RD Moritz Seider (2019, 6th, DET) Part 2

[SoundAndFury]

This is incredibly ambitious considering Mo has a lanky frame (He’s 19, but still) and Byfuglien pushes 260 when properly conditioned

"Properly conditioned" in Byfuglien's case still means "kinda fat". Chara has a pretty lanky frame and has probably never weighed 260 pounds in his life, I wouldn't say he is behind Byfuglien in the strength department though.

My point is, you don't need Byfuglien's body (which is unique to say the least) to have Byfuglien's strength.

 

[Islay1989]

Comparing styles doesn't mean he's gonna do what Pronger did, it's just a base comparison to go by.

He plays nothing like him.

 

[Habs76]

Can't wait until he fills out. He will absolutely erase other players.

Seems like he can ragdoll guys fine at this size. I wouldn't want to see him add too much weight and lose that amazing mobility that allows him to make those hits.

 

[Islay1989]

If people expect him to play like Pronger they will be disappointed. He is physically imposing, but he does not go out of his way to intimidate or to throw his weight around. He also won't be top 10 in hits, because he simply doesn't play like that. And that's a good thing. It's better for Detroit he plays like Blake, than like Pronger. Blake would absolutely obliterate players when they challenged him or lowered their guard around him, but he didn't go out of his way to punish people like Pronger. But that's where the comparison with Blake ends as well. Blake was far better offensively than defensively, he wasn't some defensive stalwart that locked people down, while I expect Seider to be that, but I don't see him coming close to Blake's offensive potential. Hatcher comparison is also pretty poor, Hatcher was a dirty POS whose biggest asset was clutching and grabbing, it's a disservice to Seider to lump him in with that clown. It's tough to find a comparison for him in all honesty, Staal seems like a good comparison is some aspects, but Seider is far better offensively and no that's not a slight, prime Staal before his brother ended him was a brilliant defenseman, IIRC he came in 15th in Norris voting one season.

 

[Ricelund]

It's tough to find a comparison for him in all honesty, Staal seems like a good comparison is some aspects, but Seider is far better offensively and no that's not a slight, prime Staal before his brother ended him was a brilliant defenseman, IIRC he came in 15th in Norris voting one season.

Ohlund’s still the best comparison I can think of.

 

[Stony Curtis]

Ohlund’s still the best comparison I can think of.

Lemme see:
Big, tough gamer
Excellent defense
Underrated offense
Great leader and teammate
Loads of intangibles

Some Wings fans may be underwhelmed, but stylistically speaking, I'll take that all day every day. Just no injuries, please lol.

 

[Al48]

It would be awesome to just stop trying to compare him to other players and maybe just appreciate what he does in its own unique way. Never understood why people get so caught up in comparisons.

 

[Fatass]

Lemme see:
Big, tough gamer
Excellent defense
Underrated offense
Great leader and teammate
Loads of intangibles

Some Wings fans may be underwhelmed, but stylistically speaking, I'll take that all day every day. Just no injuries, please lol.

I see Seider as more a Rob Blake. Situational meanness, and decent enough offence to be a real difference maker on a winning team.

 

[RedWingzz]

Ohlund’s still the best comparison I can think of.

Not a bad comparison actually! I think (hope) Mo may have a bit more offensive upside. Ohlund was steady and consistently putting up some offense, but I think Seider may be a more offensive D than Ohlund.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Ohlund’s still the best comparison I can think of.

I've been saying this for the past year, bruh.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

 

[nbwingsfan]

That's on Mo. You make a hit like that in the NHL, expect that someone's gonna come looking for you. I'm sure he learned a lesson there

He learned that if you make a huge hit that the other team will take a stupid/dirty retaliatory penalty against you? What a bad lesson to learn... Stupid post.

 

[MBH]

He learned that if you make a huge hit that the other team will take a stupid/dirty retaliatory penalty against you? What a bad lesson to learn... Stupid post.

He's right.
Moritz better learn. If you're 6'5 and you lineup some team's top guy, someone's going to come after you.
Even in today's sanitized version of the NHL, Seider's going to have to decide how he stands up for his game.

 

[nbwingsfan]

He's right.
Moritz better learn. If you're 6'5 and you lineup some team's top guy, someone's going to come after you.
Even in today's sanitized version of the NHL, Seider's going to have to decide how he stands up for his game.

I would MUCH rather he continue to stomp the other team and keep playing while allowing the other team to take stupid penalties instead of turning around, and stop playing to fight.

Players rarely, if ever, get injured on retaliatory plays like that.

 

[Stony Curtis]

It's not about fighting. I don't think he needs to fight to be effective. It's about turning your back to the play after you've hammered someone on the half wall. It's about being self-aware. Whether you agree with it or not, there are still lots of guys in this league who will come after Mo if he plays like that. I don't want him to stop doing stuff like that, I just want players to think twice about coming at him hard when he does it. Let's call it preventive maintenance lol.

 

[TheOtherOne]

He's right.
Moritz better learn. If you're 6'5 and you lineup some team's top guy, someone's going to come after you.
Even in today's sanitized version of the NHL, Seider's going to have to decide how he stands up for his game.

Kronwall hurt a lot of people, drew retaliatory penalties, and walked away from fights. He played the 3rd most games in franchise history and retired at 38. The only consequence was that fans of other teams called him a p***y sometimes.

Why can't Seider do the same?

 

[Stony Curtis]

Kronwall hurt a lot of people, drew retaliatory penalties, and walked away from fights. He played the 3rd most games in franchise history and retired at 38. The only consequence was that fans of other teams called him a p***y sometimes.

Why can't Seider do the same?

That's a really good point, and something I've thought about. I think the difference is that for all the great hits, I never considered Kronwall mean or nasty. He'd lay you out cold-blooded, but other than that, he just STFU and did his thing. He never cared about the extracurriculars. Mo has a really nasty side to him, which, believe me, I appreciate, but I've seen him jawing with some with opponents and staring them down. I think he likes being the villain. That comes with baggage, though. Who knows, I could be wrong, but I know what my eye test tells me.

 

[Pavels Dog]

It's not about fighting. I don't think he needs to fight to be effective. It's about turning your back to the play after you've hammered someone on the half wall. It's about being self-aware. Whether you agree with it or not, there are still lots of guys in this league who will come after Mo if he plays like that. I don't want him to stop doing stuff like that, I just want players to think twice about coming at him hard when he does it. Let's call it preventive maintenance lol.

Watch the play full speed, he really has very little time before he's jumped from behind.

 

[Petrus]

What do you guys think of Ed Jovanovski as a compare?

 

[MBH]

Kronwall hurt a lot of people, drew retaliatory penalties, and walked away from fights. He played the 3rd most games in franchise history and retired at 38. The only consequence was that fans of other teams called him a p***y sometimes.

Why can't Seider do the same?

I think Seider's to gregarious to pull the Kronwall act.

 

[MBH]

What do you guys think of Ed Jovanovski as a compare?

Defense was always iffy with Jovocop.

 

[Preposterone]

What do you guys think of Ed Jovanovski as a compare?

I think Bouchard is the closer Jovocop comparable from that draft

 

[newfy]

Kronwall hurt a lot of people, drew retaliatory penalties, and walked away from fights. He played the 3rd most games in franchise history and retired at 38. The only consequence was that fans of other teams called him a p***y sometimes.

Why can't Seider do the same?

Different players. Kronwall was only physical when he was killing someone with a Kronwall hit. Seider plays physical all over the ice, is the first one into scrums and is always chirping. Kronwall didnt do that. I also think when someone 5'11 lights you up its less likely youre considered a bully. When someone like Seider who is 6'4"ish hits a guy like that after hes face washed 3 guys in front of the net, cross checked a guy screening the goalie and has been chirping your bench for 2 periods... theres going to be a different reaction

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

What do you guys think of Ed Jovanovski as a compare?

Don't drink and post.

 

[SuperScript29]

Ohlund’s still the best comparison I can think of.

I like Ohlund a lot and if Seider ends up being that kind of dman I would still be happy. That being said, Seider seems like a faster/better skater along with being more flashier with the puck, I don't remember Ohlund being that kind of player, he was always that tough stay at home dman that had some offensive flare on the PP.