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RD Moritz Seider (2019, 6th, DET) Part 3

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Bevans said:
At least quote me so I can help you with my post.

I said it's not surprising that D2 SHL Seider looks as good or better than D year SHL Hedman, especially because Seider has already played in the AHL.
20 year olds should look better than 17-18 year olds.

If you read that to mean that Seider is Hedman then you need to take your time reading others' posts.
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It wasn’t about your post? I don’t even think I read yours.
 
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We have to be ready for Seider to put up relatively uninspiring offensive numbers. Seider is a facilitator: he gets the puck to other guys, and they make the high danger plays. His value is in his ability to do it constantly. But if his team can't finish those chances, he's not going to pick up a ton of points. And as we've seen, Detroit really struggles to score.
 
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2020 Dodge Sebrango said:
We have to be ready for Seider to put up relatively uninspiring offensive numbers. Seider is a facilitator: he gets the puck to other guys, and they make the high danger plays. His value is in his ability to do it constantly. But if his team can't finish those chances, he's not going to pick up a ton of points. And as we've seen, Detroit really struggles to score.
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One of the biggest reasons Detroit has struggled is the missing aspect of this kind of player. I don't think he fixes all of their problems, not even close. But a guy being able to kill plays in the defensive zone consistently and transition the puck out will help the offense a lot. Especially with some of the speed players in Detroit that are better in transition. Tough to do when you're always lower in your zone and on your back-heel because your D isn't reliable at getting defensive stops and transitioning the puck. Hronek is okay at transitioning but struggles to get the stops, he just plays a lot so that helps. But I would argue we haven't had a D-man of this caliber since Kronwall's knees went and he stopped being a 1st pairing defender.

Seider's offense minus a big shot uptick which he could find as he fills out, will probably never be his calling card. He does have the chance to be an elite defensive d-man. I have said it before on our board, but he could be kind of a modern day Scott Stevens who had some offense, but that is never how I thought of him, it was his elite physical presence and defensive rock attributes that always were the first thoughts on him. Plus that rare mean streak, Seider enjoys the punishment he dishes out, it is pretty obvious when you watch him. Hopefully his body keeps up with it, I think it can as he fills out, we do have to point out he has a concussion and shoulder injury in the first two seasons though, he will need to stay healthy to keep playing this robust style. I am excited to see it in the NHL next year.
 
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The Zetterberg Era said:
One of the biggest reasons Detroit has struggled is the missing aspect of this kind of player. I don't think he fixes all of their problems, not even close. But a guy being able to kill plays in the defensive zone consistently and transition the puck out will help the offense a lot. Especially with some of the speed players in Detroit that are better in transition. Tough to do when you're always lower in your zone and on your back-heel because your D isn't reliable at getting defensive stops and transitioning the puck. Hronek is okay at transitioning but struggles to get the stops, he just plays a lot so that helps. But I would argue we haven't had a D-man on this caliber since Kronwall's knees went and he stopped being a 1st pairing defender.

Seider's offense minus a big shot uptick which he could find as he fills out, will probably never be his calling card. He does have the chance to be an elite defensive d-man. I have said it before on our board, but he could be kind of a modern day Scott Stevens who had some offense, but that is never how I thought of him, it was his elite physical presence and defensive rock attributes that always were the first thoughts on him. Plus that rare mean streak, Seider enjoys the punishment he dishes out, it is pretty obvious when you watch him. Hopefully his body keeps up with it, I think it can as he fills out, we do have to point out he has a concussion and shoulder injury in the first two seasons though, he will need to stay healthy to keep playing this robust style. I am excited to see it in the NHL next year.
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Precisely, the ability to consistently hit guys in stride, to see passing/shooting lanes before they're taken away, to hold the puck and wait for something to open up instead of panicking and dumping/icing the puck and turning it over. These are the traits Detroit severely lacks on the backend and it has a huge negative effect on the offense
 
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wings5 said:
Dahlin too, the transition isn't that easy. Ristolainen was also considered a can't miss Elite D as a prospect. Saying Hedman level is saying too much.
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Tell it to Sanny Lindström. Just said he was 100% sure that Seider is a top 5 NHL D within 5-7 years.
 
Pavels Dog said:
End of video CMore ranks him the 4th best junior player ever in SHL (behind Pettersson, Forsberg and Sedins).
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And those announcers are biased as well. They have Seider 4th, but they also straight up say if he was Swedish they might consider him the best dman to have ever played in the league with how hes played. The juniors ranked ahead were all swedish. Makes you wonder if Seider was a Swedish dman if he coulda got ahead of any of the guys ranked ahead of him there as well
 
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I’m happy to have people try and rain on our parade. It’s not going to stop Seider from becoming a top 5 NHL D within 4-5 seasons. I am confident in this. I believe he has the potential to be the best defenseman in the league.

once again, if you’ve not watched actual games of his in the SHL, you don’t understand his level of play. He is absolutely dominant and completely tilts the ice
 
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RedHawkDown said:
I’m happy to have people try and rain on our parade. It’s not going to stop Seider from becoming a top 5 NHL D within 4-5 seasons. I am confident in this. I believe he has the potential to be the best defenseman in the league.

once again, if you’ve not watched actual games of his in the SHL, you don’t understand his level of play. He is absolutely dominant and completely tilts the ice
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Honestly this as been evident since last year's WJCs. Germany was two completely different teams.

I specifically remember everybody raving about Zegras having four goals in the USA/Germany game. Oddly, Seider played nearly 30 minutes that game and I'm pretty sure none of Zegras' goals happened with him on the ice. Maybe one on a PP?
 
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newfy said:
They've made it to the finals and Seider hasnt been on the ice for a single goal against, including on the PK. Having games with 31-3 corsi will do that but thats an outrageous level of domination for anyone, forget a junior aged player
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Not saying he's going to be like them (although I wouldn't rule it out at this point...), but that's the kind of domination in a game that we saw from Lidstrom and Pronger from 1999 to 2010. There were some games that those two guys were just able to lock the other team out of their zone whenever they were on the ice.

His ability to swat down clearing attempts by the other team and hold the offensive zone is so key to Rogle's offense. And he can keep his zone locked down either by overpowering the opposition or by just cleanly stripping them of the puck. I am so excited to see him in the 2021-22 season in Detroit.
 
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