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RD Adam Fox (2016, 66th, CGY; traded to CAR; traded to NYR)

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Rangers got a great player, but didn't maximize their value. Carolina had almost zero leverage and would have lost him for nothing. If he was signed, he's probably worth a first round pick, so can't complain if you're a rangers fan. Giving up likely two 2nds when you had a very good chance of getting him for free is poor asset management. If anyone has a logical explanation, I'd love to hear it. From everything I heard, he wanted to sign with the Rangers and even though he might have considered Devils or Islanders, it was the Rangers to lose. Carolina did very well for themselves based on the situation they were in.
 
HockeyMind9 said:
Rangers got a great player, but didn't maximize their value. Carolina had almost zero leverage and would have lost him for nothing. If he was signed, he's probably worth a first round pick, so can't complain if you're a rangers fan. Giving up likely two 2nds when you had a very good chance of getting him for free is poor asset management. If anyone has a logical explanation, I'd love to hear it. From everything I heard, he wanted to sign with the Rangers and even though he might have considered Devils or Islanders, it was the Rangers to lose. Carolina did very well for themselves based on the situation they were in.
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As I understand it, if he signed a year later his ELC would have been for two years instead of three if he signs now, so the advantage is to have him for cheap for one more year.
 
HockeyMind9 said:
Rangers got a great player, but didn't maximize their value. Carolina had almost zero leverage and would have lost him for nothing. If he was signed, he's probably worth a first round pick, so can't complain if you're a rangers fan. Giving up likely two 2nds when you had a very good chance of getting him for free is poor asset management. If anyone has a logical explanation, I'd love to hear it. From everything I heard, he wanted to sign with the Rangers and even though he might have considered Devils or Islanders, it was the Rangers to lose. Carolina did very well for themselves based on the situation they were in.
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They didnt want him to waste another year of development in the NCAA. There's your logical explanation.
 
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HockeyMind9 said:
Rangers got a great player, but didn't maximize their value. Carolina had almost zero leverage and would have lost him for nothing. If he was signed, he's probably worth a first round pick, so can't complain if you're a rangers fan. Giving up likely two 2nds when you had a very good chance of getting him for free is poor asset management. If anyone has a logical explanation, I'd love to hear it. From everything I heard, he wanted to sign with the Rangers and even though he might have considered Devils or Islanders, it was the Rangers to lose. Carolina did very well for themselves based on the situation they were in.
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1.) The Rangers get him out of college a year earlier than if they signed him as UFA. Better for his development.
2.) 15 months is a long time for a college kid. I made this comparison before, but I'm sure if you asked Vesey in April 2015 where he'd sign, he'd have told you Boston. Fast forward to August 16 and he signs with the Rangers.
3.) Carolina had plenty of leverage for 3 reasons. a.) They were under no obligation to trade him right now when they've got another 15 months before he went to UFA. b.) They were under no obligation to trade him to the Rangers. c.) Other teams were surely interested.
4.) The Rangers 2nd this year was one of 5 picks they had in the top-60. They could easily afford to give up one for a player like Fox. The 3rd is nothing and if he's really NHL ready enough to play 30 games this year, moving that pick up a round is worth it. They moved from a position of strength.

Carolina did do very well for an unsigned college prospect, but the Rangers did really well here too. Win-win.
 
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HockeyMind9 said:
Rangers got a great player, but didn't maximize their value. Carolina had almost zero leverage and would have lost him for nothing. If he was signed, he's probably worth a first round pick, so can't complain if you're a rangers fan. Giving up likely two 2nds when you had a very good chance of getting him for free is poor asset management. If anyone has a logical explanation, I'd love to hear it. From everything I heard, he wanted to sign with the Rangers and even though he might have considered Devils or Islanders, it was the Rangers to lose. Carolina did very well for themselves based on the situation they were in.
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Wasting 15 months of crucial development time when Fox has shown he has nothing left to prove at the NCAA level is also not ideal. You get him now. You get him in your system now. You don't have to worry about competition from other teams if he becomes a UFA.

The Rangers already have one of the best prospect pools in the NHL and had 5 picks in the top 62 in this years draft.
 
HockeyMind9 said:
Rangers got a great player, but didn't maximize their value. Carolina had almost zero leverage and would have lost him for nothing. If he was signed, he's probably worth a first round pick, so can't complain if you're a rangers fan. Giving up likely two 2nds when you had a very good chance of getting him for free is poor asset management. If anyone has a logical explanation, I'd love to hear it. From everything I heard, he wanted to sign with the Rangers and even though he might have considered Devils or Islanders, it was the Rangers to lose. Carolina did very well for themselves based on the situation they were in.
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If we waited a year, there's a possibility Fox decides to test the market rather than just agreeing to play for his favorite team. His best friends - Bracco, Milano, Keller and Mcavoy. It's possible he's convinced to join one of those teams by a friend should the choice end up with him next year. Would be nice if we didn't have to offer 2 potential 2nds and had a better idea of what our defense would be, but I think it was a good GM building relationship here. We paid more than we wanted. They received less than they wanted. Unless Fox ends up busting, both teams did well.
 
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Rangers got a great player, but didn't maximize their value. Carolina had almost zero leverage and would have lost him for nothing. If he was signed, he's probably worth a first round pick, so can't complain if you're a rangers fan. Giving up likely two 2nds when you had a very good chance of getting him for free is poor asset management. If anyone has a logical explanation, I'd love to hear it. From everything I heard, he wanted to sign with the Rangers and even though he might have considered Devils or Islanders, it was the Rangers to lose. Carolina did very well for themselves based on the situation they were in.
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He could’ve always changed his mind. A year is a long time to rethink his decision in signing with the Rangers so why not just grab him now. It’s not like we need the picks. Call it bad asset management or whatever but all Ranger fans are happy with this move. Fox is a top prospect and technically we still did get him cheap. Why risk it and wait, Fox wants to be a Ranger as of now so let’s make him a Ranger before he changes his mind. If we didn’t trade for Fox and he signed somewhere else next summer Ranger fans would be at Gorton’s throat for not trading for him while he wanted to be a Ranger. Canes got a good return and the Rangers got Fox, both sides are very happy
 
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HockeyMind9 said:
Rangers got a great player, but didn't maximize their value. Carolina had almost zero leverage and would have lost him for nothing. If he was signed, he's probably worth a first round pick, so can't complain if you're a rangers fan. Giving up likely two 2nds when you had a very good chance of getting him for free is poor asset management. If anyone has a logical explanation, I'd love to hear it. From everything I heard, he wanted to sign with the Rangers and even though he might have considered Devils or Islanders, it was the Rangers to lose. Carolina did very well for themselves based on the situation they were in.
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If the Rangers were to maximize value, they also are to take the chance that Fox isn't swayed by Carolina to sign or he picks NYR in free agency. There's risk involved there. I'm usually very critical of Gorton, but I don't think this is a high price. We can easily make sure the condition isn't met, and its a 3rd instead of second. We have not drafted well in those rounds, and its unlikely that we'd draft any player in those rounds who turns into an impact defensemen, like Fox could be. The team doesn't need quantity in prospects. We need quality. Fox has top four potential. Its not a big price to pay.
 
This trade benefits both teams given the circumstances.

NYR get a very promising prospect whose market value would have been far greater than what they paid and Carolina gets a solid return given the circumstances.

It’s likely Fox would have signed with NYR in a year anyway but waiting had risks and if you can spend $10 to make $15 you do so.
 
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Thanks for all the really solid responses! I stand corrected. For some reason I was thinking he was already done and didn't have another year. Definitely makes sense to get the extra year (both contract and development) and certainty right away. Sounds like a win-win. Looking forward to seeing how NYR rebuild turns out! Lots of very exciting players at all positions.
 
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Skinnyjimmy08 said:
How is this kids attitude? Honestly i know zero about him but whenever i see situations like this happen it always leaves a sour taste in my mouth unfortunately... And by no means i am suggesting he has a bad attitude, i am completely curious

But on the flipside, good on him telling teams he has no interest in signing with them.
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I said this in the trade post about Fox, but I'll say it again here.

We are fans, they are professionals who need to think about what is best in their situation. Not many hockey players can chose where they will work.
When it comes to money and your future and the ability to make money you need to put away your fandom.
The fact that people believe he would have denied playing for the Islanders if they offered a better opportunity for him right now and in the future just tells me how much people are removed from the idea that being a hockey player is an actual job and not a video game.

I hate the Islanders, but if I was a hockey player I'd have no qualms about taking their money and becoming the mercenary they seek. This isn't a novel idea.
Sure you have exceptions (Lindros) , but more often than not, you are happy an NHL team comes knocking at your door regardless of who it is.
Then you factor in everything else and decisions will be made.

Fox would have been buried in the Canes farm system due to a huge backstop in their D pipeline. In New York, all he has to do is show up, be a grown up and just play hockey the way he's known to do.
 
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5cotland said:
Im still unsure how Makar won it tbh. Fox had the best PPG in the league and for a dman, that is pretty phenomenal.
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And he had freaking 17 points over the second best on his team while being a D man. Incredible. I can’t wait to see how he perform on the big stage. I wouldn’t be surprised if he ended up like Leetch.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
If the Rangers were to maximize value, they also are to take the chance that Fox isn't swayed by Carolina to sign or he picks NYR in free agency. There's risk involved there. I'm usually very critical of Gorton, but I don't think this is a high price. We can easily make sure the condition isn't met, and its a 3rd instead of second. We have not drafted well in those rounds, and its unlikely that we'd draft any player in those rounds who turns into an impact defensemen, like Fox could be. The team doesn't need quantity in prospects. We need quality. Fox has top four potential. Its not a big price to pay.
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I would be surprised if he didn't play enough to trigger the condition.
 
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Im still unsure how Makar won it tbh. Fox had the best PPG in the league and for a dman, that is pretty phenomenal.
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To be fair, an argument could be made that without Makar UMass might not even make the Hockey East playoffs. He single handidly brought them to the national championship. And put up fantastic numbers in a tougher conference than Fox
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
Why is that? He’s not getting into the current team on the right side.
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I think the price they were willing to pay is an indication that they want him now. And looking at how players like Quinn and Makar have jumped from college QB to NHL at younger ages is a positive sign for Fox's skillset and development.

If Babcock were the coach I'd view the loaded right side as more of a barrier. Between the Fox's price, skillset, and injuries I think the Rangers will find a way to let him play.
 
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I think the price they were willing to pay is an indication that they want him now. And looking at how players like Quinn and Makar have jumped from college QB to NHL at younger ages is a positive sign for Fox's skillset and development.

If Babcock were the coach I'd view the loaded right side as more of a barrier. Between the Fox's price, skillset, and injuries I think the Rangers will find a way to let him play.
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The only way is getting rid of Shattenkirk by trade or buyout. It's highly unlikely that Pionk is the odd man out and they go with three OFD on the right side with Shattenkirk, DeAngelo and Fox. Some have speculated that Pionk is the odd man out, but the only way I see that happening is if the team acquires Trouba or a top 4 RHD with at least an average defensive profile. DeAngelo has a spot as an OFD. Its a tough fit to get Fox into the team immediately. He'll likely play some games next season, but unless he is that much better than all the other defensemen or there are significant changes to the current alignment on the right side, Fox probably won't reach the 30 games.
 
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