RD Simon Edvinsson - Grand Rapids Griffins., AHL (2021, 6th, DET)

[GOALOFSSON]

who somehow still can’t keep them out of the basement.

newsflash, teams with a defenseman like that typically aren’t basement teams because those guys play nearly half the game and if they’re elite defensively they make a massive impact, which prevents their teams from being basement dwellers. Then there’s Dahlin and his -36 lol

News flash, the Sabres have been bad because they had one line when dahlin was 18/19yo and have been pretty shit since then. Even now he is only 21 and actually having a really good season. This might even be the best team he's had, and the team has had many important players injured this season, from a bunch of forwards to all of our goalies. Then all of our goalies again.

It is comical that you even attempted to pin their place in the standing on Dahlin. Much deadweight still on the team this year that have a very negative impact on the ice and let in very soft goals. Next year we get huge reinforcements and still more after that.

You're so wrong about Dahlin it's hilarious.

Dahlin’s 16 and 17yo seasons vs Edvinsson's 18/19yo one?

Dahlin was still better offensively.

 

[RedHawkDown]

News flash, the Sabres have been bad because they had one line when dahlin was 18/19yo and have been pretty shit since then. Even now he is only 21 and actually having a really good season. This might even be the best team he's had, and the team has had many important players injured this season, from a bunch of forwards to all of our goalies. Then all of our goalies again.

It is comical that you even attempted to pin their place in the standing on Dahlin. Much deadweight still on the team this year that have a very negative impact on the ice and let in very soft goals. Next year we get huge reinforcements and still more after that.

You're so wrong about Dahlin it's hilarious.



Dahlin’s 16 and 17yo seasons vs Edvinsson's 18/19yo one?

Dahlin was still better offensively.

Lots of excuses. Seider has a trash team too. At one point so did every elite Dman picked high in the draft. All of them elevated their teams significantly. Dahlin has consistently failed to do so. Until he does, your assertions that everyone else is wrong have zero basis. I watch Dahlin plenty and it’s not like my opinion is based in purely stat watching

 

[Oddbob]

Lots of excuses. Seider has a trash team too. At one point so did Makar. So did Fox. So did every elite Dman picked high in the draft. All of them elevated their teams significantly. Dahlin has consistently failed to do so. Until he does, your assertions that everyone else is wrong have zero basis. I watch Dahlin plenty and it’s not like my opinion is based in purely stat watching

What? Makar has played on a top team in all 3 seasons of his career.

 

[lucaseider]

My god, the takes in this thread, buffalo fan saying he knows better than a guy who coached rasmus and simon, and then THE worst take in the history of this site, some fool thinks rasmus is twice the player Seider is.

 

[GOALOFSSON]

Lots of excuses. Seider has a trash team too. At one point so did Makar. So did Fox. So did every elite Dman picked high in the draft. All of them elevated their teams significantly. Dahlin has consistently failed to do so. Until he does, your assertions that everyone else is wrong have zero basis. I watch Dahlin plenty and it’s not like my opinion is based in purely stat watching

None of them played for a team as bad as the Sabres, none of them were 18-20 years old, and none of them played for a coach trying to specifically kill their game. These aren't excuses, merely facts.

Speaking of cold hard facts, the bold is entirely false, otherwise you would already know these things. You'd also know he isn't "atrocious" defensively.

Find me over the next couple of years if you want to further embarrass yourself.

 

[AB13]

How you rate defencemen depend on what attributes you value, of course. For me, Dahlin is a top 10 defenceman in the world because I value the things he bring at an elite level. I also just don’t see the supposed defensive issues. People have seen a few high profile errors and assume Dahlin isn’t a good defender, which is far from the truth. Overall, as a Rangers fan, I don’t really think Fox is a better player.

 

[RedHawkDown]

What? Makar has played on a top team in all 3 seasons of his career.

Yeah no fair enough that one’s untrue.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

Enough of the Dahlin-Seider comparisons. It is obvious who is the better overall NHL player of those 2 and who has the larger impact at both ends of the ice for his NHL team.

Let's compare Dahlin(during his time as a prospect in Sweden) to Edvinsson since this is the latter's thread.

A source, with ties to the Swedish team, told Detroit Hockey Now that Edvinssson “was a monster” in the game.

“He looks better than Rasmus Dahlin did at the same age,” the source said. “He has the same offensive game and is much stronger.”

Edvinsson is a full-service defenseman. He plays physical, is mindful of his defensive play and carries the puck with authority. (Of those 3 attributes only the latter can be said of Dahlin)

“You have to go back to Victor Hedman to find a comparable Swedish D-man, aged 18,” the source said. “The Red Wings have a gem in Simon.”

What is the point of anonymity in that situation?

He's not reporting on Russian troop movements. "Source" lol

 

[Martinez]

He’s playing right now if anyone wants to watch and give their thoughts on him instead of comparing seider to dahlin

 

[Go Wings]

How the hell did this devolve into a Dahlin vs Seider vs Edvinsson thread?

As a Wings fan I don't see any point in making these comparisons. All 3 defensemen are different in their style of play. It sure as shit doesn't matter who was better in the SHL.

Lets just focus on how well Edvinsson is developing as a prospect and how excited we are to see him in North America next season.

 

[Pavels Dog]

I absolutely love the "always an excuse" crowd, good for a laugh. The fact is he's been on one of the worst teams in the league since day 1 and Krueger was one of the worst coaches ever.

It's true though. You bring up two excuses right there that are barely relevant to the discussion. Even compared to his teammates he doesn't stand out as performing especially well defensively. In fact it's almost the opposite.

Dahlin was still better offensively.

The other guy was arguing that Dahlin was/is a better pure defensive player than Edvinsson, so that comparison would apply to that. What evidence is there that Dahlin is a better defensive player than Edvinsson?

 

[Oddbob]

Yeah no fair enough that one’s untrue.

Colorado has been a winning/contender team all 3 seasons, so what you mean not true? He has not played on a bottom team in the NHL.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Colorado has been a winning/contender team all 3 seasons, so what you mean not true? He has not played on a bottom team in the NHL.

No I meant I was wrong. I edited my post. Was a mistake. Didn’t change the point I was trying to make

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

Should Detroit play Edvinsson and Seider together, or are they better off splitting them up? Detroit doesn't have a RHD outside of Seider that's really a good fit so if you're not going to play them together Detroit will need to find a FA RHD or play William Wallinder on his off side.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Should Detroit play Edvinsson and Seider together, or are they better off splitting them up? Detroit doesn't have a RHD outside of Seider that's really a good fit so if you're not going to play them together Detroit will need to find a FA RHD or play William Wallinder on his off side.

Unless we trade Hronek I think he’d be a fine partner for Edvinsson

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

Unless we trade Hronek I think he’d be a fine partner for Edvinsson

Edvinsson babysitting Hronek does Edvinsson no favors, or Detroit.

 

[Sweetpotato]

Should Detroit play Edvinsson and Seider together, or are they better off splitting them up? Detroit doesn't have a RHD outside of Seider that's really a good fit so if you're not going to play them together Detroit will need to find a FA RHD or play William Wallinder on his off side.

Whatever works. But the key is if seperate they can't have boat anchors for partners. Young players shouldn't be responsible for mediocre vets. The reason for example it working in Anaheim is Niedermayer and Pronger both had capable partners.

 

[Sweetpotato]

It's true though. You bring up two excuses right there that are barely relevant to the discussion. Even compared to his teammates he doesn't stand out as performing especially well defensively. In fact it's almost the opposite.


The other guy was arguing that Dahlin was/is a better pure defensive player than Edvinsson, so that comparison would apply to that. What evidence is there that Dahlin is a better defensive player than Edvinsson?

The only thing at the same age Dahlin did better was he had a more active stick, that's it, Edvinsson also plays the body more and funnels forwards to the boards. At the same age Edvinsson is a more effective player in his own end.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Edvinsson babysitting Hronek does Edvinsson no favors, or Detroit.

He’s not that bad lol.

 

[FireBird71]

Edvinsson babysitting Hronek does Edvinsson no favors, or Detroit.

Hronek is far from needing to be babysat

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

He’s not that bad lol.

Hronek is atrocious defensively. And with Edvinsson being a puck dominant D he’d be better with a shut down partner.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Hronek is atrocious defensively. And with Edvinsson being a puck dominant D he’d be better with a shut down partner.

Another way to look at it is that Hronek is being asked to play a defensive role which he is bad at. And with Edvinsson being a phenomenal defensive D, this pairing could bring out the best in both of them

 

[Pavels Dog]

Should Detroit play Edvinsson and Seider together, or are they better off splitting them up?

Together. I think people wanting to split them up to have ~50 minutes with an elite #1D on the ice are jumping the gun, thinking Edvinsson will be that guy at 19, 20, 21, 22.. it could take him until he's 25 to be that guy. It's obvious Edvinsson needs a solid defensive partner, and Seider would benefit from playing with a guy like Edvinsson who can create, rush the puck and has the hockey sense to play off him.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Another way to look at it is that Hronek is being asked to play a defensive role which he is bad at. And with Edvinsson being a phenomenal defensive D, this pairing could bring out the best in both of them

Hronek isn’t being asked to play in a defensive role. His partner Nick Leddy is, and it’s why Leddy is having such a terrible season. Leddy does better with a defense-first partner, as does Hronek.

Edvinsson is a 2-way defender that plays a strong puck possession game. He needs a partner that can get him the puck to run breakouts or rush it up ice. Hronek ain’t it.

 

[ZEBROA]

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