RD Simon Edvinsson - Grand Rapids Griffins., AHL (2021, 6th, DET)

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

And that's a compliment when you realize that his floor is also higher than that of many of the top D prospects as well. Because he's already able to play sound defense and executing controlled breakouts at a high level in the SHL.

It isn't. His still of play is still more erratic in bursts and without consistency it can backfire. Among Power, Sanderson, Drysdale and the like, his floor isn't higher. The other tier D prospects? Definitely. His play in SHL this year has definitely alleviated a lot of the consistency issues but still needs more honing/work.

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

It isn't. His still of play is still more erratic in bursts and without consistency it can backfire. Among Power, Sanderson, Drysdale and the like, his floor isn't higher. The other tier D prospects? Definitely. His play in SHL this year has definitely alleviated a lot of the consistency issues but still needs more honing/work.

I dunno if I agree. In the scenario where we're talking about his floor, we're talking about him adapting his game to a defensive role. It wouldn't nearly be the same as what you see now, where he's ultra aggressive and pinching everywhere.

And, I mean, it's hard to say that such a freakish athlete doesn't have a higher floor. He's bigger, faster, stronger than virtually anyone, including the people on that list (same height as Power, though). He's already good defensively, for the most part, and he already passes the puck very well. That by itself is a helluva floor, and that's just where he is right now. Even disappointments improve over the years.

I think the only way Edvinsson could have a lower floor is if you think he has hockey IQ problems, which I don't. I think he has overconfidence issues, which is a complete different thing. He knows the "right" play to make, he just thinks he's special enough of an athlete to pull off whatever he wants. It would be easier to get him out of that mentality if it didn't work so often. In a situation where things aren't working out for him, I think he would come down to Earth and be able to play a very good shutdown game.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I think the only way Edvinsson could have a lower floor is if you think he has hockey IQ problems, which I don't. I think he has overconfidence issues, which is a complete different thing. He knows the "right" play to make, he just thinks he's special enough of an athlete to pull off whatever he wants. It would be easier to get him out of that mentality if it didn't work so often. In a situation where things aren't working out for him, I think he would come down to Earth and be able to play a very good shutdown game.

Exactly. What you went on to explain is called situational IQ. It's not completely different thing. His situational IQ is less than the other top guys, even in defensive zone at times. And what you went on to explain afterwards is part of IQ and coming down to earth is part of the floor. And aside from overconfidence, sometimes he'll plays too laxed. He has remarkable toolbox, just needs to put it all together.

We're crossing hairs here, he's still stellar, but his floor is def the lowest, as is his ceiling def the highest. It's not a knock, or he would have went 1st overall just a few months ago and 2 defenders wouldn't have went above him.

 

[lidstromiscool]

Exactly. What you went on to explain is called situational IQ. It's not completely different thing. His situational IQ is less than the other top guys, even in defensive zone at times. And what you went on to explain afterwards is part of IQ and coming down to earth is part of the floor. And aside from overconfidence, sometimes he'll plays too laxed. He has remarkable toolbox, just needs to put it all together.

We're crossing hairs here, he's still stellar, but his floor is def the lowest, as is his ceiling def the highest. It's not a knock, or he would have went 1st overall just a few months ago and 2 defenders wouldn't have went above him.

At least one team had Edvinsson as their #1 player. I don't think it's a stretch to assume that other teams did as well. Edvinsson and Power are in a class of their own for dmen in this draft, although it is early and Hughes/Clarke are still super young.

 

[Hen Kolland]

Exactly. What you went on to explain is called situational IQ. It's not completely different thing. His situational IQ is less than the other top guys, even in defensive zone at times. And what you went on to explain afterwards is part of IQ and coming down to earth is part of the floor. And aside from overconfidence, sometimes he'll plays too laxed. He has remarkable toolbox, just needs to put it all together.

We're crossing hairs here, he's still stellar, but his floor is def the lowest, as is his ceiling def the highest. It's not a knock, or he would have went 1st overall just a few months ago and 2 defenders wouldn't have went above him.

The reality is, that he and Power are contemporaries, whether you want to believe that or not. If you want to add in similar top 10 profiled defensemen of recent years, Sanderson and Seider would be the two logical additions. All of these guys possess prototypical size or greater. Are at a minimum, a plus skater for their size. Handle the defensive zone well, defend and initiate transition well, think the game at a high level, and have a largely unknown offensive upside at the NHL level. At varying levels they all excel at pretty much every aspect of their position. You could spend all of eternity arguing which prospect was best at which category. They are big bodies, will take on the hardest assignments for their teams, their impact will be noticed most from the D zone out.

Drysdale/Hughes/Byram/Clarke, to me, represent a different style of defenseman. They certainly have a place in the overall discussion.

This game of breaking down ceilings and floors is always going to be swayed based on personal perception of the player. My original comment of him having a higher floor than many top D prospects reflects this to a certain extent, but beating the dead horse that Edvinsson's floor is the lowest is just kind of... pointless. Edvinsson would not drown playing in the NHL today. It wouldn't be best for his development and there would be some bumps in the process, but I believe he could keep up with play today. Edvinsson's supposed low floor is that of a guy who will likely crack the opening night roster in Detroit next year and have a chance at a long NHL career, so I have a real hard time believing he has the lowest floor of the top D prospects. Unless you are going to tell me that all of these guys are guaranteed to be lock top 4 defensemen.

 

[wingerdinger]

The reality is, that he and Power are contemporaries, whether you want to believe that or not. If you want to add in similar top 10 profiled defensemen of recent years, Sanderson and Seider would be the two logical additions. All of these guys possess prototypical size or greater. Are at a minimum, a plus skater for their size. Handle the defensive zone well, defend and initiate transition well, think the game at a high level, and have a largely unknown offensive upside at the NHL level. At varying levels they all excel at pretty much every aspect of their position. You could spend all of eternity arguing which prospect was best at which category. They are big bodies, will take on the hardest assignments for their teams, their impact will be noticed most from the D zone out.

Drysdale/Hughes/Byram/Clarke, to me, represent a different style of defenseman. They certainly have a place in the overall discussion.

This game of breaking down ceilings and floors is always going to be swayed based on personal perception of the player. My original comment of him having a higher floor than many top D prospects reflects this to a certain extent, but beating the dead horse that Edvinsson's floor is the lowest is just kind of... pointless. Edvinsson would not drown playing in the NHL today. It wouldn't be best for his development and there would be some bumps in the process, but I believe he could keep up with play today. Edvinsson's supposed low floor is that of a guy who will likely crack the opening night roster in Detroit next year and have a chance at a long NHL career, so I have a real hard time believing he has the lowest floor of the top D prospects. Unless you are going to tell me that all of these guys are guaranteed to be lock top 4 defensemen.

His low floor rep I can only imagine is from his draft year report that he had a low hockey iq, which has been debunked with his play this year.

 

[cjeagle]

Apparently acc. to his team Frolunda, Edvinsson has grown to 200 cm (6'7") now. With his size, reach, skills, skating and all around play, he has the potential to be as dominant a defenceman in the future as Seider is today for the Redwings.

 

[Raistlin]

The reality is, that he and Power are contemporaries, whether you want to believe that or not. If you want to add in similar top 10 profiled defensemen of recent years, Sanderson and Seider would be the two logical additions. All of these guys possess prototypical size or greater. Are at a minimum, a plus skater for their size. Handle the defensive zone well, defend and initiate transition well, think the game at a high level, and have a largely unknown offensive upside at the NHL level. At varying levels they all excel at pretty much every aspect of their position. You could spend all of eternity arguing which prospect was best at which category. They are big bodies, will take on the hardest assignments for their teams, their impact will be noticed most from the D zone out.

Drysdale/Hughes/Byram/Clarke, to me, represent a different style of defenseman. They certainly have a place in the overall discussion.

This game of breaking down ceilings and floors is always going to be swayed based on personal perception of the player. My original comment of him having a higher floor than many top D prospects reflects this to a certain extent, but beating the dead horse that Edvinsson's floor is the lowest is just kind of... pointless. Edvinsson would not drown playing in the NHL today. It wouldn't be best for his development and there would be some bumps in the process, but I believe he could keep up with play today. Edvinsson's supposed low floor is that of a guy who will likely crack the opening night roster in Detroit next year and have a chance at a long NHL career, so I have a real hard time believing he has the lowest floor of the top D prospects. Unless you are going to tell me that all of these guys are guaranteed to be lock top 4 defensemen.

I just want to add the cautionary tale of Tyler Myers. All the tools, all the size, good enough in offense and defense against his contemporaries that he won the Calder. Just want to pump the breaks that that elusively explained situational IQ is what Myers lack...... in spades.

As a result, he is not a top tier defenseman, but should be good enough to be top 5 on a good team. Not saying he is that, but I would not bring Myers up when talking about Seider, but I will 100% bring him up when discussing Edvinsson's game.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I just want to add the cautionary tale of Tyler Myers. All the tools, all the size, good enough in offense and defense against his contemporaries that he won the Calder. Just want to pump the breaks that that elusively explained situational IQ is what Myers lack...... in spades.

As a result, he is not a top tier defenseman, but should be good enough to be top 5 on a good team. Not saying he is that, but I would not bring Myers up when talking about Seider, but I will 100% bring him up when discussing Edvinsson's game.

Just because they are similar height doesn’t make them similar players. Edvinsson isn’t just a great skater for his size, he’s a great skater in general. Meyers can’t compare with that single aspect of Edvinsson’s game. That is why Edvinsson is able to take so many risks and drive play deep into the offensive zone.

 

[Raistlin]

Just because they are similar height doesn’t make them similar players. Edvinsson isn’t just a great skater for his size, he’s a great skater in general. Meyers can’t compare with that single aspect of Edvinsson’s game. That is why Edvinsson is able to take so many risks and drive play deep into the offensive zone.

you're talking about skating, Im referring to decision making on the ice. Seider makes correct decisions 9 times out of ten, Edvinsson is much more erratic and it doesnt matter if he skates like McDavid.

 

[theslatcher]

Apparently acc. to his team Frolunda, Edvinsson has grown to 200 cm (6'7") now. With his size, reach, skills, skating and all around play, he has the potential to be as dominant a defenceman in the future as Seider is today for the Redwings.

Lets live in a timeline where Edvinsson just keeps growing. 220cm by 2025, 240 by 2030, etc.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

you're talking about skating, Im referring to decision making on the ice. Seider makes correct decisions 9 times out of ten, Edvinsson is much more erratic and it doesnt matter if he skates like McDavid.

I’ve watched a lot of Frolunda this year. Erratic is definitely not a word I’d use to describe his play. Quite the opposite.

Flat out, he has been integral to Frolunda’s success this season and has been their best player many nights. His defensive play has been pretty solid and his skating/stick handling allows him to tilt the ice.

 

[NHL Dude 120]

Does he spend another year in Sweden Sweden

 

[WingsToPick4th]

Does he spend another year in Sweden Sweden

Hoping hes on the wings next year

 

[Go Wings]

Does he spend another year in Sweden Sweden

No, Draper has gone on record saying he will be in Detroit or Grand Rapids next season.

 

[bsu]

I wish we took this guy, he's gonna be so damn good.

 

[cjeagle]

Lets live in a timeline where Edvinsson just keeps growing. 220cm by 2025, 240 by 2030, etc.

Acc, to the Frolunda website he is 199 cm tall now.

#7 Simon Edvinsson

 

[Kalv]

Strategy against the Red Wings will be to employ a bunch of sub-5'5 forwards so their D can't reach that low.
Checkmate, fellas

 

[Pavels Dog]

I’ve watched a lot of Frolunda this year. Erratic is definitely not a word I’d use to describe his play. Quite the opposite.

Flat out, he has been integral to Frolunda’s success this season and has been their best player many nights. His defensive play has been pretty solid and his skating/stick handling allows him to tilt the ice.

He’s definitely ”erratic” compared to Seider, way more mistakes and bigger variance in his game-to-game and shift-to-shift performance. There’s nothing wrong with saying that and people shouldn’t expect Edvinsson to be as steady and reliable as Seider from day 1.

That said I think Edvinsson would do really well if he is partnered with a steady presence like Seider until he can carry his own pairing.

 

[vildurson]

How has he been on Sweden this year? What's his development been? Is he still in the "1 more year in sweden + 1 year in ahl and then he should be good for NHL"-trajectory?

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

How has he been on Sweden this year? What's his development been? Is he still in the "1 more year in sweden + 1 year in ahl and then he should be good for NHL"-trajectory?

He’s been great, has cooled down a lot compared to his start of the year but that’s largely because of all the ups and downs his season has had because of covid protocol issues and being sick. At the world juniors he was clearly Sweden’s best player. He’ll be in Michigan next year either in Grand Rapids or detroit but most of us assume he will be on the wings blue line to start the season.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

He’s definitely ”erratic” compared to Seider, way more mistakes and bigger variance in his game-to-game and shift-to-shift performance. There’s nothing wrong with saying that and people shouldn’t expect Edvinsson to be as steady and reliable as Seider from day 1.

That said I think Edvinsson would do really well if he is partnered with a steady presence like Seider until he can carry his own pairing.

Erratic is Rasmus Ristolainen laying on a big hit, rushing the puck up ice, giving it away and the other team coming back to score on a 2 on 1. It’s Mantha scoring 3 goals one night then averaging 2 shots a game for the next 6.

Edvinsson has been really consistent this year defensively. He hasn’t been as good as Seider in his SHL season but the dude is in his d+1. He’s not far off where Seider was when Seider was with the Griffins which was his d+1.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

He’s definitely ”erratic” compared to Seider, way more mistakes and bigger variance in his game-to-game and shift-to-shift performance. There’s nothing wrong with saying that and people shouldn’t expect Edvinsson to be as steady and reliable as Seider from day 1.

That said I think Edvinsson would do really well if he is partnered with a steady presence like Seider until he can carry his own pairing.

He is going to disappoint a lot of Wings fans who are already expecting a Seider-like performance from him out of the gates. I love him as a prospect, but people need to have reasonable expectations of where he is at currently. The sooner they can get their heads around the fact that he is not Seider, the better.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

He’s definitely ”erratic” compared to Seider, way more mistakes and bigger variance in his game-to-game and shift-to-shift performance. There’s nothing wrong with saying that and people shouldn’t expect Edvinsson to be as steady and reliable as Seider from day 1.

That said I think Edvinsson would do really well if he is partnered with a steady presence like Seider until he can carry his own pairing.

Well said, Edvinsson has immense potential, maybe a higher single season performance than Seider in terms of athleticism and such, but his play is notable more polar than Seider. Hence he wasnt considered unanimous first. Excellent prospect, but some are riding the high of Seider and applying a bit of it to Edvinsson.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Well said, Edvinsson has immense potential, maybe a higher single season performance than Seider in terms of athleticism and such, but his play is notable more polar than Seider. Hence he wasnt considered unanimous first. Excellent prospect, but some are riding the high of Seider and applying a bit of it to Edvinsson.

While I agree he’s not as good as Seider, this argument is so, so bad. Seider would have gone 1st overall. Using draft position to justify opinions about a player years after their draft is nonsense.
If Edvinsson played like he has this year in the SHL in his draft season, he may have gone first.