RD Simon Edvinsson - Grand Rapids Griffins., AHL (2021, 6th, DET)

[bsu]

I take him over Luke Hughes as well. Detroit is lucky to have Seider and Edvinsson.... what a pair to play against.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Is he pushing 6'7 now? I've seen a lot of different heights listed and I'm not sure what's reliable at this point. But yeah his size and skating combination is certainly rare.

I could see either player developing into the more valuable NHLer. I think it's very close. If Edvinsson had been able to lock down that powerplay role on Frolunda and really showcase his ability to quarterback then it might be a different story for me. But right now that part of his game is just such a question mark. I like what he's done at the U20 level, and I think he has tools that suggest he can potentially quarterback an NHL powerplay. I think Red Wings fans underestimate that question mark in his game though.

I can see where the other strengths of his game outweigh that concern for some viewers. I do think they're very close as prospects.

His skating and stickhandling are at an elite level. Edvinsson is also able to penetrate the zone down low to make plays almost like a point guard in the NBA. His passing is also greatly improved over his draft season where it looked to be a point of concern. Edvinsson also plays a really smart defensive style. He's physical when it is needed. Other times he's great at gapping up or angling the opposition into the wall and forcing them to make a low percentage pass. His reach is scary and I've seen him pokecheck the puck away from an opponent from what seemed like 9 feet away.

Where I think Edvinsson needs to improve his game to become an all around beast:
His shot makes muffin shots look potent. It really is something that he needs to work on but I'm confident with time and practice it will improve.

A totally underrated defensive skill that isn't talked about nearly as much as it should; Holding the offensive blueline. This is something I said would make Seider a threat on the powerplay all the way back when he was a Griffin and I was right. When watching GRG games I would see Seider swat clearing attempts out of the air and keep the puck into the offensive zone, or he'd bat an offensive player's chip and chase attempt back to the neutral zone almost like Nick Lidstrom would. Adam Fox is another guy that is phenomenal at keeping play alive by stopping a clearing attempt.

I don't think Edvinsson has that hand-eye coordination yet, or the instinct to know when and where the puck is heading towards point just yet. It's not bad, but it's not at the same level as some of the great offensive defensemen at the moment. He's just learning when and how to pinch to hold the puck in or to disrupt a breakout. Once he gets this down I think his offense from the blueline becomes even better.

As he is now I'm confident that Edvinsson could become a 20-30 point defensive monster that can really help a team transition. A better shot and being able to hold the zone to prolong an offensive cycle could make him a 40-50 point guy.

 

[Eggtimer]

Edvinsson is a superior defender with skating that’s equal to or close to Hughes as well.

Meh. I wouldn’t say that. I think Edvinsson will be the better defender and some would say the better D as he will be better defensively , but his skating is not as good. Let’s not get crazy here. A 6’7” D with skating that is = Like (elite) ? I’d say it’s very good for his size .

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Meh. I wouldn’t say that. I think Edvinsson will be the better defender and some would say the better D as he will be better defensively , but his skating is not as good. Let’s not get crazy here. A 6’7” D with skating that is = Like (elite) ? I’d say it’s very good for his size .

Then you need to watch him more. His skating is elite. Period. Not "good for his size" or "good for a big man."

 

[bsu]

Meh. I wouldn’t say that. I think Edvinsson will be the better defender and some would say the better D as he will be better defensively , but his skating is not as good. Let’s not get crazy here. A 6’7” D with skating that is = Like (elite) ? I’d say it’s very good for his size .

Edvinsson is a great skater size or no size.

 

[newfy]

Meh. I wouldn’t say that. I think Edvinsson will be the better defender and some would say the better D as he will be better defensively , but his skating is not as good. Let’s not get crazy here. A 6’7” D with skating that is = Like (elite) ? I’d say it’s very good for his size .

Yeah his skating is elite full stop. He might not be quite on Hughes level but with his size, reach and skating I dont think its outrageous to think Edvinsson covers more ice than Hughes, even if h isnt quite as elite of a skater

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

His skating and stickhandling are at an elite level. Edvinsson is also able to penetrate the zone down low to make plays almost like a point guard in the NBA. His passing is also greatly improved over his draft season where it looked to be a point of concern. Edvinsson also plays a really smart defensive style. He's physical when it is needed. Other times he's great at gapping up or angling the opposition into the wall and forcing them to make a low percentage pass. His reach is scary and I've seen him pokecheck the puck away from an opponent from what seemed like 9 feet away.

Where I think Edvinsson needs to improve his game to become an all around beast:
His shot makes muffin shots look potent. It really is something that he needs to work on but I'm confident with time and practice it will improve.

A totally underrated defensive skill that isn't talked about nearly as much as it should; Holding the offensive blueline. This is something I said would make Seider a threat on the powerplay all the way back when he was a Griffin and I was right. When watching GRG games I would see Seider swat clearing attempts out of the air and keep the puck into the offensive zone, or he'd bat an offensive player's chip and chase attempt back to the neutral zone almost like Nick Lidstrom would. Adam Fox is another guy that is phenomenal at keeping play alive by stopping a clearing attempt.

I don't think Edvinsson has that hand-eye coordination yet, or the instinct to know when and where the puck is heading towards point just yet. It's not bad, but it's not at the same level as some of the great offensive defensemen at the moment. He's just learning when and how to pinch to hold the puck in or to disrupt a breakout. Once he gets this down I think his offense from the blueline becomes even better.

As he is now I'm confident that Edvinsson could become a 20-30 point defensive monster that can really help a team transition. A better shot and being able to hold the zone to prolong an offensive cycle could make him a 40-50 point guy.

Yeah I think that's a very good summary of Edvinsson's game and his projection. I definitely agree about the importance of a defender's ability to walk the blue line, it's one of Seider's strongest assets and is a big part of how well he's adjusted to quarterbacking our powerplay.

I think Edvinsson's tendency to really penetrate below the hash marks like you mentioned is part of the reason I'd like to see him paired with Seider. I think they have skill sets that complement each other nicely and would make a really formidable pairing. I get that some people would rather see them split up, but I'd rather have a great top pairing and use our prospect pool/cap space/trade capital to sort out the bottom four.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Is he pushing 6'7 now? I've seen a lot of different heights listed and I'm not sure what's reliable at this point. But yeah his size and skating combination is certainly rare.

I could see either player developing into the more valuable NHLer. I think it's very close. If Edvinsson had been able to lock down that powerplay role on Frolunda and really showcase his ability to quarterback then it might be a different story for me. But right now that part of his game is just such a question mark. I like what he's done at the U20 level, and I think he has tools that suggest he can potentially quarterback an NHL powerplay. I think Red Wings fans underestimate that question mark in his game though.

I can see where the other strengths of his game outweigh that concern for some viewers. I do think they're very close as prospects.

I mean, realistically, he'd have to be superior to Seider on the PP to take over Unit 1 anyways.

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

I mean, realistically, he'd have to be superior to Seider on the PP to take over Unit 1 anyways.

You're right, and I agree that's important in the context of the Wings' future, but I don't think it's as relevant in the conversation of Edvinsson vs. Hughes as prospects. It might not have come through, but I was trying to point out that my preference of Hughes on the powerplay was part of the reason I give him the slight edge over Edvinsson at this stage.

I definitely like Seider as a PP1 QB, but great teams generally have a couple of guys vying for those roles. Having two great quarterbacks would be a serious boon for Detroit. Our second unit is a tough watch.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Edvinsson is a great skater size or no size.

I think great is pushing it. He’s not a great skater if he’s 6’0. I think he’d be a good skater at that size.

 

[bsu]

I think great is pushing it. He’s not a great skater if he’s 6’0. I think he’d be a good skater at that size.

Cool.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Reposting this.

 

[kabidjan18]

In like 2-3 years time, Detroit will have the best blue like in the league. Moritz Seider, Simon Edvinsson, William Wallinder, and Gustav Lindstrom. That's ridiculous.

 

[WF19]

In like 2-3 years time, Detroit will have the best blue like in the league. Moritz Seider, Simon Edvinsson, William Wallinder, and Gustav Lindstrom. That's ridiculous.

Johannson is supposed to be pretty good as well

 

[theslatcher]

Johannson is supposed to be pretty good as well

Only need one more prospect from Swedish leagues to complete that fantasy Swedish (adjacent) d lineup.

Look out for Detroit drafting one of Bichsel, Odelius, M.Hävelid, maybe even Salomonsson so Yzerman can have his final piece.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

In like 2-3 years time, Detroit will have the best blue like in the league. Moritz Seider, Simon Edvinsson, William Wallinder, and Gustav Lindstrom. That's ridiculous.

Gustav Lindstrom doesn’t belong on any list of good defensemen.

 

[kabidjan18]

Gustav Lindstrom doesn’t belong on any list of good defensemen.

Are you a Detroit fan?

 

[Frk It]

I think great is pushing it. He’s not a great skater if he’s 6’0. I think he’d be a good skater at that size.

Making someone 5 inches bigger/smaller changes everything.

He’s an elite skater as he is, IMO

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Are you a Detroit fan?

I am. And Lindstrom is an average to below average 7th D at best.

 

[kabidjan18]

I am. And Lindstrom is an average to below average 7th D at best.

You might get really angry at your coaching staff and front office at some point then...

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

I am. And Lindstrom is an average to below average 7th D at best.

I don’t agree with this, our defense as a whole got caved in this whole year with everyone but seider sucking. This was Lindstroms first full year pro and he was doing good at the start but the wheels fell off and he was not good by the end. I still think there’s potential there for a responsible good bottom pairing tho, I’m not gonna write him off after one season of ups and downs where our whole defense was ass. Hronek on the other hand we kinda know what he is by this point most likely.

 

[lidstromiscool]

Reposting this.

The kid is a stud, 6'7 with great skating, hockey sense, and defense. To go along with creativity and a high skill level. Only concern I have is his health

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I don’t agree with this, our defense as a whole got caved in this whole year with everyone but seider sucking. This was Lindstroms first full year pro and he was doing good at the start but the wheels fell off and he was not good by the end. I still think there’s potential there for a responsible good bottom pairing tho, I’m not gonna write him off after one season of ups and downs where our whole defense was ass. Hronek on the other hand we kinda know what he is by this point most likely.

I can disagree with my bank and believe I’m a millionaire but then I’d be just as wrong as you. Lindstrom is a guy with very obviously limited potential. I’m not writing him off but Detroit could have used Renouf and it wouldn’t have mattered a bit.

 

[Boxscore]

When the Wings drafted Seider, it was clear to me that he was a future monster. I remember debating on here with people who said he would strictly be a defensive D and would top off at 40 points one day. I insisted Seider would break 50 and I fully feel he will stay a solid 50-55+ point defenseman as long as the Wings give him enough top PP time to produce.

As for Edvinsson -- he's another monster. This kid is going to be awesome and the Wings blueline is going to be very good for years to come. But, I would temper expectations a bit on him, especially offensively at the NHL level.

Watching Seider during his draft year, it was clear that his command of the game was already at an elite level. Most of the time he picked his spots perfectly, and his shot was formidable and well-placed. He processed the game perfectly, and he had a man-child demeanor. You could tell he was a leader with untapped potential to be the ultimate no. 1 defenseman in all situations.

Edvinsson is far more raw and unpolished. He is very lanky, and while an excellent skater, he is still a tad like bambi out there. He has a top-end processor but his play tends to be very high-risk at times, mainly due to his skills being able to get him out of trouble. Much of his offense is generated by playing this cowboy style. This is something he will need to reign in at the AHL / NHL level. I totally feel he will do that, and he'll either end up "Robin" to Seider's "Batman" or he'll anchor the 2nd pair and could be among the best 2nd pairing D in the league during his prime.

When I watch him closely, I see a taller, more dynamic looking Travis Sanheim at the NHL level, which is a good thing. But if we are expecting a Hedman clone, we are setting ourselves up for disappointment.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[molotce]

A name I havent seen in this thread, and I see some similarities : K'andre miller