RD Moritz Seider (2019, 6th, DET) Part 3

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for dahlin, not sure what the confusion is. He currently sucks, real bad.
I mean, watch him play.

Saying Dahlin currently sucks real bad is by far the most confusing thing here. Have you watched him play? Like in the last 3 weeks or so?

Not long after Granato took over Dahlin has been playing bigger minutes and looking really good doing it. Kreuger was ruining him.

He finally looks like Dahlin again. Future best D in the league still imo. As soon as next season.
 
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Saying Dahlin currently sucks real bad is by far the most confusing thing here. Have you watched him play? Like in the last 3 weeks or so?

Not long after Granato took over Dahlin has been playing bigger minutes and looking really good doing it. Kreuger was ruining him.

He finally looks like Dahlin again. Future best D in the league still imo. As soon as next season.
I’ll admit I’ve not seen him as much since Krueger was fired. Promising that he’s doing better. would be awesome for the sabres if he can realize his crazy potential.
 
Dahlin definitely doesn’t suck and still has one of the highest upsides of any player in the league. I think the probability he reaches that upside has drastically gone down though. His defense hasn’t developed as hoped.
 
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Saying Dahlin currently sucks real bad is by far the most confusing thing here. Have you watched him play? Like in the last 3 weeks or so?

Not long after Granato took over Dahlin has been playing bigger minutes and looking really good doing it. Kreuger was ruining him.

He finally looks like Dahlin again. Future best D in the league still imo. As soon as next season.
Dahlin is good and going to be great but not anywhere close to the best D in the world next year...
 
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Saying Dahlin currently sucks real bad is by far the most confusing thing here. Have you watched him play? Like in the last 3 weeks or so?

Not long after Granato took over Dahlin has been playing bigger minutes and looking really good doing it. Kreuger was ruining him.

He finally looks like Dahlin again. Future best D in the league still imo. As soon as next season.

Seems like you learnt nothing from last Dahlin poll you created asking where he finishes in D scoring (lowest option was TOP 20 or something)
Best D in the league by next season...
 
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Saying Dahlin currently sucks real bad is by far the most confusing thing here. Have you watched him play? Like in the last 3 weeks or so?

Not long after Granato took over Dahlin has been playing bigger minutes and looking really good doing it. Kreuger was ruining him.

He finally looks like Dahlin again. Future best D in the league still imo. As soon as next season.

Yeah, Krueger was ruining him by asking him to actually, you know, play defense from time to time.
 
Seems like you learnt nothing from last Dahlin poll you created asking where he finishes in D scoring (lowest option was TOP 20 or something)
Best D in the league by next season...

And what exactly should I have learned from that poll? The power of one of the league's worst coaches in recent memory to absolutely ruin a team and young star defensemen is just about the only thing that comes to mind. I'll give you that.

When I make the next one I'll probably limit it to top 15. Sounds about right. Have you seen the top 20? Still not better than Dahlin's 19yo season where he was I think 14th in ppg. Still had some Krueger stink on him that season too. Limiting the poll to 20 was and remains conservative, even 15-13 this year are only .02 above 19yo Dahlin.

The thread will kind of be fun to look back on with all of the people attempting to laugh at it coupled with how Dahlin will end the year and perform next year. 8pts in his last 9 games. If it was a full season he'd probably easily climb back into the top 20. If there was no Krueger from the start it would have been a breeze.

As for best D in the league next season, all I said was that it is a possibility not a guarantee. It is only a matter of time, and that time could be next season. He will be close though.

Yeah, Krueger was ruining him by asking him to actually, you know, play defense from time to time.
You aren't actually defending Krueger... are you? Sounds like you don’t know anything of the situation.

Yeah, Krueger was ruining him by asking him to actually, you know, not create offense. You know, the thing that actually makes him Dahlin (the best young and upcoming D in the league).

His system was garbage and it affected the whole team. It is easy to tell when you watch him now that he is going to be a special player.
 
I see him as a mixture of Nurse and Hedman, and I also think that's his range in terms of output.

Skies the limit; hopefully he can put it all together.
 
Chris Pronger with a less offense?

And better hair.

He plays a very heads up game just like Pronger when lugging the puck up ice, and Seider is as good a passer as any prospect I've seen. The guy just hits his mark from anywhere on the ice.

I think Seider's got what it takes to be a 30-40 point defenseman in the NHL but I wouldn't be surprised if he exceeded those totals either. Since we've drafted him the kid has blown the roof on expectations every step of the way.
 
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And better hair.

He plays a very heads up game just like Pronger when lugging the puck up ice, and Seider is as good a passer as any prospect I've seen. The guy just hits his mark from anywhere on the ice.

I think Seider's got what it takes to be a 30-40 point defenseman in the NHL but I wouldn't be surprised if he exceeded those totals either. Since we've drafted him the kid has blown the roof on expectations every step of the way.

I'm still going top end is a bigger Vladdy. Physically dominant, great skating, surprises you with his skill on occasion, but typically in the 40ish point range. Can man your top PP unit, but ideally you have a more offensive dman doing that. Plays great with the highly skilled guys because he thinks the game at a really high level even if he doesn't have that booming slapper.
 
And what exactly should I have learned from that poll? The power of one of the league's worst coaches in recent memory to absolutely ruin a team and young star defensemen is just about the only thing that comes to mind. I'll give you that.

When I make the next one I'll probably limit it to top 15. Sounds about right. Have you seen the top 20? Still not better than Dahlin's 19yo season where he was I think 14th in ppg. Still had some Krueger stink on him that season too. Limiting the poll to 20 was and remains conservative, even 15-13 this year are only .02 above 19yo Dahlin.

The thread will kind of be fun to look back on with all of the people attempting to laugh at it coupled with how Dahlin will end the year and perform next year. 8pts in his last 9 games. If it was a full season he'd probably easily climb back into the top 20. If there was no Krueger from the start it would have been a breeze.

As for best D in the league next season, all I said was that it is a possibility not a guarantee. It is only a matter of time, and that time could be next season. He will be close though.

Wasn't Krueger a coach when you made this poll? How did you not take that into consideration
Now you expect Tom Granato to be much better. I remember honeymoon with Krueger too.
I like Sabres so hoepfully next season wont be same story again. But you have a lot of faith in team last in NHL based on few game.
Guaranteed best D in the league, posibbly next year - good luck with that.
 
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And what exactly should I have learned from that poll? The power of one of the league's worst coaches in recent memory to absolutely ruin a team and young star defensemen is just about the only thing that comes to mind. I'll give you that.

When I make the next one I'll probably limit it to top 15. Sounds about right. Have you seen the top 20? Still not better than Dahlin's 19yo season where he was I think 14th in ppg. Still had some Krueger stink on him that season too. Limiting the poll to 20 was and remains conservative, even 15-13 this year are only .02 above 19yo Dahlin.

The thread will kind of be fun to look back on with all of the people attempting to laugh at it coupled with how Dahlin will end the year and perform next year. 8pts in his last 9 games. If it was a full season he'd probably easily climb back into the top 20. If there was no Krueger from the start it would have been a breeze.

As for best D in the league next season, all I said was that it is a possibility not a guarantee. It is only a matter of time, and that time could be next season. He will be close though.


You aren't actually defending Krueger... are you? Sounds like you don’t know anything of the situation.

Yeah, Krueger was ruining him by asking him to actually, you know, not create offense. You know, the thing that actually makes him Dahlin (the best young and upcoming D in the league).

His system was garbage and it affected the whole team. It is easy to tell when you watch him now that he is going to be a special player.

I think the majority of people would take makar over him. And potentially a few other d. Both short and long term.
 
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For anyone wondering, Yzerman was responsible for drafting Palat in the 7th round, Kucherov in the 2nd round, Anthony Cirelli, Andrei Vasilevskiy, and Brayden Point. His successful drafting is a huge reason Tampa Bay won the Stanley Cup.

Hence why he has earned some well-deserved praise for his drafting, and why many gave him the benefit OF* the doubt when he "reached" for Moritz Seider. Looks like that pick might pay off right now.
 
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For anyone wondering, Yzerman was responsible for drafting Palat in the 7th round, Kucherov in the 2nd round, Anthony Cirelli, Andrei Vasilevskiy, and Brayden Point. His successful drafting is a huge reason Tampa Bay won the Stanley Cup.

Hence why he has earned some well-deserved praise for his drafting, and why many gave him the benefit out the doubt when he "reached" for Moritz Seider. Looks like that pick might pay off right now.

This just opens a whole new bag of worms for me..
 
For anyone wondering, Yzerman was responsible for drafting Palat in the 7th round, Kucherov in the 2nd round, Anthony Cirelli, Andrei Vasilevskiy, and Brayden Point. His successful drafting is a huge reason Tampa Bay won the Stanley Cup.

Hence why he has earned some well-deserved praise for his drafting, and why many gave him the benefit out the doubt when he "reached" for Moritz Seider. Looks like that pick might pay off right now.
Scouts 95% of the time have the say after the 2nd or 3rd rd
 

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