RedHawkDown
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These terms are so useless and arbitrary.
Edvinsson has #1 All situations D potential. The end.
Edvinsson has #1 All situations D potential. The end.
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True. Everyone is butthurt over a Wings franchise that hasn't done anything for 15 years. Must be the leftover envy from the mid 90's juggernaut teams. Jealousy all around.
lucaseider
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One person said something about generational and your butt hurt carcass ran with it. Your crying about past cups kinda proves it.
Eggtimer
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Generational .. term gets overused .
Way too early to say they are both the best Dmen there is for the next 15 years when one has played one season and the other has yet to play one NHL game.
Yes , Seider looks like he will be a Norris nominee multiple years and Edvinsson looks like a very promising solid prospect. That’s about it for now
WhereAreTheCookies
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A lot of young Dmen have that potential, not sure why anyone gets upset over Wings fans being high on their own prospect. I'd say most teams have at least 1 kid they think the sky is the limit for.
Pavels Dog
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Makar was not a generational prospect though. 4th overall pick (and wasn't really considered a steal or anything like that). Only generational type D prospect in recent memory is Dahlin.
Lavar Ball
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I'm not saying he was a generational defenseman as a prospect. Seider wasn't considered a Franchise defenseman as a prospect either. But he has developed into one.
Northern Avs Fan
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I would agree with that. Nurse improved quite a bit though.
Just not sure I see high-end offence
with Edvinsson. When I hear the term ‘unicorn’ I think of rare, unseen talent. I’m just not there with him.
RedHawkDown
still trying to trust the yzerplan
I think people just mean he is a unique talent. He is rare and unseen in the sense he is a very tall guy who skates very, very well which is very uncommon at that size. His physical tools are very rare. That doesn’t mean he’ll be a franchise defenseman though.
Who said that was the only thing?
Lidstrom’s slap shot was fantastic. Great quick release (barely raised his stick more than 2’ off the ice), very accurate, and rarely got blocked. It just wasn’t 95 mph+. 85-90 is just fine to make for a great slap shot with those other attributes.
There are some Wings fans in here that are getting very ahead of themselves though.
Some saying he has no flaws other than his shot
Others saying they would be “extremely disappointed” if he became Nurse.
He could be a #1D, he could just as easy he a run of the middle top 4 guy. It’s even more likely he’s just a top 4D
So what are his flaws if not IQ?
RedHawkDown
still trying to trust the yzerplan
Do people realize it’s possible to be a player without significant flaws and still not be generational?
I don’t think Edvinsson has an issue with IQ. That being said, he is not anywhere near elite offensively and it’s questionable if he’ll be able to produce significant offense at the NHL level. He is also not very physical. He is fantastic defensively though.
I would say he is a player without significant flaws. However he similarly isn’t amazing in a few key areas like offense. Those things are what limit his upside.
There are lots of NHL players liek this - good at everything, not elite at anything. I don’t think Edvinsson is elite at anything other than defense, maybe. So he’s not generational.
Frolov 6'3
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So basically when he is playing great, you will always say; “he would have been better if he didnt have a suspected hockey IQ” instead of “I have been deadly wrong” ?
Some people
Pavels Dog
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Based on his tools and SHL performance, a "run of the middle" top 4 guy is not more likely at all. Not sure why you're so afraid to put some expectations on this guy.
Oddbob
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People love getting bent out of shape on any player from short tourneys good or bad. These tourneys almost exclusively mean nothing with regards to the NHL as many guys have lit up these tourneys and not even made the NHL and many have struggled in the tourneys and been awesome NHL players.
There a difference between expectations and “massively disappointing” if he only becomes a Nurse like D
Realgud
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I think it's almost impossible for him to be a run of the mill top 4 d at this point. He'll almost certainly be a high end or elite defensive defenseman. If his decision making with the puck is what it was in the SHL (where it was better according to some posters) then there's no reason to believe he can't be a true all around 1D, but that's up to him.
This is the overrating I’m talking about. There’s absolutely a possibility he’s worse than an “elite defensive D”.
Realgud
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I guess, but something would have to go completely wrong in his development. His defensive game at his age is as good as it can be for a prospect. Seriously, name me one prospect who's better at defending. I don't think I'm overrating him.
GermanSpitfire
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You can be a good player but have bad hockey IQ - look at Darnell Nurse, or Dion Phaneuf. They are/were excellent players, but they also can be frustrating to watch because of a track record of questionable decisions.So basically when he is playing great, you will always say; “he would have been better if he didnt have a suspected hockey IQ” instead of “I have been deadly wrong” ?
Some people
One good game won’t change the fact that Edvinsson has questionable decision making, he can work on it, yes but it should be noted improving one’s decision making is very difficult to improve upon.
I love it when you point out a flaw in a prospect’s game, in which it’s something that prospect need to work on going forward, and that prospect’s fan base come flying in defending him as if you’re saying that prospect is bad.
Some people…
Pavels Dog
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Questionable/suspect IQ is kind of a strange criticism if you watched him in the SHL though. If you were more detailed in your analysis I might understand what you're referring to, but watching him in 50+ games last season his IQ/decisionmaking certainly wasn't a regular or impactful problem.
LeProspector
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People think Edvinsson’s hockey IQ is good?
Hahahaha I think he proved at the WJC that you’re unequivocally wrong lmao
Hahahaha I think he proved at the WJC that you’re unequivocally wrong lmao
Realgud
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I think his IQ with the puck is not good and could limit his offensive upside, but that's from what I've seen. Some posters said it was much better in the SHL so I would still wait and see. I've seen him take some really good decisions with the puck but mostly in the defensive zone. I think, overall, it's more inconsistent than poor but getting that consistency is going to be difficult for sure. It might be a confidence issue.
His defensive IQ is excellent for his age, though. He anticipates plays very well and always seems to be ahead of what's gonna happen to cut plays defensively. He also reacts well to the opponent's handling of the puck to poke at the right time.
