RD Simon Edvinsson - Grand Rapids Griffins., AHL (2021, 6th, DET)

[RedHawkDown]

Agreed.



Lotta delusional Red Wings fans.

Agree to disagree. Think he has very high offensive potential.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Hot take: I think the biggest developmental hurdle for Edvinsson will be giving up the aggressive offensive defensemen he thinks he is for the two-way shutdown defenseman he is ultimately going to become. He's an excellent puckmover with great stickhandling and high end skating, but man is he not nearly as dangerous in the offensive zone as he thinks he is.

Part of the reason I really want Edvinsson to come over and play in the AHL is so they can coach him to simplify his game a bit. He really needs someone to work with him and nail down his role, because in the SHL they just kinda let him do whatever strikes his fancy.

...You think that going from a great coach like Roger Ronnberg in Frolunda to a terrible coach like Ben Simon in Grand Rapids will...HELP Edvinsson? Holy f***, dude.

Also WATCH SIMON EDVINSSON PLAY!!! FFS dude. He's not an aggressive one-way offensive defenseman. He DOES play a solid 2 way game and is very strong defensively already that people have been raving about this year. Yes he can get better, and he will very likely get better as he gains more experience. He's an excellent puck rusher, and excellent stickhandler, and he's much improved as a passer. And what would make Edvinsson's game more lethal on offensive end is becoming a better shooter which will happen over time. What you're proposing is clipping Edvinsson's wings before he even finds his game.

Would you have rather Seider stayed over in Grand Rapids last year to focus more on becoming the next Adam Pelech? Or are you happy with the fact that Seider learned how to balance the offensive and defensive sides of the game while playing under the Abbott brothers in Rogle? I know which one I'd choose. And I know which one I'd choose for Edvinsson.

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

...You think that going from a great coach like Roger Ronnberg in Frolunda to a terrible coach like Ben Simon in Grand Rapids will...HELP Edvinsson? Holy f***, dude.

Also WATCH SIMON EDVINSSON PLAY!!! FFS dude. He's not an aggressive one-way offensive defenseman. He DOES play a solid 2 way game and is very strong defensively already that people have been raving about this year. Yes he can get better, and he will very likely get better as he gains more experience. He's an excellent puck rusher, and excellent stickhandler, and he's much improved as a passer. And what would make Edvinsson's game more lethal on offensive end is becoming a better shooter which will happen over time. What you're proposing is clipping Edvinsson's wings before he even finds his game.

Would you have rather Seider stayed over in Grand Rapids last year to focus more on becoming the next Adam Pelech? Or are you happy with the fact that Seider learned how to balance the offensive and defensive sides of the game while playing under the Abbott brothers in Rogle? I know which one I'd choose. And I know which one I'd choose for Edvinsson.

I do watch him play. And as of midway through the season, he was still doing that thing where he pinches in, skates down to the goal line, and then either loses the puck or forces a bad pass to a covered teammate. He's done that a lot. If you go watch IceHockeyGifs' twitter videos, he's captured a bunch of instances of it. He did it several times at the WJC... in just 2 games.

I wonder if Edvinsson has been a victim of some weird developmental circumstances. He hasn't really been a PP QB on any of the national teams because of other guys like Andrae and Grans, and then his pro teams haven't used him that way, either. So he hasn't really gotten a chance to develop that part of his game, but he seems to still want to play offensive hockey, so he's extremely aggressive at ES and sometimes forces it. I'm especially thinking about a play at the WJC where he just flat out charged the puck carrier in the neutral zone at maximum possible speed because he thought he could get a breakaway. The guy went around him...

Part of me wonders if Edvinsson would settle his game down at ES if he actually got to play PP. Like it would get it out of his system. Not that I have much faith in his Swedish coaches putting him on the PP consistently. Hence Grand Rapids, where the Wings could control that.

Also I'm praying for a Ben Simon firing in the off-season. It's just not working. Go throw money at the Abbott brothers. Make development in GR a strength again.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Edvinsson still has a lot of weaknesses that were concerns before he was drafted and I don't see a lot of work being done to correct it. I think he's going to need at least a season in Grand Rapids, and maybe two, and even then he might not have the head for the NHL.

Still looking like a guy with a ton of tools who hasn't quite found a toolbox yet. Bad decision making keeps biting him. With that size, his stick, and his passing he could be a shutdown D and score 30-40 a year just on outlet passing if he could stop with the unforced errors.

Between his up and down season and Cossa having his worst WHL season in his D+1, I'm worried Yzerman screwed the pooch on this draft.

Funnily enough, I bet if you converted him to forward and played him as a rover I bet he'd hit 50 points a year at the NHL level just due to his size and stick skills.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Edvinsson still has a lot of weaknesses that were concerns before he was drafted and I don't see a lot of work being done to correct it. I think he's going to need at least a season in Grand Rapids, and maybe two, and even then he might not have the head for the NHL.

Still looking like a guy with a ton of tools who hasn't quite found a toolbox yet. Bad decision making keeps biting him. With that size, his stick, and his passing he could be a shutdown D and score 30-40 a year just on outlet passing if he could stop with the unforced errors.

Between his up and down season and Cossa having his worst WHL season in his D+1, I'm worried Yzerman screwed the pooch on this draft.

Funnily enough, I bet if you converted him to forward and played him as a rover I bet he'd hit 50 points a year at the NHL level just due to his size and stick skills.

If that post doesn't scream I haven't actually watched Edvinsson play this season, I don't know what else does. You literally could not have come up with a more generic criticism and analysis if you tried.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

If that post doesn't scream I haven't actually watched Edvinsson play this season, I don't know what else does. You literally could not have come up with a more generic criticism and analysis if you tried.

Any criticism of a Red Wings draft pick automatically gets this response, which is hilarious.

I get it, Edvinsson is huge and that gives Wings fans a hard-on. He still makes a lot of boneheaded plays. The dreams of him stepping into the NHL next season are insane.

 

[ZEBROA]

I will just let time decide who is right about this dude. Some players thrive and some dont work at all on a smaller ice.

But dont underestimate the development skills of the SHL teams. Its good to learn the small ice in AHL but they are not always better at development.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Any criticism of a Red Wings draft pick automatically gets this response, which is hilarious.

I get it, Edvinsson is huge and that gives Wings fans a hard-on. He still makes a lot of boneheaded plays. The dreams of him stepping into the NHL next season are insane.

People who are paid real money to comment on and discuss these things believe he's been having a fantastic season and could make the jump next year.

 

[Oddbob]

I don't know much about his game, other than highlights. This thread is making it even harder to tell what he is supposed to be. Some are saying he is bad defensively, some are saying underwhelming offensively, like is he offensive or defensive. From highlights he looks like an offensive minded puck carrier who skates really well. I see Seider for example as a shutdown guy first and foremost who can provide a lot of offence and physicality.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

I don't know much about his game, other than highlights. This thread is making it even harder to tell what he is supposed to be. Some are saying he is bad defensively, some are saying underwhelming offensively, like is he offensive or defensive. From highlights he looks like an offensive minded puck carrier who skates really well. I see Seider for example as a shutdown guy first and foremost who can provide a lot of offence and physicality.

I've always liked the Bouwmeester comparison for Edvinsson.

He's a great skater for his size, but has a muffin of a shot. Sometime I think he tries to do too much with the puck, rather than making the simple pass.

 

[ThankGord]

Between his up and down season and Cossa having his worst WHL season in his D+1, I'm worried Yzerman screwed the pooch on this draft.

Obviously waaay to early to make judgments on this draft class but Cossa’s worst season is still top 5 in his league and leading in shut outs. Dower Nilsson lighting up the J20, Mazur is ppg as a freshman. Plus you have Edvinsson and Buium with big potential. No need to panic.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

People who are paid real money to comment on and discuss these things believe he's been having a fantastic season and could make the jump next year.

People who are paid money to evaluate prospects also said LaFreniere was NHL ready, that Kaapo Kakko would be a huge scorer at the NHL level, that Rasmus Dahlin was a generational talent, that Nail Yakupov would be an NHL star, etc. etc. and so on and so forth.

Edvinsson is dominating a lower league with insane athleticism, which can cover up a lot of weaknesses. Given that, he still makes mental errors, and when he's on smaller ice with bigger, faster players that mental aspect of the game becomes a lot more important. I don't know if I trust anyone in the Wings development pipeline to be able to develop a project player.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Any criticism of a Red Wings draft pick automatically gets this response, which is hilarious.

I get it, Edvinsson is huge and that gives Wings fans a hard-on. He still makes a lot of boneheaded plays. The dreams of him stepping into the NHL next season are insane.

What of the comments coming from the SHL that he’s been one of the better D in the SHL? How exactly do you access all these SHL games you claim to watch of him?

 

[Pavels Dog]

The dreams of him stepping into the NHL next season are insane.

Serious question; how many actual SHL games have you watched this season?

 

[Ricelund]

Nice write-up from Bultman on Edvinsson today:

Frölunda’s coach, Roger Rönnberg, has coached some pretty darn good young defenseman in his day. A few years back, he had No. 1 pick Rasmus Dahlin during his draft year. Before that, he had John Klingberg, Jonas Brodin and Adam Larsson as coach of Sweden’s world junior teams in the early 2010s. He’s seen what top young blue line talent looks like.

But ask him about Edvinsson’s rapid adjustment to the SHL game at just 18 — he turned 19 just a month ago — and even he has been wowed.

“He’s the best guy I have coached over my 30 years (at) that age, if I (look at) the whole package,” Rönnberg said. “His decision-making is one of the best I’ve ever seen, how he’s reading the game, how he is adjusting, how he is learning about the game. He’s so open-minded, he takes instructions (superbly): You tell him a thing once and he likes it and understands why, he does it. He (doesn’t) just understand it, he’s actually putting it on the tape, on the ice.”

And in particular, it’s what Edvinsson has done off the puck at such a young age that has elicited that response.

“It’s so rare to see,” Rönnberg said. “Because almost every time I have had a guy in his age playing defense, I have to teach him how to play defensive, without the puck. But Simon, you tell him once: ‘in that corner, you can use the stick like this, your hand like this,’ boom. He does it. Shift after shift after shift, he does it. You show him one clip of a bad gap, he adjusts, boom. Next shift, he plays with a good gap. It’s really fun to work with him. He’s so smart.”

Sounds a lot like Seider. We have a lot to be excited about.

 

[LarKing]

Nice write-up from Bultman on Edvinsson today:

Sounds a lot like Seider. We have a lot to be excited about.

Sounds easily coachable like Seider. We have a lot to look forward to with these two on the blue line for hopefully almost two decades.

 

[bsu]

Really wish the Ducks took this guy, of course he went to Detroit. They going to be scary with Seider and Edvinsson patrolling their bluelines for the next 10 years. Hopefully they don't rush this kid too quickly.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Really wish the Ducks took this guy, of course he went to Detroit. They going to be scary with Seider and Edvinsson patrolling their bluelines for the next 10 years. Hopefully they don't rush this kid too quickly.

Yeah unlike a lot of Wings fans here I’m very fine with him either staying in Europe for another season or coming here in a bottom pairing role. Im not huge on dropping a teen into a top 4 role

 

[cjeagle]

Yeah unlike a lot of Wings fans here I’m very fine with him either staying in Europe for another season or coming here in a bottom pairing role. Im not huge on dropping a teen into a top 4 role

Edvinsson won't be playing for the Redwings in a bottom pairing role. If he doesn't make the Redwings, he would either be allowed to stay in the SHL or as a top pairing defenceman in the AHL where he could acclimatize to the North American size rinks and style of play.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Edvinsson won't be playing for the Redwings in a bottom pairing role. If he doesn't make the Redwings, he would either be allowed to stay in the SHL or as a top pairing defenceman in the AHL where he could acclimatize to the North American size rinks and style of play.

What exactly is wrong with playing an NHL level D in a sheltered role getting ready for a bigger role? Plenty of great D started in a lower role.

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

What exactly is wrong with playing an NHL level D in a sheltered role getting ready for a bigger role? Plenty of great D started in a lower role.

Most of them do, I'd argue. Seider is anomalous.

 

[cjeagle]

What exactly is wrong with playing an NHL level D in a sheltered role getting ready for a bigger role? Plenty of great D started in a lower role.

For the same reason that many top draft picks failed after being rushed prematurely to the NHL instead of getting top minutes improving their game in the AHL or other leagues. They not only get to work on their weaknesses in the minors but they get to experience being used on both special teams, helping them build their confidence so that they will be ready for extended minutes when called up to the Redwings.

Even Raymond had to prove he belonged on the top 2 lines in the NHL in the preseason. Otherwise the Redwings were ready to send him to the AHL just like Rasmussen and Veleno have been in the past.

 

[Hen Kolland]

Nice write-up from Bultman on Edvinsson today:

Sounds a lot like Seider. We have a lot to be excited about.

“He’s the best guy I have coached over my 30 years (at) that age, if I (look at) the whole package,” Rönnberg said. “His decision-making is one of the best I’ve ever seen, how he’s reading the game, how he is adjusting, how he is learning about the game."

Edvinsson still has a lot of weaknesses that were concerns before he was drafted and I don't see a lot of work being done to correct it. I think he's going to need at least a season in Grand Rapids, and maybe two, and even then he might not have the head for the NHL.

Still looking like a guy with a ton of tools who hasn't quite found a toolbox yet. Bad decision making keeps biting him.

Hmmm, the coach working directly with Edvinsson says he's one of the smartest players he's ever witnessed... Schroedingers Cat says that he's so dumb he might not make the NHL. Who should I believe?

 

[newfy]

For the same reason that many top draft picks failed after being rushed prematurely to the NHL instead of getting top minutes improving their game in the AHL or other leagues. They not only get to work on their weaknesses in the minors but they get to experience being used on both special teams, helping them build their confidence so that they will be ready for extended minutes when called up to the Redwings.

Even Raymond had to prove he belonged on the top 2 lines in the NHL in the preseason. Otherwise the Redwings were ready to send him to the AHL just like Rasmussen and Veleno have been in the past.

I dont care where he starts next year as long as its in North America. Makes no sense at all for him to be in Sweden. Give him a shot in camp to show what he can do (like Raymond got), if he isnt ready send him to Grand Rapids where he can get used to the smaller ice. Then halfway through the year if hes too good for down there he can come up and play with the wings.

As long as hes in North America next year, I'm happy

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

“He’s the best guy I have coached over my 30 years (at) that age, if I (look at) the whole package,” Rönnberg said. “His decision-making is one of the best I’ve ever seen, how he’s reading the game, he’s so smart.”

This sounds like the exact opposite of what Schroedinger was saying about Edvinsson.