RD Moritz Seider (2019, 6th, DET) Part 2

[HockeyNightInAsia]

Made the trip from Detroit to Vancouver for the ‘19 draft. Never in my life will I forget that gasp that went through Rogers place when Yzerman said “with the sixth pick in the draft, the Detroit Red Wings select, from Mannheim, of the DEL, Moritz Seider”

What a moment it must have been. Personally I read it up and loved Seider going in so the gasp also came with a smile when that happened, and, re-watching the live broadcast videos, I feel that some analysts had the same smile.

 

[Roof Daddy]

They've already said that it was Seider's decision.

Can’t blame him for making that choice. Beyond all the reasons you listed in the quote, Germany just doesn’t have a deep enough program to medal, so why bother? The guy will have countless opportunities to represent his country in the future, so it’s not really a special moment or anything.

Definitely making the right choice to focus on whatever aids his development best.

 

[Ricelund]

From Michael Clifford at Dobber:

As I have often mentioned, I am not a prospect guy. I don't spend hundreds of hours a year watching the European/Junior leagues like Cam Robinson or Peter Harling do. I watch what I can – Frozen Four, Memorial Cup, World Juniors – and go to people I trust for their impressions. So, that is a caveat that needs to be said whenever I talk about a prospect.

With that out of the way, I can't stop thinking about one prospect in particular: Moritz Seider.
The Red Wings took him sixth overall in 2019 and that was a bit of a surprise. Bob McKenzie had him 16th on his board, Cam had him 13th, while McKeen's Hockey had him 15th. Not that those three sources are the be-all, end-all, but those are among the sources I trust for prospects. When he was taken by Detroit, guys like Dylan Cozens and Trevor Zegras, all ranked higher in our sources, were still available. Victor Soderstrom, ranked higher in two of those three sources mentioned, was a defenceman still on the board. Ostensibly 'better' options were available, yet they went with Seider.

Since then, the guy has just been on a tear. In his first pro season in the AHL, he posted 22 points in 49 games. That was as an 18-year old rookie. So far this year in the Swedish league, he has eight points in nine games. As a 19-year old sophomore (I guess he'd be a rookie in that league). Max Bultman at The Athletic wrote a piece on him recently, mostly covering how his coaches, whether in the AHL or SweHL, all rave about him. Now, that's nothing new for a young prospect, as coaches aren't known to trash their young stars unless their name is Josh Ho-Sang. But that raving comes coupled with the excellent production as a teenager. All this in combination with the fact that Steve Yzerman, a guy who played with Nicklas Lidstrom for years, was the one who drafted him. I know that's an appeal to authority argument, but I believe Yzerman has earned his credibility through his various tenures as GM.

I am as big a fan as Filip Hronek as anyone else, but I think we need to realize that there is a potential superstar on the way, and probably very soon. There is one guy here worth the price of acquiring in a dynasty trade, and it's the guy who hasn't stepped foot on an NHL ice surface yet.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Nevermind that Kakko and Hughes struggled in the NHL, while Seider is doing well in a 2nd (or 3rd) tier league. Kakko and Hughes should have stayed in Finland/played in the CHL or NCAA or something and put up insane numbers against shit competition then everyone would claim they're the best prospects in the world AINEC

Hes not just doing well, he was the #1D on the Griffins at 18 and arguably the best player in the SHL as a 19 year old...

 

[deca guard]

theres guys like makar and hughes that are going to score more points than sides , but on the other hand sides going to prevent more points by opponant as a monster in his own zone . ecspecially when the traffic gets heavy around red wings net

 

[deca guard]

 

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[deca guard]

at 13 second mark bottom right side of screen seider hits ehn

 

[Hockeyfrilla]

He's a big boy

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

theres guys like makar and hughes that are going to score more points than sides , but on the other hand sides going to prevent more points by opponant as a monster in his own zone . ecspecially when the traffic gets heavy around red wings net

 

[WingsMJN2965]

I don't think it was meant to disrespect Makar as much as it was to compliment Seider.

Let's be honest, Seider will probably never put up Makar peak points, but Makar will probably never be known for turning people to dust while still making great defensive plays.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

I don't think it was meant to disrespect Makar as much as it was to compliment Seider.

Let's be honest, Seider will probably never put up Makar peak points, but Makar will probably never be known for turning people to dust while still making great defensive plays.

Tough to say. I need to see more from Makar at the NHL level and need to see Seider in the show.

Makar does blow people up sometimes. That’s definitely a part of his game because of his explosion and how strong he is on his skates. It certainly doesn’t happen all the time right now, but he definitely takes guys out with the body.

More than anything, Seider’s reach is going to give him an advantage in defending over smaller players.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Uh oh. Seider went down into the boards today and it did not look pretty. Perhaps a leg/ankle injury

 

[Christien]

Uh oh. Seider went down into the boards today and it did not look pretty. Perhaps a leg/ankle injury

He returned to the game shortly after he went into the boards. Looks to be all good.

 

[FinlandPanther]

Wings got a monster in this kid. Was super high on him and wanted him in the draft. Ended up with Spencer Knight but man this kid looks like a guaranteed stud. #1 D FOR SURE. Going to lead your core for the next 15 years.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Tough to say. I need to see more from Makar at the NHL level and need to see Seider in the show.

Makar does blow people up sometimes. That’s definitely a part of his game because of his explosion and how strong he is on his skates. It certainly doesn’t happen all the time right now, but he definitely takes guys out with the body.

More than anything, Seider’s reach is going to give him an advantage in defending over smaller players.

Trying to say Makar is more physical than Seider is an argument you'll lose. His physical play will likely be his top asset that sets him apart. One clip of Makar hitting a small player does not change that. Theres like 20 videos of Seider doing the same thing

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

Trying to say Makar is more physical than Seider is an argument you'll lose. His physical play will likely be his top asset that sets him apart. One clip of Makar hitting a small player does not change that. Theres like 20 videos of Seider doing the same thing

Well, I could certainly bring up other clips too, but that’s not at all what I said. Seider’s like 6’4, he almost certainly will be more physical than Makar at the pro level.

It just seemed like the original poster didn’t know that hitting is apart of Makar’s game.

 

[seadawg]

Trying to say Makar is more physical than Seider is an argument you'll lose. His physical play will likely be his top asset that sets him apart. One clip of Makar hitting a small player does not change that. Theres like 20 videos of Seider doing the same thing

No one is saying Makar is or ever will be more physical than Seider. But just like Seider should be given some credit for his developing offensive potential, Makar's physicality should not be dismissed either. Makar can certainly be surprisingly physical when he needs to be, and he will likely continue to develop that part of his game.

No disrespect meant to either player. Both are future Norris contenders.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Tough to say. I need to see more from Makar at the NHL level and need to see Seider in the show.

Makar does blow people up sometimes. That’s definitely a part of his game because of his explosion and how strong he is on his skates. It certainly doesn’t happen all the time right now, but he definitely takes guys out with the body.

More than anything, Seider’s reach is going to give him an advantage in defending over smaller players.

Yup. Think it was mentioned at the draft that his reach is that of a typical 6' 8" guy.

The fact that he made a reputation on his defense on big ice, as a big guy, should be a big sign for the NHL. If he can shut guys down with more open space, it'll only get easier on smaller ice.

Granted, there will be much better players in the NHL. I'm just talking about the concept of shutting people down in general.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

The thing that gets me most excited about Seider is that he has played the exact same game and done very well in three different professional men's leagues.

Some guys can dominate one league and suck in every other league. Seider plays the same game and does well no matter where he is. This bodes well for the NHL.

 

[seadawg]

The thing that gets me most excited about Seider is that he has played the exact same game and done very well in three different professional men's leagues.

Some guys can dominate one league and suck in every other league. Seider plays the same game and does well no matter where he is. This bodes well for the NHL.

This is not a criticism of Seider at all, but he plays a very simple game.

He is very composed and calm, makes smart, low-risk passes, and knows where to position himself in the defensive zone to optimize his size and reach. When he goes for a bodycheck, he doesn't put himself out of position or take himself out of the play. Even when he joins the rush, he picks his spots and as a result doesn't get caught up ice when there's a turnover. I have no doubt that the way he plays the game will easily translate to the NHL, as (like you said) it has done in every league he has played in so far.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

This is not a criticism of Seider at all, but he plays a very simple game.

He is very composed and calm, makes smart, low-risk passes, and knows where to position himself in the defensive zone to optimize his size and reach. When he goes for a bodycheck, he doesn't put himself out of position or take himself out of the play. Even when he joins the rush, he picks his spots and as a result doesn't get caught up ice when there's a turnover. I have no doubt that the way he plays the game will easily translate to the NHL, as (like you said) it has done in every league he has played in so far.

Wings fans who would take, "Plays a simple game", as a criticism, would be Wings fans who apparently never watched Lidstrom play. His game was the definition of simple.

Note: I'm not drawing comparisons between the two.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Wings fans who would take, "Plays a simple game", as a criticism, would be Wings fans who apparently never watched Lidstrom play. His game was the definition of simple.

Note: I'm not drawing comparisons between the two.

Great players make difficult things look simple.

 

[Northwing19]

This is not a criticism of Seider at all, but he plays a very simple game.

He is very composed and calm, makes smart, low-risk passes, and knows where to position himself in the defensive zone to optimize his size and reach. When he goes for a bodycheck, he doesn't put himself out of position or take himself out of the play. Even when he joins the rush, he picks his spots and as a result doesn't get caught up ice when there's a turnover. I have no doubt that the way he plays the game will easily translate to the NHL, as (like you said) it has done in every league he has played in so far.

Your first two sentences remind me of this guy who wore #5 for the wings.

 

[Stony Curtis]

Your first two sentences remind me of this guy who wore #5 for the wings.

Yup. Jean Hamel was pretty good lol.

Actually, Hamel was on my paper route when I was just a small Stony. We both lived in Redford, which tells you what salaries were like back then. He was impressed I knew who he was, and would throw a couple of tickets my way every now and then. Really nice guy. He wasn't a heavyweight, but he was fearless. Got knocked cold by a Louis Sleigher sucker punch in the "Good Friday Massacre" while playing for the Habs. Got an eye injury that pretty much ended his career.

Oops. Sorry for the digression lol.