RD Mitchell Miller - Tri-City Storm, USHL (2020, 111th, ARI, rights renounced)

[Figgy44]

I didn't do what he did, but I did some stuff that I'm embarrassed and ashamed of. And can honestly chalk them up to as being a "stupid kid who didn't know any better"....because that's the truth. Children aren't mentally equipped to feel the same level of empathy as adults can. Most kids don't understand the impacts of what they are doing to others. It's a fact.

Sure. But You keep talking about half the facts. That's why people are arguing with you because you use half fact and half theory, when we have two pieces of fact.

I never even heard of anyone at my high school giving or receiving a swirly. Maybe you saw more stuff than I did since you were probably in high school significantly longer than I was.

I'm mid 30s. When I was a kid, swirly were on their way out (suspend-able offense). Wedgie and Melvins were the thing at that time.

In that same vein, spitballs were on their way out as well and paper wedges fired from an elastic replaced them. I was on the sending and receiving end of getting a paper wedge shot into the eye. Ultimately, those got banned from school as well (suspend-able offense). This was no different than snow balls being banned as well.

I hate sjws too, but i also hate assholes and idiots. This kid is both an asshole and an idiot. I wouldn't employ him that is for certain.

This reminds me of the ending scene of Team America where he talks about effing and pooping.

What? How could you forget the tipping point?!

I seriously have no idea what this refers to and I don't know if it's a Lizzie McGuire or Hillary Duff reference...

You honestly dont see a distinction between going after someone for their actions when they were a child vs actions by an adult?

I cannot speak on behalf of that other poster, but we do have facts on the Miller case.

In 2016, his hollow apology was rejected by the victim and the magistrate (judge?). At that time, along the taunting, there seemed to be no remorse.

In 2020, he sent all the NHL teams a letter discussing the 2016 lawsuit and claimed he had changed for the better and had issued an apology to the victim. Bill Armstrong referenced this letter in the defense of drafting Miller. The victim's mother then came out of the wood work to address Armstrong's comment (likely because they had kinda been referenced) and mentioned that Miller had continued taunting her son even after the successful lawsuit against him and had never directly apologized for what he had done other than the rejected court required apology.


I agree with what you are saying. 14 year olds can be horrifically stupid and aren't past redemption and perhaps shouldn't live with dumb things they did for the rest of their lives if they have reformed and changed for the better. I think you agree with this fact.

The problem is that you then go off on a theoretical on what Miller is like now. There are already public facts of what he is like right now. Theoretical is incorrect in this case. That's why many are jumping down your throat. Your point has merit if we don't know anything, but unfortunately, we do know, and we know quite a bit from several different independent point of views.

The fact is, that rather than properly apologize and reform his poor act, 4 years later, there's new evidence that he has doubled, tripled, quadrupled down and spending excessive effort on minimizing the act, claim it was a one off (even though it was over 4-6 years), try to change others perception of him to reduce the inconvenience on his life etc. rather than the simple and proper act of owning up and apologizing to the victim directly. It is as if he and his family are deliberately refusing to apologize directly. This is why most posters are absolutely against him.

Although conjecture, the victim being petty and trying to ruin his life makes no sense. The victim accepted and forgave the other bully.

This evidence leads everyone to understand that the 14 year old stuff is irrelevant if at the age of 18, he has shown that he has not learned a single thing at the age of 14. For whatever reason he and his camp are spending excessive time to reduce the inconvenience on his life rather than the much shorter and simpler act of directly apologizing to the victim which is a new level of low.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Thugs with criminal records we've seen plenty of them in NFL or NBA. The list is so long.

It's been 4 months since we know what Mitchell Miller did at 14 yo. This has probably caused him a lot of trouble already. He probably slipped in the draft because of it.

For Arizona, who had no choice until then, it was a great opportunity to take him pick 111.

 

[Fatass]

I find many individuals nowadays like to significantly exaggerate and use dramatic verbiage which makes things convoluted when everyone gets into a mob frenzy. I don't think Miller is a sociopath or psychopath as many like to say. I do not believe he is not capable of understanding human emotion. I think he is more of a sadist where he derived pleasure in tormenting Meyer-Crothers specifically.

Mentioned in the previous threads (that got shut down for a reason and hopefully this prospect one doesn't too, so let's try to get it back on track), some others and I felt he and his family just straight up refuses to apologize to Meyer-Crothers. The reason is unknown. Some may point at the upbringing and family environment, but the rollerblading past the family home during the no contact IMO shows that Mitchell himself is acting as his own agent in perpetuating this stuff and IMO it kinda shows he is doing it on purpose, likely because he likes it.

Look, while yes, the NHL absolutely doesn't want the negative publicity of someone un-remorseful and someone who flaunts poor judgement in relation to diversity and equality. But there are too many keyboard warriors and SJW who basically put the onus on the individual to just figure it out himself/herself or someone else will basically guide them. It is absolutely in the NHL's favor to put in a ton of hands on effort and work to rehab this kid and as a significant stepping stone towards the diversity and equality they want. If successful, they could champion him as an example. If unsuccessful, they can still learn a ton about the programs they use to attempt to fix some of the significant cultural problems in hockey today.


Parallel this to a concept about 10-15 years ago. Hopefully this doesn't get filtered because I think it's important to remember and learn from. But 10-15 years ago, does anyone remember how English slang had gay = stupid (That's so gay, you're so gay etc.)? It took a long while and I don't remember what the tipping point was, but it took a while for the LGBTQ+ community to finally explain to the masses that that word usage was hurtful and painful for their community. They also spent a ton of time respectfully asking many to stop using the word gay in lieu of the word stupid. Lots of legwork was done to allow them to reclaim the word gay as their own.

I'm not going to pretend that once upon a time I didn't fully understand my actions in terms of the usage of the word gay = stupid. Hiding behind the fact that everyone seemed to use the word in that manner is bad form and irrelevant. Mowing people down for not being enlightened of this error isn't going to help. You need former transgressors as allies to really get the strength and momentum needed to instill change. We don't have to reinvent the wheel, we can adapt a wheel used in the past and change the social topic that needs to be attached to the wheel of change.

If the Yotes aren't already doing this, I hope the league steps in to do hands on work on Mitchell Miller. I'm not going to lie, I freaking hate this kid. But I still think everyone needs to do everything possible to try and give him an opportunity for redemption, no matter how many times he doesn't take advantage of the opportunity. Again, I freaking hate this kid, but the more we try and crucify him, the more he and many of his ilk entrench themselves in their belief. It's hard as hell, but the way to victory is kindness and compassion, even if it's painful as hell to deploy.

A metaphor I often use is that when you point a finger, understand that there are more pointing back at yourself. Everyone is making this about Mitchell Miller. But I think we should also not forget that a lot of this should also be about evaluating ourselves. Bullying a bully only perpetuates a problem. Creating allies and friendship is how we will socially move to be better as a whole going forward.

I agree that language changes over time. I don’t know if Miller was using “gay” as a put down though. When I was young, 60’s, “gay” meant happy. But words’ meanings do change, and society needs to adapt to the changes. Miller though did so much worse than just name call, which over time is very harmful too. He was physically abusing this mentally disabled child too. And the abuse went on for nearly a decade.

 

[Figgy44]

I agree that language changes over time. I don’t know if Miller was using “gay” as a put down though. When I was young, 60’s, “gay” meant happy. But words’ meanings do change, and society needs to adapt to the changes. Miller though did so much worse than just name call, which over time is very harmful too. He was physically abusing this retrarded p child too. And the abuse went on for nearly a decade.

Sorry, I wasn't saying Miller used the term gay. I was paralleling the past where something was once common and considered no big deal to the modern day where the usage is reformed.

There's possibly an underlying culture somewhere (albeit what Miller did is still excessive) where this is kinda OK (ie: Hazing etc.). Hopefully over time (and I don't know what sparks the change) this understanding and culture dissipates for an improved understanding and cultural norm. That's what I was trying to say.

 

[Paper]

There's possibly an underlying culture somewhere (albeit what Miller did is still excessive) where this is kinda OK (ie: Hazing etc.). Hopefully over time (and I don't know what sparks the change) this understanding and culture dissipates for an improved understanding and cultural norm. That's what I was trying to say.

Sure there's a culture where it's acceptable. That culture happens to use a lot of bleach and love their hoods.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Do you know how many people have their chances of a good career destroyed because of BS drug charges when they were kids? And we’re supposed to feel sorry for this ghoul because he might not be able to make millions of dollars playing a game? He doesn’t deserve it — there should be consequences for torturing a disabled kid for years.

This isn’t a “cancel culture” issue, my god.

 

[xoczar99ox]

The internet is destroying his future? I don't know, I think maybe it has to do with the fact that he called a disabled Black teen racial slurs while feeding him a urinal snack and then not seeking forgiveness from his victim. But, then again maybe it is this internet-thing that was just invented.

Ok. Ok. I have to admit I didn’t know, and don’t know any details of what he did. I just mean that if heard correctly he was 14 at the time and gets drafted at 18. I did some pretty stupid shit my youth and have grown into what I feel is a good person. If there isn’t anything recently to discuss people should just move on and let it be.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

It's funny how the media has a knack for exaggerating opinions. When the information became available on the site 4 months ago, there were measured opinions. But because the media have exploited the story to make it an article relayed on all mainstream media, some would like to ban it from playing. I do not excuse Mitchell Miller's gesture, but those who want to strive for his social death are no better.

@SteveCangialosi123 Do you have any examples? Because there are plenty of college players with drug histories selected in the NFL. For exemple, Laremy Tunsil was selected 15th just after a compromising video appeared on the internet. Baker Mayfield was selected No.1 a few months after drunk driving (endangering others) and obsessive actions in the field.

There is also the case of Michael Vick who has done 1000 times worse and who returned to the NFL as a hero. Without forgetting Myles Garrett, Richie Incognito, Adrian Peterson…

How many NFL players have a criminal record with facts of domestic violence, sexual abuse, illegal gun carrying, drug trafficking ? In 1999, there were 509 including 109 for serious crimes. Foot US et US criminels

 

[Paper]

Ok. Ok. I have to admit I didn’t know, and don’t know any details of what he did. I just mean that if heard correctly he was 14 at the time and gets drafted at 18. I did some pretty stupid shit my youth and have grown into what I feel is a good person. If there isn’t anything recently to discuss people should just move on and let it be.

For 9 years he tormented a boy to the point of criminal charges. He used racial slurs, bashed his head against a wall, made him eat candy he pissed on, was this comparable to the same stupid shit you did? After your court case did you intimidate your victim for another 2 years until you were 16 and only stopped when you moved to pursue your hockey career? Did you refuse to apologize in person for it? Did you tell everyone else that you did apologize for it, while greatly downplaying your actions, as an 18 year old adult?

I'm going to assume you answered 'no' to a lot of those questions, which is why what your and most of our experiences as stupid kids is not at all comparable to what this person did, and is doing.

 

[BB06]

Kids who skip classes or getting into small altercation/fights get kicked out and have trouble finding other schools to accept them and usually are pushed into Alternative schools for misfit children. Did this kid even get expelled? Seems he’s had easily sailing whether it be getting accepted into high quality hockey programs or full ride scholarships.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

It's funny how the media has a knack for exaggerating opinions. When the information became available on the site 4 months ago, there were measured opinions. But because the media have exploited the story to make it an article relayed on all mainstream media, some would like to ban it from playing. I do not excuse Mitchell Miller's gesture, but those who want to strive for his social death are no better.

@SteveCangialosi123 Do you have any examples? Because there are plenty of college players with drug histories selected in the NFL. For exemple, Laremy Tunsil was selected 15th just after a compromising video appeared on the internet. Baker Mayfield was selected No.1 a few months after drunk driving (endangering others) and obsessive actions in the field.

There is also the case of Michael Vick who has done 1000 times worse and who returned to the NFL as a hero. Without forgetting Myles Garrett, Richie Incognito, Adrian Peterson…

How many NFL players have a criminal record with facts of domestic violence, sexual abuse, illegal gun carrying, drug trafficking ? In 1999, there were 509 including 109 for serious crimes. Foot US et US criminels

Tunsil acknowledged, apologized, and passed all drug tests. His previous incidents he did the same and served suspensions for.
Mayfield acknowledged and apologized and it wasn't drunk driving.
Michael Vick acknowledge and apologized and literally served years of jail time.
Myles Garrett acknowledged and apologized.
Incognitio acknowledge, apologized, and sought therapy and allegedly reformed based on the incident.
Peterson acknowledge, apologized, and sought therapy.

Seeing a pattern? all of the people you seem to see as the worst in the game have all at the very least cleared the bar of very public apology and attempted restitution, many sought therapy, many donated to charity and tried to make a difference based on the concern. No matter how you feel about their actions, every single one of them was able to face up to the issue.

Miller can't even clear the bare minimum bar of acknowledgement and his incident (of long duration) was arguably the worst.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

It's funny how the media has a knack for exaggerating opinions. When the information became available on the site 4 months ago, there were measured opinions. But because the media have exploited the story to make it an article relayed on all mainstream media, some would like to ban it from playing. I do not excuse Mitchell Miller's gesture, but those who want to strive for his social death are no better.

@SteveCangialosi123 Do you have any examples? Because there are plenty of college players with drug histories selected in the NFL. For exemple, Laremy Tunsil was selected 15th just after a compromising video appeared on the internet. Baker Mayfield was selected No.1 a few months after drunk driving (endangering others) and obsessive actions in the field.

There is also the case of Michael Vick who has done 1000 times worse and who returned to the NFL as a hero. Without forgetting Myles Garrett, Richie Incognito, Adrian Peterson…

How many NFL players have a criminal record with facts of domestic violence, sexual abuse, illegal gun carrying, drug trafficking ? In 1999, there were 509 including 109 for serious crimes. Foot US et US criminels

...you need me to find examples of people unable to find gainful employment because of drug charges? Im not talking about athletes, I’m talking about regular people. I literally know people that had their lives basically destroyed because of drug charges. Anyway...

Your (dogwhistle) point about NFL players is idiotic because the NFL actually has a lower crime rate than the general population of the US. It varies year to year and by what crime you select for, but the overall crime rate is lower than the general population.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Tunsil acknowledged, apologized, and passed all drug tests. His previous incidents he did the same and served suspensions for.
Mayfield acknowledged and apologized and it wasn't drunk driving.
Michael Vick acknowledge and apologized and literally served years of jail time.
Myles Garrett acknowledged and apologized.
Incognitio acknowledge, apologized, and sought therapy and allegedly reformed based on the incident.
Peterson acknowledge, apologized, and sought therapy.

Seeing a pattern? all of the people you seem to see as the worst in the game have all at the very least cleared the bar of very public apology and attempted restitution, many sought therapy, many donated to charity and tried to make a difference based on the concern. No matter how you feel about their actions, every single one of them was able to face up to the issue.

Miller can't even clear the bare minimum bar of acknowledgement and his incident (of long duration) was arguably the worst.

Mayfield was drunk. Garrett never apologized. He even defamed on his victim. All his people were of legal age at the time of the incident. Miller was only 14. Anyway he also admitted the facts. If you seem to forgive Michael Vick and Co., you'll have no trouble apologizing for a kid's bullshit.

 

[xoczar99ox]

For 9 years he tormented a boy to the point of criminal charges. He used racial slurs, bashed his head against a wall, made him eat candy he pissed on, was this comparable to the same stupid shit you did? After your court case did you intimidate your victim for another 2 years until you were 16 and only stopped when you moved to pursue your hockey career? Did you refuse to apologize in person for it? Did you tell everyone else that you did apologize for it, while greatly downplaying your actions, as an 18 year old adult?

I'm going to assume you answered 'no' to a lot of those questions, which is why what your and most of our experiences as stupid kids is not at all comparable to what this person did, and is doing.

Ok you win. He’s a piece of shit and he’s got it coming. I thought this was a case of the hockey press creating a mountain out of a mole. I was clearly wrong.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

...you need me to find examples of people unable to find gainful employment because of drug charges? Im not talking about athletes, I’m talking about regular people. I literally know people that had their lives basically destroyed because of drug charges. Anyway...

Your (dogwhistle) point about NFL players is idiotic because the NFL actually has a lower crime rate than the general population of the US. It varies year to year and by what crime you select for, but the overall crime rate is lower than the general population.

NFL Crimes 2000 to Present - Interactive Data Visualization

What you are saying is not surprising since the NFL is a league of privileged millionaires. But compared to the NHL and even more to the millionaire standard it's huge.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Mayfield was drunk. Garrett never apologized. He even defamed on his victim. All his people were of legal age at the time of the incident. Miller was only 14. Anyway he also admitted the facts. If you seem to forgive Michael Vick and Co., you'll have no trouble apologizing for a kid's bullshit.

Well, first of all, it's a shitload of false equivalencies but I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you weren't being ignorant, but guess I was wrong. My bad.

Second, you got the charges and details wrong on some and incidents altogether wrong on others, which is problematic if you want to paint it all as if it's one shade of bad anyway. I get it, you're going off the cuff, but you are getting called on the facts of the incidents since you want to use them as examples and it's pretty clear you have no clue what each one is.

Third, if you can't figure out the difference between smoking a bong on camera and systematically abusing a handicapped POC for nearly a decade, that's on you.

But even looking past all that--you completely ignored the main point: each man acknowledged and apologized for his incidents and many did much more. Miller has done NOTHING to show contrition for years of systematic abuse. In fact, all he's done is cover his own ass at every turn
and that is TRULY disgusting behavior piling upon the earlier incident.


I can forgive a guy and give him a chance to rehabilitate. Others may not, that's their perogative. But I'm speaking to a guy who is calling all this "a kid's bullshit" so I may as well be talking to an onion.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

First, you don't know Mitchell Miller. You don't know any more about this than I do. Did he apologize or not? The article I read said yes. The family say they didn't think he was sincere. But that's all. Myles Garrett after lynshing his victim falsely accused him of racism to justify his action. 2020, he's back.

Second, I believe what Michael Vick at 25 did is indefinitely more serious. I work in schools and I can tell you that school bullying with racial mockery is very common. I made 4 incident reports in 5 years of this type.

Third, for a claimed pacifist, I find you very aggressive towards me.

Fourth, 5 years have passed and he was only 14 at the time of the incident. You tell me about 9 years of harassment. Even if this is true, it would mean that Miller has to pay 5 years later for child harassment. In my teenage years, I knew guys who harassed me mentally by telling me over and over that I was ugly, that I squinted, that I was a dirty Belgian to destroy me morally and humiliate me. Physically, if I hadn't known how to defend myself, I would probably have been beaten up. Like other teenagers. But you cannot hold an adult responsible for what he did as a child. Penally this is not possible. Morally either.

 

[Guttersniped]

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Stating that childhood bullying has been going on since the dawn of time and will continue until the end of time is just stating a fact. But nuance is not something that Pitchfork Nation is capable of.

Miller is the worst person to ever walk the planet. He should be prevented from ever earning a living. He should hang his head in shame until the day he dies.

Is that better? Because that seems to be the general sentiment of the mob.

Yes, because it’s clear that your greatest gifts lie in your carefully crafted, nuanced arguments because says nuance like an insipid comment about bullying followed by a cheap strawman argument, with zero actual factual information.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Didn’t Arizona gets punished for interviewing 2020 class earlier than they should be?

Lol

 

[thefutures]

Mayfield was drunk. Garrett never apologized. He even defamed on his victim. All his people were of legal age at the time of the incident. Miller was only 14. Anyway he also admitted the facts. If you seem to forgive Michael Vick and Co., you'll have no trouble apologizing for a kid's bullshit.

Kids BS ≠ hate crime. Stop trying to brush this under the rug, it wasn't normal shenanigans or bad behavior.

 

[Coaches Coroner]

Defending physical abuse and mental abuse (including racial slurs) toward a mentally handicapped child to own the Libs.

First, you don't know Mitchell Miller. You don't know any more about this than I do. Did he apologize or not? The article I read said yes. The family say they didn't think he was sincere. But that's all. Myles Garrett after lynshing his victim falsely accused him of racism to justify his action. 2020, he's back.

Second, I believe what Michael Vick did is indefinitely more serious. I work in schools and I can tell you that school bullying with racial mockery is very common. I made 4 incident reports in 5 years of this type.

Third, for a claimed pacifist, I find you very aggressive towards me.

It is very strange and funny to me that just about everyone defending Miller invokes the sins of an unrelated black athlete, as if people criticizing Miller's behaviour are hypocrites if they don't absolve Miller because a completely unrelated person of colour did something bad in another sport (as if those critiquing Miller would defacto defend Michael Vick's actions or anyone elses on the basis of colour alone). Very telling frankly.

My dogs ears are perked.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

First, you don't know Mitchell Miller. You don't know any more about this than I do. Did he apologize or not? The article I read said yes. The family say they didn't think he was sincere. But that's all. Myles Garrett after lynshing his victim falsely accused him of racism to justify his action. 2020, he's back.

Second, I believe what Michael Vick at 25 did is indefinitely more serious. I work in schools and I can tell you that school bullying with racial mockery is very common. I made 4 incident reports in 5 years of this type.

Third, for a claimed pacifist, I find you very aggressive towards me.

Fourth, 5 years have passed and he was only 14 at the time of the incident. You tell me about 9 years of harassment. Even if this is true, it would mean that Miller has to pay 5 years later for child harassment. In my teenage years, I knew guys who harassed me mentally by telling me over and over that I was ugly, that I squinted, that I was a dirty Belgian to destroy me morally and humiliate me. Physically, if I hadn't known how to defend myself, I would probably have been beaten up. Like other teenagers. But you cannot hold an adult responsible for what he did as a child. Penally this is not possible. Morally either.

I shouldn't know more than you do, but you're choosing to ignore what is publicly known so you can can draw false equivalencies to excuse Miller. You're continuing to ignore fact, deflect, and distract.

The point is we're not moving on from the incident because he hasn't done a thing to prove he's a better person, whereas every single one of your false equivalencies--even though most of them were much lesser incidents--did much, much more to make amends. Fig summed Miller's current issue up nicely, much friendlier than I'll be about it, because frankly, I have a short temper with deliberate ignorance:

I cannot speak on behalf of that other poster, but we do have facts on the Miller case.

In 2016, his hollow apology was rejected by the victim and the magistrate (judge?). At that time, along the taunting, there seemed to be no remorse.

In 2020, he sent all the NHL teams a letter discussing the 2016 lawsuit and claimed he had changed for the better and had issued an apology to the victim. Bill Armstrong referenced this letter in the defense of drafting Miller. The victim's mother then came out of the wood work to address Armstrong's comment (likely because they had kinda been referenced) and mentioned that Miller had continued taunting her son even after the successful lawsuit against him and had never directly apologized for what he had done other than the rejected court required apology.


I agree with what you are saying. 14 year olds can be horrifically stupid and aren't past redemption and perhaps shouldn't live with dumb things they did for the rest of their lives if they have reformed and changed for the better. I think you agree with this fact.

The problem is that you then go off on a theoretical on what Miller is like now. There are already public facts of what he is like right now. Theoretical is incorrect in this case. That's why many are jumping down your throat. Your point has merit if we don't know anything, but unfortunately, we do know, and we know quite a bit from several different independent point of views.

The fact is, that rather than properly apologize and reform his poor act, 4 years later, there's new evidence that he has doubled, tripled, quadrupled down and spending excessive effort on minimizing the act, claim it was a one off (even though it was over 4-6 years), try to change others perception of him to reduce the inconvenience on his life etc. rather than the simple and proper act of owning up and apologizing to the victim directly. It is as if he and his family are deliberately refusing to apologize directly. This is why most posters are absolutely against him.

Although conjecture, the victim being petty and trying to ruin his life makes no sense. The victim accepted and forgave the other bully.

This evidence leads everyone to understand that the 14 year old stuff is irrelevant if at the age of 18, he has shown that he has not learned a single thing at the age of 14. For whatever reason he and his camp are spending excessive time to reduce the inconvenience on his life rather than the much shorter and simpler act of directly apologizing to the victim which is a new level of low.

 

[Masked]

Defending physical abuse and mental abuse (including racial slurs) toward a physically handicapped child to own the Libs.

Miller's victim is not physically handicapped, he's developmentally delayed. If you can't get simple facts like that correct, how is anyone supposed to take your posts seriously on the topic?

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Defending physical abuse and mental abuse (including racial slurs) toward a physically handicapped child to own the Libs.

It is very strange and funny to me that just about everyone defending Miller invokes the sins of an unrelated black athlete, as if people criticizing Miller's behaviour are hypocrites if they don't absolve Miller because a completely unrelated person of colour did something bad in another sport (as if those critiquing Miller would defacto defend Michael Vick's actions or anyone elses on the basis of colour alone). Very telling frankly.

My dogs ears are perked.

I'll be honest with you. I think what Myles Garrett did was motivated by racial hatred.
And what Vick did is really much more serious. In addition you are dishonest since I spoke about Mayfield and Incognito who are white.

As already said, 5 years have passed. It is possible that Miller has already been sanctioned. He had the level of integrating the golden generation of the USDP.

You've only been talking about this for 20 pages.

We all agree that what Miller did was disgusting.

You have no solution to suggest. There is therefore no point in lingering on the subject, all the more so since there is no debate.

All I see right now are selfish people who can't stand being contradicted.

 

[gifted88]

So...any scouting reports or is this just talking about his past mistakes and personal issues?