RD Bode Wilde (2018, 41st, NYI)

[93LEAFS]

Ceci and Del Zotto used to do that kind of thing. Can he play d?

Depends on the night. I wouldn't call him consistent, and he can have some Jake Gardiner-esque misreads.

 

[Breakers]

Cecconi should probably sign his deal with Dallas.

Quinn Hughes and Bode Wilde together will have the potential to be one of if not the best tandems in the entire NCAA.

 

[Whalers Fan]

Anyone who doubts Wilde's poor defensive play should have been at tonight's NTDP game versus Madison. After about 23 minutes he had committed three major defensive screw-ups, one of which resulted in a Capitols goal. He has a lot of work to do on the defensive part of his game.

 

[LastWordArmy]

Our scouting report

Bode Wilde Scouting Report: 2018 NHL Draft #15 - Last Word on Hockey

 

[M2Beezy]

Anyone who doubts Wilde's poor defensive play should have been at tonight's NTDP game versus Madison. After about 23 minutes he had committed three major defensive screw-ups, one of which resulted in a Capitols goal. He has a lot of work to do on the defensive part of his game.

Hmmm thanks for the report back. Probably late teens early 20s by the way it sounds hes going this days

 

[sharknado]

Our scouting report

Bode Wilde Scouting Report: 2018 NHL Draft #15 - Last Word on Hockey

If he needs that much help in his defensive play, then what is the big deal about him? What has he been doing all these years as a Dman that never improved his defensive play? Every kid out there has potential and there are many kids out there that are less of a liability in the Dzone and just as fast with a hard shot that have not yet reached their full potential. BTW, I would make this same arguement for every prospect because I keep hearing that "kid AB" is getting drafted but has a lot to work on......" Why draft someone that has a lot to work on when undrafted players have less to work on?

 

[LastWordArmy]

If he needs that much help in his defensive play, then what is the big deal about him? What has he been doing all these years as a Dman that never improved his defensive play? Every kid out there has potential and there are many kids out there that are less of a liability in the Dzone and just as fast with a hard shot that have not yet reached their full potential. BTW, I would make this same arguement for every prospect because I keep hearing that "kid AB" is getting drafted but has a lot to work on......" Why draft someone that has a lot to work on when undrafted players have less to work on?

Every player in the draft has stuff to work on. Every single one, including players who are NHL ready like Rasmus Dahlin.

The perfect player does not exist.

Teams should base drafting on the upside of a player 3-5 years from now, not what a player is today.

Certain things can be coached in a player, if they have the will to work at it. Others can't. Its hard to teach offense, but if a player has skating skill, and a good body, teaching defense is easier.

 

[LastWordArmy]

Hmmm thanks for the report back. Probably late teens early 20s by the way it sounds hes going this days

The Under 18 will be huge for him, and likely bring some more clarity to that ranking.

 

[93LEAFS]

Every player in the draft has stuff to work on. Every single one, including players who are NHL ready like Rasmus Dahlin.

The perfect player does not exist.

Teams should base drafting on the upside of a player 3-5 years from now, not what a player is today.

Certain things can be coached in a player, if they have the will to work at it. Others can't. Its hard to teach offense, but if a player has skating skill, and a good body, teaching defense is easier.

Certain aspects of defensive play are as hard to teach as offensive play. For example, trying to change how good someone is at maintaining a proper gap and when to be aggressive are as tough as altering an offensive players vision or positioning (in regards to hockey IQ). Now, you can fix guys who tend to puck watch and play too aggressively taking the puck out the zone instead of making the simple play.

 

[sharknado]

Every player in the draft has stuff to work on. Every single one, including players who are NHL ready like Rasmus Dahlin.

The perfect player does not exist.

Teams should base drafting on the upside of a player 3-5 years from now, not what a player is today.

Certain things can be coached in a player, if they have the will to work at it. Others can't. Its hard to teach offense, but if a player has skating skill, and a good body, teaching defense is easier.

Thanks. Not looking or judging any kid to be perfect. Just curious as to why scouts/evaluators think some kids have more potential than others since it's mostly guessing & assuming.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Every kid out there has potential and there are many kids out there that are less of a liability in the Dzone and just as fast with a hard shot that have not yet reached their full potential.

So you think these teams are trying to intentionally sabotage their own interests? Maybe he has a friend on the management staff of all 31 teams?

 

[sharknado]

So you think these teams are trying to intentionally sabotage their own interests? Maybe he has a friend on the management staff of all 31 teams?

Heck no, not at all but I do think that agents who are more connected than others have some kind of influence and are better marketers than others. In any case, all I asked was how any player can be ranked in the 1st round with so many cons vs other kids with less cons. Not related to this kid, just a question in general.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Heck no, not at all but I do think that agents who are more connected than others have some kind of influence and are better marketers than others.

Wilde is 6'2, 200 pounds, is a very good skater, can pass the puck, and puts the puck in the net. You don't find many defensemen who can do that. There aren't any, besides Dahlin, who are of similar size and skating who are anywhere near as good offensively.

 

[LastWordArmy]

Thanks. Not looking or judging any kid to be perfect. Just curious as to why scouts/evaluators think some kids have more potential than others since it's mostly guessing & assuming.

It isn't an exact science by any means, but it isn't just guessing or assuming either.

There is a lot that goes into scouting a player, and seeing if he has skills that will translate or not.

Wilde's package of size, skating, shot, passing... he has a lot of the tools that teams are looking for.

 

[sharknado]

It isn't an exact science by any means, but it isn't just guessing or assuming either.

There is a lot that goes into scouting a player, and seeing if he has skills that will translate or not.

Wilde's package of size, skating, shot, passing... he has a lot of the tools that teams are looking for.

Maybe I should have started a new thread about this because my posts are really not aimed specifically to this kid.

Seeing that there are more 1st rounds busts than success stories, I personally, I think a better indicator is drafting a kid much later (like as of age 22) since what you see at that age is more of reality of what you will be getting.

 

[LastWordArmy]

Maybe I should have started a new thread about this because my posts are really not aimed specifically to this kid.

Seeing that there are more 1st rounds busts than success stories, I personally, I think a better indicator is drafting a kid much later (like as of age 22) since what you see at that age is more of reality of what you will be getting.

Most 22 year olds are at the age where they are not eligible for the draft, they are free agents.

And teams sign these free agents all the time.

And as bad as the bust rate is for 1st rounders... its much, much worse for undrafted college free agents and european pros, and unsigned CHL players.

Tyler Johnson (CHL), Tyler Bozak (College), Artemi Panarin (Europe).... those are basically your three best current players who were undrafted free agents. And that might seem good..... but there are so many busts, and so few players of that calibre, vs drafted players.

 

[Spectra]

Would be cool if the Hawks manage to draft him with the NAS pick after selecting Hughes with their own.

 

[Ola]

I need to watch Wilde in the U18, haven’t seen enough of him yet.

But many label a D a great skater if he is good at transporting the puck up ice. To have a good gap control, play good defense, it’s just about something completely else. Not even sure if they even can be described as related. It’s like comparing running 100 meters with dancing balette...

Seriously though, the big concern I have with Wilde is his quickness defensively. His foot speed, lateral movement. But — the kid is still really young. I think he is one of the harder kids to rank. It’s not at all unusual that kid develop his skating a lot after getting drafted. Slims down on body fat and just becomes more explosive. If Wilde does that he can make you look stupid.

It’s the same with a kid like Kupari. I am not that high on him. But if he improves his skating a lot and really finds another gear physically, becomes more explosive — he could become one of the better players in the draft. If not, he might find himself with a pretty brief NHL career. The marginals are not big.

 

[Mrb1p]

I need to watch Wilde in the U18, haven’t seen enough of him yet.

But many label a D a great skater if he is good at transporting the puck up ice. To have a good gap control, play good defense, it’s just about something completely else. Not even sure if they even can be described as related. It’s like comparing running 100 meters with dancing balette...

Seriously though, the big concern I have with Wilde is his quickness defensively. His foot speed, lateral movement. But — the kid is still really young. I think he is one of the harder kids to rank. It’s not at all unusual that kid develop his skating a lot after getting drafted. Slims down on body fat and just becomes more explosive. If Wilde does that he can make you look stupid.

It’s the same with a kid like Kupari. I am not that high on him. But if he improves his skating a lot and really finds another gear physically, becomes more explosive — he could become one of the better players in the draft. If not, he might find himself with a pretty brief NHL career. The marginals are not big.

Wait a minute.

Are you calling two of the very best undrafted skaters... bad skaters? Kupari is not explosive? What am I reading.

 

[FrankGallagher]

One of those guys whose hockey IQ is terrible just because his decision making is so bad. Actually has some decent creativity on top of great physical tools, but his risk management is awful and defensively looks lost sometimes

 

[Mrb1p]

One of those guys whose hockey IQ is terrible just because his decision making is so bad. Actually has some decent creativity on top of great physical tools, but his risk management is awful and defensively looks lost sometimes

And sometimes he looks great. I heard Subban and Karlsson IQ are terrible.

 

[FrankGallagher]

And sometimes he looks great. I heard Subban and Karlsson IQ are terrible.

Not equivalent at all. While talented he doesn't project to be even in the same world as those two. On top of that hughes is a guy with more of a subban/karlsson risk taker mentality. Wilde makes too many stupid low probability plays that even if they do work out aren't scoring plays. No problem with risks that can create dangerous chances, his IQ is poor because he makes high risk low reward plays too often

 

[Mrb1p]

Not equivalent at all. While talented he doesn't project to be even in the same world as those two. On top of that hughes is a guy with more of a subban/karlsson risk taker mentality. Wilde makes too many stupid low probability plays that even if they do work out aren't scoring plays. No problem with risks that can create dangerous chances, his IQ is poor because he makes high risk low reward plays too often

Uno, Hughes doesnt play the game like Subban or EK at all. Dos, its not about what they look like now, its about how theyll play in the big league. Wildes risk taking and his ability to defend when his team needs it is reminescent of AHL/OHL Subban. He doesnt lose his man as often as youd like to think, he does however pinch too often and at bad times, he does try to play too aggressively in the Dzone and the neutral. Those are not kinks in his "IQ" (such a bad and overused term BTW), theyre problems in his play style. Happens with kids who were always the best in their leagues and doesnt mean it cannoy be ironed out.

 

[FrankGallagher]

Uno, Hughes doesnt play the game like Subban or EK at all. Dos, its not about what they look like now, its about how theyll play in the big league. Wildes risk taking and his ability to defend when his team needs it is reminescent of AHL/OHL Subban. He doesnt lose his man as often as youd like to think, he does however pinch too often and at bad times, he does try to play too aggressively in the Dzone and the neutral. Those are not kinks in his "IQ" (such a bad and overused term BTW), theyre problems in his play style. Happens with kids who were always the best in their leagues and doesnt mean it cannoy be ironed out.

I think he has the similar ability to quarterback an offence at even strength, questions about how he translates to the NHL are fair though. I do agree IQ is a bit of a broad and ambiguous thing, I think decision making is a big part of it though and thats an area I do not like in Wilde's game. Wilde has all the talent to prove me wrong, just skeptical of whether he can put it together

 

[Mrb1p]

I think he has the similar ability to quarterback an offence at even strength, questions about how he translates to the NHL are fair though. I do agree IQ is a bit of a broad and ambiguous thing, I think decision making is a big part of it though and thats an area I do not like in Wilde's game. Wilde has all the talent to prove me wrong, just skeptical of whether he can put it together

What irks me even more is that you just mentionned yourself that he was creative. (And that, he is.)... isnt that IQ related?