Value of: RD David Savard

[bleuetbio]

In fact, youre in trouble in you need a RD. Provorov, Tanev and Larsson shoudl be the target list but after that, I think the best RD on UFA market 23-24 and 24-25 is probably Savard

 

[Pablo El Perro]

1st rounder + prospect for David Savard is crazy. Even if he isn't an expiring. Its still crazy

I think a first could easily happen with a team looking for a veteran d-man for a playoff push. Might be in the minority, but he'd probably be more attractive with an expiring contract

 

[dirtydanglez]

only one retention spot left too. not sure how the habs play that with allen and savard

 

[Mike Dukarm]

The Habs must keep Savard to help our young defense. Matheson and Savard are two veterans who will be essential to the development of our young defensemen.

The only reason to trade Savard is if the other GMs overpay for him.

 

[malcb33]

No we not moving Savard cheap.

My man, you can give your opinion but neither of us have any power to make the trade or not. You seem to think you’re personally involved here.

 

[Captain97]

My man, you can give your opinion but neither of us have any power to make the trade or not. You seem to think you’re personally involved here.

The Habs GM literally came out and said they are not shopping Savard. Savard is happy to stay with the Habs. But given a high enough price anyone is available.

The poster is correct, Savard is moving for anything less than something the other teams fans will be mad about.

 

[ottawa]

who would like David Savard? No need for presentation. He’s still good.

Contract is 3,5m$/year for another year. We want to retain to maximize value.

Habs should keep him this year as he brings much needed experience, trade him next year at 50% instead.

 

[The Great Weal]

only one retention spot left too. not sure how the habs play that with allen and savard

Well Allen sucks and Savard is good so I don't really see what there is to think about.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

What’s your best offer?

Dude’s a Blues fan. We need to do a lot better than Savard. Pass. No offer.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Agreed. He’s a guy whose value varies drastically depending on retention imo. At full cap right now, he’s a slightly overpaid veteran #5 with playoff experience. The extra year makes it hard for a contender to fit him in. It’s hard to see him getting more than like a 3rd or 4th. At 50% retention, he’s now bargain, and exactly the kind of guy a contender would want considering they’d get him for a year and a half. A 1st suddenly doesn’t seem unreasonable.



Hard pass. It’s debatable if he’s an upgrade on Ceci, and I’d argue no. What does he accomplish for us? We need a guy like Tanev who can play on the top pairing with Nurse if we’re getting a dman



No, he’s making an obvious comparison to discuss his value which is what the thread is about

The top pairing is Ekholm-Bouchard, but that’s beside the point

 

[Maitz]

Heard so many times on the radio, players interviews that Savard is the best leader on the team, that he is really important for the young dmen in the club. I would wait 1 more year before trading him, he will still be the same dman next year. This team is full of young players, they need good veterans.

 

[HuGort]

I don’t think you need a j fresh card to realize a 33 year old Savard is a declining player. That’s just how it goes.

I can see him improving and being somewhat useful in the right situation on a 3rd pairing, sure. I don’t believe that warrants a 1st though

I also readily admit that NHL GMs probably value him higher because GMs love certain traits for the playoffs and I guess he has them (nice beard, blocks shots)

Montreal values him high because of leadership and experience for our young D. Going to take overpayment to get him out of Montreal. I don't know why people keep posting Savard not worth our ask. We admit that, but we need him for leadership also.
It's according to how high a GM will pay for him. Savard has a cheap contract. Montreal more than willing to hang onto him for another year.

 

[ole ole]

I’m sure his value is greater than his actual on-ice play warrants. I can see some GM paying something for him because he has this perceived value going back to his Columbus days. And he’s Right handed, that’s like the best thing going for him. But man, he’s straight up not good. I guess he could be a bottom pair penalty killer on a contender, but they could probably just promote someone from their AHL team and get the same results.

If I’m Montreal I’d be pleased with a 3rd round pick. They would actually be a better team if they simply didn’t play him every night. But you know, he’s a leader or role model or something something

Quite a long speech just to say you don't watch him.

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

That.... Seems fast.

Season in Switzerland end by first week of march i think. His team
Is looking at relegation so no playoffs

 

[pman25]

Quite a long speech just to say you don't watch him.

Anytime I do watch him, I’m seeing the habs get scored on 4 or 5 times. With Jake Allen doing his best to bail out the awful defense in front of him

Habs have a league leading 198 goals against and the 2nd worst penalty kill. At least Savard is there to keep that from getting worse!

 

[MXD]

Anytime I do watch him, I’m seeing the habs get scored on 4 or 5 times. With Jake Allen doing his best to bail out the awful defense in front of him

Habs have a league leading 198 goals against and the 2nd worst penalty kill. At least Savard is there to keep that from getting worse!

I don't know why you persist.

 

[MXD]

This said... The only situation where I could (that's the key word) see the Habs getting a 1st rounder, or equivalent, would involve them retaining 50%. And that's, frankly, also the only situation in which he should be traded, because the Habs have something else to do with that lone retention spot they have left for this season, and that's trying to get rid of Jake Allen, because there's still plenty of uses of Savard next season, and there's no use for Jake Allen since November or so.

 

[malcb33]

The Habs GM literally came out and said they are not shopping Savard. Savard is happy to stay with the Habs. But given a high enough price anyone is available.

The poster is correct, Savard is moving for anything less than something the other teams fans will be mad about.

Sure, and if you go back I said they weren't going to give him away either. Trading a high-end prospect or a late 1st is the price I assume they would let him go with some retention. I don't believe it would take another solid asset on top of that like the poster said, but that is my opinion.

Just to be clear- Unless Hughes came out and publicly stated his price for Savard (which I don't believe has happened) no one is "correct" on the price of Savard because no one here has intimate knowledge of the inside circles of the GMs.

Some of us seem to take it a little too far though and are invested to the point they think they're personally making the deal.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Consider this: Ottawa has better young talent than Montreal, but have clearly been struggling to take that next step, and are now looking for good pros, veterans to help bring the kids along. We have such a player in Savard... why let him go ?

I mean, moving veterans for futures makes sense to a certain extent, but there is no reason to sell off every last one of them, and we can't only keep the anchor contracts, they aren't the pros we want kids to model themselves after.

Nobody knows whats going on in Ottawa you cant sit here and tell me if they had someone like Savard it they would be better because they have Giroux whos probably even more respected then David and they still ass

but they could probably just promote someone from their AHL team and get the same results.

If I’m Montreal I’d be pleased with a 3rd round pick. They would actually be a better team if they simply didn’t play him every night. But you know, he’s a leader or role model or something something

your obviously clueless or trolling at this point

 

[McJedi]

Here is a deal I'd do.

Savard (50%) retained + Jake Evans + Cayden Primeau (G)

Ryan Johansen + Avs 2024 1st + Oskar Olausson.

Avs get a cheap, decent sized, low level RHD for their bottom pair/PK and the move off RyJo. They get a 4C they don't have. Get a backup G to compete for ice time.

Habs get the 1st round pick they crave so desperately + a 2021 1st round pick RW that scores goals in the AHL + a bottom six C that can't skate a lick.

Toews - Makar
Byram - Manson
Girard - Savard/Malinski

Avs have a solid rotation for the playoffs with the right mix of L/R shots. Still no 2C, but set at 4C and move backup G options.

 

[CTHabsfan]

Here is a deal I'd do.

Savard (50%) retained + Jake Evans + Cayden Primeau (G)

Ryan Johansen + Avs 2024 1st + Oskar Olausson.

Avs get a cheap, decent sized, low level RHD for their bottom pair/PK and the move off RyJo. They get a 4C they don't have. Get a backup G to compete for ice time.

Habs get the 1st round pick they crave so desperately + a 2021 1st round pick RW that scores goals in the AHL + a bottom six C that can't skate a lick.

Toews - Makar
Byram - Manson
Girard - Savard/Malinski

Avs have a solid rotation for the playoffs with the right mix of L/R shots. Still no 2C, but set at 4C and move backup G options.

Take the retention, Evans, Primeau, Johansen, and Olausson out of the deal and it would be a trade I'd do. If the Avs want a goalie from Montreal they can have Allen at 50% retained.

 

[Kosseca]

I wouldn't even be surprised to see him extended next season, rather than traded. If he's ok with taking on a lesser role and acting more and more like a half-coach, half-player, the D could definitely use him.

Management didn't use a 5th overall on Reinbacher just to throw him to the wolves with a bunch of other young D who can't really help him out.

I would go as far as to say that people trying to compare his value this TDL vs next year's TDL are not looking at the bigger picture. If KH was serious when he said that next year he want the team to compete for a playoff spot, then his value next year is irrelevant as you don't trade that kind of D in a playoff race or when you heading into the playoff.

So the only question to asked here is: does another team is willing to overpay to get him? and the answer is most likely not.

 

[CDN24]

Here is a deal I'd do.

Savard (50%) retained + Jake Evans + Cayden Primeau (G)

Ryan Johansen + Avs 2024 1st + Oskar Olausson.

Avs get a cheap, decent sized, low level RHD for their bottom pair/PK and the move off RyJo. They get a 4C they don't have. Get a backup G to compete for ice time.

Habs get the 1st round pick they crave so desperately + a 2021 1st round pick RW that scores goals in the AHL + a bottom six C that can't skate a lick.

Toews - Makar
Byram - Manson
Girard - Savard/Malinski

Avs have a solid rotation for the playoffs with the right mix of L/R shots. Still no 2C, but set at 4C and move backup G options.

Replace Primeau with Allen and use the retention on Allen (marginally higher salary) remove Olausson and I would do it.

 

[McJedi]

Replace Primeau with Allen and use the retention on Allen (marginally higher salary) remove Olausson and I would do it.

You’re suggesting Evans + Allen (50%) + Savard (no retention). for 2024 1st + RyJo.

Frankly, I don’t think Habs would touch that. It sucks for them. Unless the expectation is that Savard is very overpaid and we prescribe no value to him with zero retention.

Take the retention, Evans, Primeau, Johansen, and Olausson out of the deal and it would be a trade I'd do. If the Avs want a goalie from Montreal they can have Allen at 50% retained.

No thanks. A 1st for Jake Allen? He sucks. 89.4% save % is not what the Avs need to be blowing a 1st round pick on. Zero interest in that contract. Would spend the 2024 1st on a C well before I’d waste it on Allen. Allen is either washed or having a very bad season. Either way, that’s the last thing the Avs need.

I’d much rather trade an Olausson or Behrens for a different goalie that’s a backup elsewhere, cheaper and on an expiring deal.

 

[CDN24]

You’re suggesting Evans + Allen (50%) + Savard (no retention). for 2024 1st + RyJo.

Frankly, I don’t think Habs would touch that. It sucks for them.


No thanks. A 1st for Jake Allen? He sucks. 89.4% save % is not what the Avs need to be blowing a 1st round pick on. Zero interest in that contract. Would spend the 2024 1st on a C well before I’d waste it on Allen.

I’d much rather trade an Olausson or Behrens for a different goalie that’s a backup elsewhere, cheaper and on an expiring deal.

Maybe take Evans out too but really it does do a couple things for the Habs, it clears up the extra goalie problem and gets a 1st for Savard. Habs have enough middle of the road picks and prospects so you want to use that last retention spot to get a 1st, you want to move Allen and Savard needs to be in any deal to get you a 1st. This accomplishes all those things. RyJo replaces Evans next year and by the following year Beck becomes that centre- not sure there is a spot for Evans long term anyway. Habs looking for quality over quantity in terms of return at this stage.