RD Simon Edvinsson - Grand Rapids Griffins., AHL (2021, 6th, DET)

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

While I agree he’s not as good as Seider, this argument is so, so bad. Seider would have gone 1st overall. Using draft position to justify opinions about a player years after their draft is nonsense.
If Edvinsson played like he has this year in the SHL in his draft season, he may have gone first.

But he didn't. He played this way in d+1 which is still not even impressive enough to say he'd go 1st in redraft. You get it? Calm down with the homerism.

 

[Osakahaus]

if he's struggling to be solid in his post draft year as a defenseman, there have to be bigger concerns with the way he plays

 

[RedHawkDown]

But he didn't. He played this way in d+1 which is still not even impressive enough to say he'd go 1st in redraft. You get it? Calm down with the homerism.

It’s not homerism. Sure he may not go 1st. But the point is that the CURRENT state of his play isnt the reason he dropped to 6th, lol. He’s obviously taken a massive step forward this season and if this was his level of play previously he wouldn’t have been there at 6. So to say “yeah he’s good but if he was THAT good he would have been 1st” is a ludicrous argument, because he BECAME that good now, and the past is irrelevant.

 

[newfy]

But he didn't. He played this way in d+1 which is still not even impressive enough to say he'd go 1st in redraft. You get it? Calm down with the homerism.

But in his draft year he played well enough to be ranked first by at least one team in the draft and his play has taken off substantially by then. Using where players were drafted when they were within 5 picks of each other doesnt make sense.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

if he's struggling to be solid in his post draft year as a defenseman, there have to be bigger concerns with the way he plays

Do you actually think he’s struggling?

 

[Osakahaus]

Do you actually think he’s struggling?

judging by the comments, people make it sound like he's the inverse of mo seider.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

judging by the comments, people make it sound like he's the inverse of mo seider.

He’s not. They’re definitely different styles in how they attack and defend but Edvinsson is an excellent prospect that should be up there with Sanderson and Power in the discussion for best D Prospect not in the NHL now.

I suggest watching some Frolunda games. Edvinsson can absolutely tilt the ice for his team. They are way better with him in the lineup.

 

[Pavels Dog]

if he's struggling to be solid in his post draft year as a defenseman, there have to be bigger concerns with the way he plays

He's definitely not been struggling. He's on pace for the 2nd best U19D season in SHL history (Points-wise), and the bulk of his usage and value is defensive work and transition game.

People just shouldn't expect him to step in as this near-flawless player who barely makes a mistake, like Seider.

The best comparison for Edvinsson remains a mix of Dahlin and Hedman. That goes for both the good and the bad.

 

[izlez]

judging by the comments, people make it sound like he's the inverse of mo seider.

No one said he was struggling at all. Some wings fans are just trying to temper expectations because it's too easy to get carried away right now. Looking REALLY good in the SHL is not the same as Seider being the run away player of the year in the SHL and pushing to be in the Norris conversation in your rookie year.

He's not struggling AT ALL, we're just trying to put into perspective what to realistically expect from his successes so far.

 

[newfy]

No one said he was struggling at all. Some wings fans are just trying to temper expectations because it's too easy to get carried away right now. Looking REALLY good in the SHL is not the same as Seider being the run away player of the year in the SHL and pushing to be in the Norris conversation in your rookie year.

He's not struggling AT ALL, we're just trying to put into perspective what to realistically expect from his successes so far.

I think the way Edvinsson has played in Sweden this year is comparable to Seiders year in the AHL. Edvinsson wont be in Sweden next year, but if he was I would bet money he has a season comparable to Seiders last year before jumping to the NHL.

 

[Frk It]

The best comparison for Edvinsson remains a mix of Dahlin and Hedman.

I don't know about all that...

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I don't know about all that...

Same. I think he’s got crazy upside but I think he’s already better defensively than Dahlin, but not quite there offensively yet. Great hands, good passing, good creativity but Simon still has a muffin shot.

A few Wings fans made the Jay Bouwmeester comparison on draft day and I don’t think that’s far off. For such a big guy he is an amazing skater. Maybe not more than 40 point upside but he’ll be able to utilize his speed, reach and size to be a really good defensive defenseman. And considering Seider is looking like a future top 5 defender that’s A-OK.

 

[Pavels Dog]

I don't know about all that...

Prospect of Interest: Simon Edvinsson boasts complete 'NHL package'

making him a closer comparable to fellow Frölunda product and 2018 top pick Rasmus Dahlin. Though, when asked the question himself, Edvinsson said he's a mix of Hedman and another Norris Trophy winner and Swede — Erik Karlsson.

There's elements of those guys, as nearly all observers in sweden are comparing him to especially Dahlin/Hedman.

Same. I think he’s got crazy upside but I think he’s already better defensively than Dahlin, but not quite there offensively yet. Great hands, good passing, good creativity but Simon still has a muffin shot.

Well yeah? The Hedman part of the "mix" comes from Edvinsson being bigger and better defensively than Dahlin, but also from being a little less dynamic offensively than Dahlin (I know Hedman has developed a ton, but look at Hedman from 16-25 for this comparison).

 

[Stony Curtis]

That reach is unreal. It's like if Reed Richards played hockey.

 

[Osakahaus]

He's definitely not been struggling. He's on pace for the 2nd best U19D season in SHL history (Points-wise), and the bulk of his usage and value is defensive work and transition game.

People just shouldn't expect him to step in as this near-flawless player who barely makes a mistake, like Seider.

The best comparison for Edvinsson remains a mix of Dahlin and Hedman. That goes for both the good and the bad.

No one said he was struggling at all. Some wings fans are just trying to temper expectations because it's too easy to get carried away right now. Looking REALLY good in the SHL is not the same as Seider being the run away player of the year in the SHL and pushing to be in the Norris conversation in your rookie year.

He's not struggling AT ALL, we're just trying to put into perspective what to realistically expect from his successes so far.

He’s not. They’re definitely different styles in how they attack and defend but Edvinsson is an excellent prospect that should be up there with Sanderson and Power in the discussion for best D Prospect not in the NHL now.

I suggest watching some Frolunda games. Edvinsson can absolutely tilt the ice for his team. They are way better with him in the lineup.

thank you for clearing it up. i've been slacking a ton when it comes to some prospects.

 

[Osakahaus]

Pelech-esque. Good shutdown skills right there, especially with the stick

 

[AB13]

Prospect of Interest: Simon Edvinsson boasts complete 'NHL package'

There's elements of those guys, as nearly all observers in sweden are comparing him to especially Dahlin/Hedman.

Well yeah? The Hedman part of the "mix" comes from Edvinsson being bigger and better defensively than Dahlin, but also from being a little less dynamic offensively than Dahlin (I know Hedman has developed a ton, but look at Hedman from 16-25 for this comparison).

I don't think Edvinsson is nearly as talented as Dahlin. I think the difference is significant too.

 

[Pavels Dog]

I don't think Edvinsson is nearly as talented as Dahlin. I think the difference is significant too.

In some areas he's less talented, in some areas more. Again, he's got elements of Dahlin, he's not a 1:1 replica of him.

 

[AB13]

In some areas he's less talented, in some areas more. Again, he's got elements of Dahlin, he's not a 1:1 replica of him.

Dahlin is one of the best passers in the NHL and the most skillful defenceman I have ever seen at 18,19,20 years old. Edvinsson doesn’t have nearly Dahlins offensive toolbox. I think they are similarly good defensively.

I guess I am also higher on Dahlin than most though, I think he is the second best asset any team can have in the NHL, after McDavid. But comparing Edvinsson to Dahlin is overhyping Edvinsson, although I really like Edvinsson. Edvinsson is in a tier below but obviously a super high end player.

 

[drw02]

Dahlin is one of the best passers in the NHL and the most skillful defenceman I have ever seen at 18,19,20 years old. Edvinsson doesn’t have nearly Dahlins offensive toolbox. I think they are similarly good defensively.

I guess I am also higher on Dahlin than most though, I think he is the second best asset any team can have in the NHL, after McDavid. But comparing Edvinsson to Dahlin is overhyping Edvinsson, although I really like Edvinsson. Edvinsson is in a tier below but obviously a super high end player.

You think Rasmus Dahlin is the 2nd best asset in the entire NHL? That's what he was supposed to be maybe, but he hasn't lived up to those expectations. Seider has already been better in his first season than Dahlin has been in his fourth

 

[AB13]

You think Rasmus Dahlin is the 2nd best asset in the entire NHL? That's what he was supposed to be maybe, but he hasn't lived up to those expectations. Seider has already been better in his first season than Dahlin has been in his fourth

I believe Dahlin was levels above Seider in his rookie season in 2018-19. Dahlin is twice the player. I honestly think Dahlin is just as good as advertised. One of the best puck movers in the world who controls games for fun.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Dahlin is one of the best passers in the NHL and the most skillful defenceman I have ever seen at 18,19,20 years old. Edvinsson doesn’t have nearly Dahlins offensive toolbox. I think they are similarly good defensively.

I believe Dahlin was levels above Seider in his rookie season in 2018-19. Dahlin is twice the player. I honestly think Dahlin is just as good as advertised. One of the best puck movers in the world who controls games for fun.

Well your opinion of Dahlin seems to be a bit too high. Seider is miles ahead defensively already, and Edvinsson also projects as being a much stronger defensive player (being much more trusted in that role in SHL than Dahlin was). Offensively, Dahlin has some incredible qualities but he hasn't been as good as advertised at all. Makar is basically what people though Dahlin would be.

 

[cjeagle]

I believe Dahlin was levels above Seider in his rookie season in 2018-19. Dahlin is twice the player. I honestly think Dahlin is just as good as advertised. One of the best puck movers in the world who controls games for fun.

Seider has already broken or tied a couple of Detroit team records for a rookie defenceman which is impressive considering the long history of an original six team like the Redwings.

In terms of all time assists, Seider is up there among many all time greats(and not just for Detroit) in terms of the shortest number of games needed for a defenceman to achieve 30 assists in their NHL career.



I don't see Dahlin in that list and he is nowhere close to the impact on defence that Seider has for his team. In fact Dahlin can be a liability on defence sometimes.

Seider has always been known for his defensive and physical dominance in Europe but what this season has shown is that his offensive skills is just as good at the NHL level which doubles the impact he has for his team in terms of all around play.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I believe Dahlin was levels above Seider in his rookie season in 2018-19. Dahlin is twice the player. I honestly think Dahlin is just as good as advertised. One of the best puck movers in the world who controls games for fun.

Really?

Like...you really think that?