RD Simon Edvinsson - Grand Rapids Griffins., AHL (2021, 6th, DET)

[Petes2424]

I'm probably forgetting a ton of guys but when was the last time the same organization had two D prospects of this calibre come in at (roughly) the same time?

Right out of the lockout, Keith and Seabrook came in for Chicago and then Suter and Weber for Nashville, those are gonna be hard to top. Any more recent ones come to mind? Not comparing the players, just the situation of two A prospects on D coming into a team's (probably) top-4 roughly the same time.

With the year Wallinder has had (SHL Junior of the Year), Detroit might have the best high-end D pool we’ve seen in recent memory. Carolina had that deep pool 6-8 years ago… obviously there was that Philly bunch who flamed out too. Maybe the Nashville pool from 15-17 years ago was the best in modern memory….

Detroit has that deep of a pool.

There’s other absolute NHL caliber D in their system on top of Seider, Edvinsson and Wallinder.

Sebrango, Johansson, Buium at DU, there’s a Fin I’m forgetting his name and then even McIssac, who if he continues to stay healthy could be a very good NHL player.

Out of this second tier, who most teams would feel very good about as their d prospects, minus the top 3…. people should keep an eye on Buium. This kid could end up really, really good. He has a ton of upside. We started seeing that raw ability evolve as DU’s season went on.

Just loaded with legitimate Top 4 D prospects who are not projects or that far away.

It will be interesting to see what veteran (or 2) they bring in to help ease these kids into the NHL.

Teams are lucky to have a kid like Edvinsson, Seider or Wallinder in their system. The fact all 3 are Detroit’s could be scary in the very near future.

 

[newfy]

With the year Wallinder has had (SHL Junior of the Year), Detroit might have the best high-end D pool we’ve seen in recent memory. Carolina had that deep pool 6-8 years ago… obviously there was that Philly bunch who flamed out too. Maybe the Nashville pool from 15-17 years ago was the best in modern memory….

Detroit has that deep of a pool.

There’s other absolute NHL caliber D in their system on top of Seider, Edvinsson and Wallinder.

Sebrango, Johansson, Buium at DU, there’s a Fin I’m forgetting his name and then even McIssac, who if he continues to stay healthy could be a very good NHL player.

Out of this second tier, who most teams would feel very good about as their d prospects, minus the top 3…. people should keep an eye on Buium. This kid could end up really, really good. He has a ton of upside. We started seeing that raw ability evolve as DU’s season went on.

Just loaded with legitimate Top 4 D prospects who are not projects or that far away.

It will be interesting to see what veteran (or 2) they bring in to help ease these kids into the NHL.

Teams are lucky to have a kid like Edvinsson, Seider or Wallinder in their system. The fact all 3 are Detroit’s could be scary in the very near future.

Seider was one of the best D prospects leading up to his debut in a long time, won just about anything you could want a prospect to win before breaking in. So right there you have that top guy. Then you have a top 6 in his draft year who is now considered a top 3ish prospect in the league about t break in. So off the hop the high end of Detroit D pool is really, really good. Where it starts to get extremely high end is how many 2nd and 3rd round picks theyve had over the years where they mostly stocked a bunch of dmen.

Having guys like Wallinder who just won SHL top u20 player and was a borderline first rounder, and Johansson as your secondary type of prospects is really, really solid.

 

[NickH8]

With the year Wallinder has had (SHL Junior of the Year), Detroit might have the best high-end D pool we’ve seen in recent memory. Carolina had that deep pool 6-8 years ago… obviously there was that Philly bunch who flamed out too. Maybe the Nashville pool from 15-17 years ago was the best in modern memory….

Detroit has that deep of a pool.

There’s other absolute NHL caliber D in their system on top of Seider, Edvinsson and Wallinder.

Sebrango, Johansson, Buium at DU, there’s a Fin I’m forgetting his name and then even McIssac, who if he continues to stay healthy could be a very good NHL player.

Out of this second tier, who most teams would feel very good about as their d prospects, minus the top 3…. people should keep an eye on Buium. This kid could end up really, really good. He has a ton of upside. We started seeing that raw ability evolve as DU’s season went on.

Just loaded with legitimate Top 4 D prospects who are not projects or that far away.

It will be interesting to see what veteran (or 2) they bring in to help ease these kids into the NHL.

Teams are lucky to have a kid like Edvinsson, Seider or Wallinder in their system. The fact all 3 are Detroit’s could be scary in the very near future.

This is what I've loved about Yzerman's drafting. When bonafide centers aren't available, get the next best thing. Obviously some or even most of these guys will flame out but you only need four for a top 4. Any excess can be traded to fill holes because defenders are some of the most valuable players. This team has a lot of pure value coming up in the system, which is huge for a rebuild.

 

[MBH]

This is what I've loved about Yzerman's drafting. When bonafide centers aren't available, get the next best thing. Obviously some or even most of these guys will flame out but you only need four for a top 4. Any excess can be traded to fill holes because defenders are some of the most valuable players. This team has a lot of pure value coming up in the system, which is huge for a rebuild.

We drafted LD like crazy because we needed LD.
We have ever since it became clear Smith, Kindl and Ouellet were not going to be very good.
Take a look at our first round picks from 2011 to 2020 and you know why we don't have many centers or LD in our lineup.

I would have preferred if we'd been drafting centers instead of wingers since 2015.

 

[Crunchy]

We drafted LD like crazy because we needed LD.
We have ever since it became clear Smith, Kindl and Ouellet were not going to be very good.
Take a look at our first round picks from 2011 to 2020 and you know why we don't have many centers or LD in our lineup.

I would have preferred if we'd been drafting centers instead of wingers since 2015.

They are called the red WINGS not the red centers.

 

[Crunchy]

2020/2021 draft classes are sick.

 

[Our Lady Peace]

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Is it already determined they're sending him back to Sweden, or is Eliteprospects just assuming ?

 

[Petes2424]

Seider was one of the best D prospects leading up to his debut in a long time, won just about anything you could want a prospect to win before breaking in. So right there you have that top guy. Then you have a top 6 in his draft year who is now considered a top 3ish prospect in the league about t break in. So off the hop the high end of Detroit D pool is really, really good. Where it starts to get extremely high end is how many 2nd and 3rd round picks theyve had over the years where they mostly stocked a bunch of dmen.

Having guys like Wallinder who just won SHL top u20 player and was a borderline first rounder, and Johansson as your secondary type of prospects is really, really solid.

It’s crazy. Every time I’m watching a non NHL game and a dman catches my eye, Detroit owns him. That kid at DU has a chance to be a really good NHL dman too. Then Sebrango came out of nowhere. Who knew he’d be as good as he is at 20? Won’t be star quality but a 10 year #4? Probably. Talk about Covid helping your career. It allowed him to play in the AHL before he even signed his ELC. People shouldn’t discount McIssac either. I watched Wallinder recently again too. He has a ton of talent. It’s nuts what they’ve been able to do in just a few years, talent wise.

Like I’ve said earlier, this pool they have would make most GMs drool. The quality and quantity is crazy. I remember those Nashville guys when they were young. This group might be better.

As a Leaf fan, their best d prospect is Niemela and he would probably be Detroit’s 7th to 10th dman prospect. That’s scary for two reasons. First on the ice but second, they’ll be able to use 2-3 of them to upgrade their team in other areas. As an example, I’d straight up trade Robertson right now for Johansson. Not sure Detroit would… Most Leaf fans would cry at that but they’ve never watched Johansson play. He’d be a great fit for the next 7-10 years. Yzerman is going to have a huge luxury of being able to make deals like that.

Good ten year stretch coming for the Wings. If they can land a Top young C, watch out. Did it all without any help from the lottery Gods too. Which should scare us all cause they’re due to hit that lottery. Lol. On that subject, their patience with Rasmussen might help with that. Like most big Cs, it’s taken a little longer but he’s come a long way over the second half of this year. This time next year he could very well have taken that #2 C slot. He’s been the reverse of Sebrango. Covid hurt his development but he’s come a long way this year.

We shall see but the Wings have good times ahead.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Is it already determined they're sending him back to Sweden, or is Eliteprospects just assuming ?

If Nick Kronwall is to be believed, This is Edvinsson's last season in the SHL and will be heading to North America this coming summer. FWIW Eliteprospects has him listed as playing in Detroit for the 2022/2023 NHL season.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

If Nick Kronwall is to be believed, This is Edvinsson's last season in the SHL and will be heading to North America this coming summer. FWIW Eliteprospects has him listed as playing in Detroit for the 2022/2023 NHL season.

With how thin Detroit's defense is I really have trouble not imagining Edvinsson as the Wings #4 defenseman next year at minimum.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

If Nick Kronwall is to be believed, This is Edvinsson's last season in the SHL and will be heading to North America this coming summer. FWIW Eliteprospects has him listed as playing in Detroit for the 2022/2023 NHL season.

The ELC essentially confirmed that he’ll be in NA next season.

With how thin Detroit's defense is I really have trouble not imagining Edvinsson as the Wings #4 defenseman next year at minimum.

It’s not out of the realm of possibility, but Yzerman would sooner watch Detroit’s defense suck again than force Edvinsson into a position he’s not ready for and stunt his development.

 

[Eggtimer]

I’d have to say the Wings have probably the best D depth in the league . It’s close with the Kings and Devils beig close but I’d give the edge to the Wings.
Seider Edvinsson Wallinder = 3 potential #1 D calibre D .
Devils - Hamilton Hughes Mukhamadullin Okhotyuk Bahl , not as sexy at all but very solid .

 

[De Montreal]

As a Leaf fan, their best d prospect is Niemela and he would probably be Detroit’s 7th to 10th dman prospect.

That's gross exageration. Aside from Edvinsson and Wallinder, which Red Wings prospect are significantly more promising than Niemela? You can make a case for Albert Johansson. That's it. There's a reason people are forgetting the name of the defenceman from DU, it's because Tuomisto isnt progressing very much since he got drafted very high. McIsaac developpment was stunned by injuries and I'd take Niemela ahead of him any day of the week.

 

[GoBoltz56]

That's gross exageration. Aside from Edvinsson and Wallinder, which Red Wings prospect are significantly more promising than Niemela? You can make a case for Albert Johansson. That's it. There's a reason people are forgetting the name of the defenceman from DU, it's because Tuomisto isnt progressing very much since he got drafted very high. McIsaac developpment was stunned by injuries and I'd take Niemela ahead of him any day of the week.

I think those folks are talking about Shai Buium at DU, not Tuomisto. Buium is already outplaying Tuo and was also a top 40 pick.

 

[De Montreal]

I think those folks are talking about Shai Buium at DU, not Tuomisto. Buium is already outplaying Tuo and was also a top 40 pick.

I see, didnt know about him. Then we can add him.

 

[wingerdinger]

Eemil Viro of TPS is a legit prospect also. There's too many to keep up with.

 

[Hughes Hefner]

I’d have to say the Wings have probably the best D depth in the league . It’s close with the Kings and Devils beig close but I’d give the edge to the Wings.
Seider Edvinsson Wallinder = 3 potential #1 D calibre D .
Devils - Hamilton Hughes Mukhamadullin Okhotyuk Bahl , not as sexy at all but very solid .

I know this is a Edvinsson thread but I just wanted to say that I watched Bahl play this past weekend and I thought he looked really good. Nice piece from the Hall trade for Jersey...

 

[Petes2424]

That's gross exageration. Aside from Edvinsson and Wallinder, which Red Wings prospect are significantly more promising than Niemela? You can make a case for Albert Johansson. That's it. There's a reason people are forgetting the name of the defenceman from DU, it's because Tuomisto isnt progressing very much since he got drafted very high. McIsaac developpment was stunned by injuries and I'd take Niemela ahead of him any day of the week.

We always overrate our pool. Always. Niemela has a chance but he’s under 6’ and he’s still a twig. If you have those physical characteristics you better bring a great skill to the table. The next year or two will be vital in his development. If nothing changes, converting to the smaller ice with less space, probably won’t be a good thing for him. He has a long way to go.

 

[Petes2424]

I think those folks are talking about Shai Buium at DU, not Tuomisto. Buium is already outplaying Tuo and was also a top 40 pick.

Yep. Buium is who I was talking about. He has a chance to be a very good NHL player. I’m not sure they sign Tuomisto but that’s not due to his chances in the NHL. It’s just going to be a log-jam. He has a decent chance but it’s probably in another city.

 

[WF19]

If Nick Kronwall is to be believed, This is Edvinsson's last season in the SHL and will be heading to North America this coming summer. FWIW Eliteprospects has him listed as playing in Detroit for the 2022/2023 NHL season.

I wouldn't be surprised if he got the Seider treatment. One of Horcoff,Cleary or Kronwall said this year this year to fans to keep a close eye on him because he won't be playing in Europe. Seider didn't even play in the prospects camp because he was already pencilled in.

 

[19 for president]

I think Ed being a full year younger than Seider entering the NHL means there is a chance he plays a year in the AHL. Health issues knocked some of the wind out of his 2nd half. He is also probably going to compete with AJo for a spot. I don't see both making the team next year.

With that said, I'd still give Ed a 75% chance at being on the team.

 

[WF19]

I think Ed being a full year younger than Seider entering the NHL means there is a chance he plays a year in the AHL. Health issues knocked some of the wind out of his 2nd half. He is also probably going to compete with AJo for a spot. I don't see both making the team next year.

With that said, I'd still give Ed a 75% chance at being on the team.

So many people slept on Seider too and i think this is the same here. Seider getting picked where he was at the time was surprising enough let alone how good he has turned out. Edvinsson on the other hand isn't as unknown, scouts had him as high as #1 and the Wings may have had him at that too. I called Seider last year and i'm calling Edvinsson next year for the calder.

 

[WF19]

I think Ed being a full year younger than Seider entering the NHL means there is a chance he plays a year in the AHL. Health issues knocked some of the wind out of his 2nd half. He is also probably going to compete with AJo for a spot. I don't see both making the team next year.

With that said, I'd still give Ed a 75% chance at being on the team.

So many people slept on Seider too and i think this is the same here. Seider getting picked where he was at the time was surprising enough let alone how good he has turned out. Edvinsson on the other hand isn't as unknown, scouts had him as high as #1 and the Wings may have had him at that too. I called Seider last year and i'm calling Edvinsson following the same route. He has so far and is a year younger.

 

[WF19]

I think Ed being a full year younger than Seider entering the NHL means there is a chance he plays a year in the AHL. Health issues knocked some of the wind out of his 2nd half. He is also probably going to compete with AJo for a spot. I don't see both making the team next year.

With that said, I'd still give Ed a 75% chance at being on the team.

So many people slept on Seider too and i think this is the same here. Seider getting picked where he was at the time was surprising enough let alone how good he has turned out. Edvinsson on the other hand isn't as unknown, scouts had him as high as #1 and the Wings may have had him at that too. I called Seider last year and i'm calling Edvinsson following the same route. He has so far and is a year younger.