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Scintillating10 said:
Habs are listening on David Savard - David Pagnotta
"Theyre willing to do it"

Conversation was in relation to Edmonton's need. Ceci may have to come back the other way, which would increase the return.
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Not this again.

Oilers fans have been clear Ceci is fine and they don't see the point in spending assets to upgrade on him.
 
Junohockeyfan said:
There's really no point in trading Savard. He won't garner more than a 2nd round pick IMO and he has more value to the Habs development plans than a 2nd round pick.
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The Habs could almost certainly find a character vet in free agency for a one year deal to replace him.

Even getting a pair of mid round picke would likely be far more beneficial for the Habs longer term rebuild plans than keeping him
 
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Menzinger said:
The Habs could almost certainly find a character vet in free agency for a one year deal to replace him.

Even getting a pair of mid round picke would likely be far more beneficial for the Habs longer term rebuild plans than keeping him
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Nope. He's a great fit on a very young D corps on a young team, the team has plenty of picks in the next couple of drafts, and a lot of young D who need mentors. Solid veterans don't sign 1-year contracts in the summer, signing someone else to a 2 or 3 year contract will be a problem soon enough given Montreal has a lot of young D coming up, and you can never know if a player will be a good fit for the next season. Savard already is a great fit.

My price would be a first and a second, which is likely more than anyone will offer.... and I'm fine with that. If all he's worth is mid-round picks, might as well keep him another year and rent him in a year for whatever. His time showing the incoming kids what it takes to make it at this level is worth it.
 
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Menzinger said:
The Habs could almost certainly find a character vet in free agency for a one year deal to replace him.

Even getting a pair of mid round picke would likely be far more beneficial for the Habs longer term rebuild plans than keeping him
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I doubt it TBH. Montreal's had extra picks for six straight drafts and have 10+ picks in the next two.

Montreal would rather keep Savard than trade him for mid round picks for the same reason Chicago overpaid Foglino instead of shopping him at the deadline - the off ice value is meaningful and finding veterans who are consummate professionals with significant experience and who are willing to play for bad teams and awful usage isn't that easy.

Mid round picks in general aren't worth that much and its really not that hard for rebuilding teams to get those kinds of picks in other ways.

There's also frankly not that many RD available in free agency, and fewer that can fill the kind of role Savard does. Considering most actually want to play on competitive teams, I don't really see the fit.
 
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pth2 said:
Not this again.

Oilers fans have been clear Ceci is fine and they don't see the point in spending assets to upgrade on him.
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Oh, we're very much interested in upgrading Ceci. We just haven't seen much to indicate that Savard is actually an upgrade on Ceci.

People that overpay for Montreal defencemen have a nasty habit of coming to regret it in short order. Particularly since you just said you value him at a 1st and a 2nd and I would personally egg Ken Holland once a day for the rest of his life if he made that deal.

Scintillating10 said:
Savard for Ceci, Oilers first and Holloway?
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You guys cannot possibly be serious with this. Are we on Just for Laughs? Is this a bit?
 
ChaoticOrange said:
You guys cannot possibly be serious with this. Are we on Just for Laughs? Is this a bit?
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Kind of in your favour i called it. Isn't much in it. Oilers first is late in weak draft. Not much value. Holloway isn't top 6. Bottom 6 don't carry ton of value.

Oilers better team but we have the piece you need to get a ring. Plus, we take Ceci a cap dump.
 
Scintillating10 said:
Kind of in your favour i called it. Isn't much in it. Oilers first is late in weak draft. Not much value. Holloway isn't top 6. Bottom 6 don't carry ton of value.

Oilers better team but we have the piece you need to get a ring. Plus, we take Ceci a cap dump.
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Savard is more of a cap dump than Ceci is. Ceci can at least stay healthy.
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ChaoticOrange said:
Somewhat yes. He’s a good third pairing D but he’s blocking Broberg right now. We thought he might be able to play higher in the lineup but he can’t. Just like Chiarot can’t and Edmundson can’t.
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The mistake then was re-signing him, not trading for him as a rental.
 
Menzinger said:
The Habs could almost certainly find a character vet in free agency for a one year deal to replace him.

Even getting a pair of mid round picke would likely be far more beneficial for the Habs longer term rebuild plans than keeping him
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Not worth it at all. Habs get better value in Savard on the ice than mid round picks which we have tons of…
 
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pth2 said:
I think he is worth more as an insulating defensive presence and leader than as a way of acquiring magic beans.

The impact he might have on Mailloux and Reinbacher could be huge. If it means he only fetches a 2nd in a year, so be it.
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We are going to need a veteran presence and i hope it isn’t just going to be Mike Matheson alone.

If we aren’t keeping Savard past this/next year, please find a Letang type player, please?

Homesick said:
Tanev is a far better defenseman and nobody has offered a 1st for him yet. Can't see how Savard gets a 1st plus
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No one has offered a first for Tanev?

Ok…..
 
Scintillating10 said:
You too cheap to get piece you need to win
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For a legitimate top 4 defenceman I'd pay a lot.

For a guy that's 34 in October, that can't stay healthy, who gets speedbagged when he's on the ice, and whose best quality in 2024 is "leadership" which is hockey code for "he's bad, we know he's bad, but we want to gaslight other fanbases into thinking he's not bad" I would pay nothing.
 
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ChaoticOrange said:
For a legitimate top 4 defenceman I'd pay a lot.

For a guy that's 34 in October, that can't stay healthy, who gets speedbagged when he's on the ice, and whose best quality in 2024 is "leadership" which is hockey code for "he's bad, we know he's bad, but we want to gaslight other fanbases into thinking he's not bad" I would pay nothing.
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That's our price, pay it or plan your golf course early.
 
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ChaoticOrange said:
David Savard is not a difference maker of any kind. Hell if we acquire him to play top four minutes we might as well book an April tee time instead of May. The guy is not good. Nothing in his underlying numbers suggests he's good at anything right now.
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Keep in mind, his usage in Montreal is basically being played in all of the worst game situations so the kids don't get cratered constantly, and he's only been moved from the 1st to the 2nd pairing recently, with Guhle taking over as a top pairing player, but it's to be expected his numbers are bad.

That being said, he might just not be a fit if Edmonton is happy (enough) with Ceci. That doesn't make Savard trash, though.
 
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Keep in mind, his usage in Montreal is basically being played in all of the worst game situations so the kids don't get cratered constantly, and he's only been moved from the 1st to the 2nd pairing recently, with Guhle taking over as a top pairing player, but it's to be expected his numbers are bad.

That being said, he might just not be a fit if Edmonton is happy (enough) with Ceci. That doesn't make Savard trash, though.
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He's not trash, but I'm not seeing anything to suggest he's an upgrade on Ceci, and valuing Savard at 1st+Holloway+Ceci is absolute insanity.
 
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ChaoticOrange said:
He's not trash, but I'm not seeing anything to suggest he's an upgrade on Ceci, and valuing Savard at 1st+Holloway+Ceci is absolute insanity.
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I agree, I think the board has been contaminated by how Edmonton fans talked about Ceci for the past couple of years, so he's seen as a pure cap dump with near-negative value, whereas Edmonton fans, at worst, see him as a decent player to be improved upon.

Savard's valuations will be all over the place, though, since it's open for debate if Montreal should even move him, so it isn't a situation where the best offer is likely to be taken.
 
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If you trade Savard, it's to make your team better or find someone younger who replaces him. He's not a superstar but he is highly respected in the locker room and on the ice. His type doesn't grow on trees and I don't see anyone with his attributes available now or this summer. It's always possible but I doubt the Habs trade him.
 
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pth2 said:
I agree, I think the board has been contaminated by how Edmonton fans talked about Ceci for the past couple of years, so he's seen as a pure cap dump with near-negative value, whereas Edmonton fans, at worst, see him as a decent player to be improved upon.

Savard's valuations will be all over the place, though, since it's open for debate if Montreal should even move him, so it isn't a situation where the best offer is likely to be taken.
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That's more or less it.

Ekholm and Bouchard are our top pairing now, they're excellent.
Kulak and Desharnais play extremely well together and have great numbers against opposition. Kulak's likely a cap casualty in the summer with Broberg ready but until then neither are going anywhere.
Nurse has a fat contract and a NMC but he's also a leader on this team and does a lot of things well. Ceci is really the only guy we CAN upgrade on.

Ceci is steady, saws off at around 50% in most of the fancies, defends decently, and has very little offense. He's well liked, well spoken, and a good teammate. He blocks shots, he's decently physical, kills penalties, and doesn't hurt you playing 20 minutes, but he doesn't tilt the ice for you either.

He can play top 4 on a team on the bubble or on a team not as interested in results as they are in development, but he's miscast as a top 4 D on a contender, and Nurse's best results have always come with a puckmover. That's why we want to upgrade Ceci, not because he's junk, and frankly I'd be very surprised if we couldn't some value for him if we traded him.
 
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