RD Simon Edvinsson - Grand Rapids Griffins., AHL (2021, 6th, DET)

[bsu]

No one should be disappointed if he turns into Nurse.... They definitely should be disappointed if he gets the same contract Nurse got though....

I personally think he will be better than Nurse but it's early and anything is possible. He's a unicorn on skates.

 

[nbwingsfan]

No one should be disappointed if he turns into Nurse.... They definitely should be disappointed if he gets the same contract Nurse got though....

I personally think he will be better than Nurse but it's early and anything is possible. He's a unicorn on skates.

Yeah you “hope” he will be better because he has the tools to be a #1D but no one should be disappointed if he ends up as a 40pts top 4D

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

Doesn’t change the fact IQ has been a question of his for quite some time. Hopefully he continues to work on it

This is always hilarious and goes against the two people that likely know him best think, his head coach and Hakan:

“He’s the best guy I have coached over my 30 years (at) that age, if I (look at) the whole package,” Rönnberg said. “His decision-making is one of the best I’ve ever seen, how he’s reading the game, how he is adjusting, how he is learning about the game. He’s so open-minded, he takes instructions (superbly): You tell him a thing once and he likes it and understands why, he does it. He (doesn’t) just understand it, he’s actually putting it on the tape, on the ice.”

And in particular, it’s what Edvinsson has done off the puck at such a young age that has elicited that response.

“It’s so rare to see,” Rönnberg said. “Because almost every time I have had a guy in his age playing defense, I have to teach him how to play defensive, without the puck. But Simon, you tell him once: ‘in that corner, you can use the stick like this, your hand like this,’ boom. He does it. Shift after shift after shift, he does it. You show him one clip of a bad gap, he adjusts, boom. Next shift, he plays with a good gap. It’s really fun to work with him. He’s so smart.”

 

[nbwingsfan]

This is always hilarious and goes against the two people that likely know him best think, his head coach and Hakan:

“He’s the best guy I have coached over my 30 years (at) that age, if I (look at) the whole package,” Rönnberg said. “His decision-making is one of the best I’ve ever seen, how he’s reading the game, how he is adjusting, how he is learning about the game. He’s so open-minded, he takes instructions (superbly): You tell him a thing once and he likes it and understands why, he does it. He (doesn’t) just understand it, he’s actually putting it on the tape, on the ice.”

And in particular, it’s what Edvinsson has done off the puck at such a young age that has elicited that response.

“It’s so rare to see,” Rönnberg said. “Because almost every time I have had a guy in his age playing defense, I have to teach him how to play defensive, without the puck. But Simon, you tell him once: ‘in that corner, you can use the stick like this, your hand like this,’ boom. He does it. Shift after shift after shift, he does it. You show him one clip of a bad gap, he adjusts, boom. Next shift, he plays with a good gap. It’s really fun to work with him. He’s so smart.”

Guys who know him well in their own organization have high praises for him? I’m shocked!

So if his IQ is off the charts, and his tools are every single thing a D needs… why is exactly are you not labelling him a generational D prospect?

 

[GermanSpitfire]

He has always had suspect IQ. I don’t understand the people around here trying to say otherwise. It‘s his biggest flaw, always has been.

That’s not to say he isn’t a good prospect or won’t be good in the NHL - but it will be something that’ll limit what he’ll do at the NHL level for sure.

 

[Pavels Dog]

He has always had suspect IQ. I don’t understand the people around here trying to say otherwise. It‘s his biggest flaw, always has been.

He played a full SHL season vs. men where he dispelled a lot of notions about questionable IQ.

At minimum there needs to be more nuance to the analysis. Even in what was considered a weak WJC for him he still logged a ton of minutes and was mostly very solid defensively (such as playing 26 minutes in the bronze medal game).

 

[Jukurit]

He played a full SHL season vs. men where he dispelled a lot of notions about questionable IQ.

At minimum there needs to be more nuance to the analysis. Even in what was considered a weak WJC for him he still logged a ton of minutes and was mostly very solid defensively (such as playing 26 minutes in the bronze medal game).

Can the rink size have an effect on that? In a smaller rink need to make decisions quicker.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Can the rink size have an effect on that? In a smaller rink need to make decisions quicker.

Injuries/illness, and being on a team being coached by Monten.

Again, outside of Andrae abd Wallstedt nobody on that Swedish team matched or exceeded expectations. So either all prospects on that team are way worse than we all thought, or they were coached so poorly that it impacted everyone’s performance. I’d say the latter is more likely the case.

 

[RedHawkDown]

I think he will make our team this year and put up a Seider esque season. Very big shoes but I have faith

 

[Sweetpotato]

Not sure I see the unicorn type potential some people talk about. Could see him becoming a Nurse-like defenceman though.

I watched both extensively at the same age. Edvinsson is SIGNIFICANTLY better than Nurse at the same age. He doesn't possess the athleticism or the straight line speed Nurse has but he does every other than much better. Edvinsson is closer to Pietrangelo than Nurse.

 

[nbwingsfan]

He has always had suspect IQ. I don’t understand the people around here trying to say otherwise. It‘s his biggest flaw, always has been.

That’s not to say he isn’t a good prospect or won’t be good in the NHL - but it will be something that’ll limit what he’ll do at the NHL level for sure.

He still has all skills in the world to be a #1D but yeah if anything holds him back it’s likely his decision making

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

Guys who know him well in their own organization have high praises for him? I’m shocked!

So if his IQ is off the charts, and his tools are every single thing a D needs… why is exactly are you not labelling him a generational D prospect?

He does not have every single physical tool you want in a D. His shot is weak. Generational D prospects don’t have weak shots.

 

[Stony Curtis]

This is kinda funny. On one hand, we have older, nebulous comments critical of his decision making. On the other hand, we have newer, attributed comments from his SHL coach (not affiliated with the DRW) praising the very thing the others are criticizing. I'm in a quandry!! How can I possibly choose one of those opinions over the other? Woe is me!! If only there were a way for me to decide!!

*flips coin*

Clearly he lacks IQ.

 

[newfy]

He does not have every single physical tool you want in a D. His shot is weak. Generational D prospects don’t have weak shots.

That was the biggest knock on Seiders game before the NHL and his shot was just fine. A weak shot doesnt matter if it gets on net.

Lidstrom also didnt have a hard shot. Was one of the best ever at getting it through though

 

[bsu]

That was the biggest knock on Seiders game before the NHL and his shot was just fine. A weak shot doesnt matter if it gets on net.

Lidstrom also didnt have a hard shot. Was one of the best ever at getting it through though

Seider isn't a generational player or prospect.

 

[nbwingsfan]

He does not have every single physical tool you want in a D. His shot is weak. Generational D prospects don’t have weak shots.

So the only thing holding him back from being a generational player is working on his shot? Interesting

Also Lidstrom never had a great shot (accurate, far from hard) and he turned out not bad?

 

[Realgud]

This is kinda funny. On one hand, we have older, nebulous comments critical of his decision making. On the other hand, we have newer, attributed comments from his SHL coach (not affiliated with the DRW) praising the very thing the others are criticizing. I'm in a quandry!! How can I possibly choose one of those opinions over the other? Woe is me!! If only there were a way for me to decide!!

*flips coin*

Clearly he lacks IQ.

Has that same coach praised Raymond's IQ or not?

 

[nbwingsfan]

This is kinda funny. On one hand, we have older, nebulous comments critical of his decision making. On the other hand, we have newer, attributed comments from his SHL coach (not affiliated with the DRW) praising the very thing the others are criticizing. I'm in a quandry!! How can I possibly choose one of those opinions over the other? Woe is me!! If only there were a way for me to decide!!

*flips coin*

Clearly he lacks IQ.

Have you ever heard a coach, when asked about a young up and coming star, ever say “nah he’s not very good”?

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Have you ever heard a coach, when asked about a young up and coming star, ever say “nah he’s not very good”?

Yes. That's pretty much what Tomas Monten said about Ostlund when asked why he left him off the WJC U20 team.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Yes. That's pretty much what Tomas Monten said about Ostlund when asked why he left him off the WJC U20 team.

He didn’t, and a Swedish coach defending his season to leave a guy off a junior team versus coaching a guy all season is different but you already knew that

 

[nammerus]

Must be nice to have two generational (minus the shot) Dmen coming down pipeline for the Red Wings. Future's looking good.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Must be nice to have two generational (minus the shot) Dmen coming down pipeline for the Red Wings. Future's looking good.

Add a couple MPH to that slap shot and BOOM we have two Peak Chris Prongers according to some overly excited Wings fans

 

[Lavar Ball]

Generational - Makar
Franchise - Seider
Potential Star - Edvinsson

Neither are generational

 

[nbwingsfan]

Generational - Makar
Franchise - Seider
Potential Star - Edvinsson

Neither are generational

Pretty much this.

Edvisson COULD end up as good as Seider but that would require everything to go right and he’s just as likely, if not more so, to end up a run of the mill top 4D

 

[lucaseider]

Must be nice to have two generational (minus the shot) Dmen coming down pipeline for the Red Wings. Future's looking good.

Yes, because Everyone is calling them generational, so much butt hurt here.