a Wings fan you'd have preferred Luke. I follow the Devils and was hoping they would have taken Simon. The Devils biggest weakness is defending and Hughes seems like more of the same - flash and sizzle but a question mark when it comes to his own zone. New Jersey has those players by the bucket full (including at times his brother - though in fairness he showed great progress in that area later in the season).

As for Wallstedt vs Cossa, yes scouts were split on the two and it's tough to criticize that pick.